@SP: Not so much a fight as a 'hey, whip it out and try smack me around' <.<; Id think about those odds if I was 30ft away from him like in the game =/ just react when he moves his arm aka aim dodging. Shouldn't be that hard from that distance.
Official coil size = less then an inch. IF it increases in size with whip size (..it wouldn't) = 8ish inches. What? Majora aims when he releases it.
Ahh so he doesnt use the trident in his fights because he wants to sabotage himself? And before you bring it up him turning it into two swords is 'your' theory. Just a spear he/it uses.
No. Once again. Unquantifiable speed. Remember that. Its charged (without the trident) with electricity, really really plain to see that.
@Moo: While its nice to think about what Majory may or may not have don't I'd rather go from what we can see. Which is a straightforward strikes.
Its punishment for incest ¬__¬
@SP: Not so much a fight as a 'hey, whip it out and try smack me around' <.<; Id think about those odds if I was 30ft away from him like in the game =/ just react when he moves his arm aka aim dodging. Shouldn't be that hard from that distance.
Its charged (without the trident) with electricity, really really plain to see that
Its punishment for incest ¬__¬
...WAT!?
@SP: Take it you agree with the whip and unquant... points.
Maybe for someone who's shown the capability to bend it like that but Majora hasn't. Its wide whips or straight ones. You guys are putting things in that arent there..
Didnt get that either >> He doesnt use the trident to use the OoT attack so it cant be classed as the same move he did with the trident.
@Moo: That mechanic doesn't compare to the attack moves. The bullet has a reason for its speed, there isn't a reason to assume he's whipping the way you guys think as we can only go by what we see.
Eternal Sword?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Occam's Razor. 131
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I saw that. He slapped the Occam's Razor argument back in your face pretty nicely.
No one here knows how to use Occam's Razor do they?
Let me get this straight, are you using Occam's Razor to say that Link must have dodged super sonic whips because it is the simpler explanation?
Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to refute Occam's Razor against your lightning ball. Here's a heads up, calling my theory convoluted is not a refutation.
Or are we agreed it isn't lightning fast?
Originally posted by TacDaveySo he can jump off a cliff, how do you expect this to win him the thread?
Stop dodging the subject. I gave feats for Lloyd a few pages back, and near the beginning of the thread.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelEh, regardless it's not an issue, at most he could have hit terminal velocity which isn't a lot. Link would still one shot him.
Scream, he did give feats. Not especially good feats but give them he did. Though I would like a video of the cliff jumping if Tac would ever be so kind as to supply it. :3
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I liken myself unto a dog. I do the tricks my trainer asks me to do and in return all I ask for is acknowledgement. Instead I get inferior logic and a bunch of noise that makes me want to bark at everyone I see and then piss on them. I'm sorry, where was I? Oh yeah. Prove that Volt killing that fox thing was impressive and that I should care. And actually Volt hit them with some kind of energy wave and sent them flying. And you asked me to show you why I think Link's movement speed is better and I did by using two cutscenes. I never claimed either could move at super quick speeds did I?
Again, that is not the point. The point is that the lightning electrocuted and killed someone once it made contact and Lloyd successfully deflected it without any kind of trouble whatsoever. That IS the feat. So Volt wanted to attack them with lightning but it ended attacking them with a wave of energy? That's why... we can see several lightning bolts and thunders... right? Yep, that makes sense. I never said you claimed that they could move at super-speed, did I? I simply said none ran at super-speed, so it proves nothing. Link running on that bridge was totally unimpressive, Lloyd quickly getting in the middle of an attack to protect someone was less unimpressive (cause he did something useful afterwards). How fast is Link to move his limbs, then swing his sword and deflect a lightning bolt? Oh wait, he can't.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Oh yeah I forgot. We can't apply Link's increased strength from the guantlets in battle because he never tried to cut the **** out of a sword. Myyyyyy Baddddd. awesome
No, because the gautlets aren't made for that purpose. They are made to LIFT heavy things, it is stated. You are adding stuff that is not anywhere present, my friend. So Link can slash through rocks, but he never tried? Nice piece of evidence you've got thar. He hasn't shown to be capable of. That's like saying I never tried to break a monster truck with a punch, but hey! That doesn't mean I can't, I can, but I never tried!
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
His weak point is allegedly those arrows and that sword. And why would it need any other feats when the one it has is better than Volt's? Just because you have to do it to beat the boss doesn't make the attack weak.Prove to me the Lloyd can block an attack from Link. Otherwise this thread has no point. I have supported all my claims with at least something and you try to refute them with piss poor logic. I'm reminded of something a wise man once said. How you need heavy shoes to throw heavy things. Who chooses to travel around the Pokemon world and defeat Team Rocket and challenge the Pokemon Gyms and ultimately the Elite 4?
Did I said they were weak? No. I believe you say they were stronger. Those energy balls can trap, electrocute and kill someone? They can blow away several characters at once with ease? Other than stunning its own caster for a few seconds (not receiving damage), what are its destructive feats that makes them so OMGWTF powerful?
I can make Squall kill himself with a Death spell, but that does not mean I choose what is in canon and what is not. As I said we cannot use gameplay to prove everything. I don't know what kind of ideology you have towards 'gameplay', but gameplay would never equal canon as a source of information, nor it would equal it when it comes to consistency plot-wise. The question was more than simple, too bad you couldn't provide evidence...
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh, and to address the issue of Link carrying things, he's been able to do so since 1986.http://www.zeldauniverse.net/gallery/images/6838/1_link-items.jpg
Thanks, that proved he cannot make his items the size of a coin and magically switch them whenever he wants.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So far Wanked:Ganondorf's lightning
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His energy ball in the cutscene
Barinade's lightning
Majora's whips
Gohts lightning (Noticing a pattern here...)
Link's pillar toss
his attempted block against Ganon
His ability to carry things
His ability to push blocks
His ability to [b]move his shield
Damn right. 👆
No, because the gautlets aren't made for that purpose. They are made to LIFT heavy things, it is stated.
The gauntlets actively make him stronger, they're not magical gloves of lifting. Link grunts as he lifts the pillar, demonstrating physical exertion, and yells as he throws it. The scene is clearly meant to look badass and the gauntlets are specificly denoted as giving him strength/power.
Anything you won't downplay endlessly?
Thanks, that proved he cannot make his items the size of a coin and magically switch them whenever he wants.You say that like it's some kind of a disadvantage. You were actively pushing for Link to be unable to have all his gear, and Link can switch items just as easily without a magic hammerspace which it's very probable he actually has.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Again, that is not the point. The point is that the lightning electrocuted and killed someone once it made contact and Lloyd successfully deflected it without any kind of trouble whatsoever. That IS the feat. So Volt wanted to attack them with lightning but it ended attacking them with a wave of energy? That's why... we can see several lightning bolts and thunders... right? Yep, that makes sense. I never said you claimed that they could move at super-speed, did I? I simply said none ran at super-speed, so it proves nothing. Link running on that bridge was totally unimpressive, Lloyd quickly getting in the middle of an attack to protect someone was less unimpressive (cause he did something useful afterwards). How fast is Link to move his limbs, then swing his sword and deflect a lightning bolt? Oh wait, he can't.
A sword slash from Link would have done the same thing. I could be an ******* and start saying that the lightning did nothing to the area even though he shot out several blasts of it. And yes that is exactly what happened. Though I'd say he was just angry so he released his powah to emphasis the point.
2:02, the lightning does not hit them.
And again, you hinted at that. You said none showed super speed. It was the first mention of such a claim and you seemed to imply that my videos were meant to probe that. Link running on the bridge was my unfamiliarity with both games so I had to go with what I had. Lloyd has better reaction time then Link so far, that I will not disagree with. But my question is, so what? Link is still quite a bit stronger and has more items to help him out.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
No, because the gautlets aren't made for that purpose. They are made to LIFT heavy things, it is stated. You are adding stuff that is not anywhere present, my friend. So Link can slash through rocks, but he never tried? Nice piece of evidence you've got thar. He hasn't shown to be capable of. That's like saying I never tried to break a monster truck with a punch, but hey! That doesn't mean I can't, I can, but I never tried!
😂
"You found the Golden Gauntlets! You can feel even more power coursing through your arms!"
Actually sounds like they're meant to increase Link's arm strength from that sentence. Sure the game has to drop in a tiny hint that says "Go lift the pillars you noob" since all the players are noobs.
That is a stupid comparison you know that right? If you're able to chuck the monster truck across the arena, I'd say you very well could punch through parts of it. baka
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Did I said they were weak? No. I believe you say they were stronger. Those energy balls can trap, electrocute and kill someone? They can blow away several characters at once with ease? Other than stunning its own caster for a few seconds (not receiving damage), what are its destructive feats that makes them so OMGWTF powerful?
It needs anything else? Ganondorf has shown himself to be more durable than anyone else in Zelda. And if we're gonna go for destructive feats, I could be an ass and mention that Volt's lightning does nothing to the environment.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I can make Squall kill himself with a Death spell, but that does not mean I choose what is in canon and what is not. As I said we cannot use gameplay to prove everything. I don't know what kind of ideology you have towards 'gameplay', but gameplay would never equal canon as a source of information, nor it would equal it when it comes to consistency plot-wise. The question was more than simple, too bad you couldn't provide evidence...
Great. So let's do a hypothetical here. Let's take Sora for simplicity sake. Sora has to teleport in order to get above Xaldin and smack him on the head, otherwise you can't beat him. The player must do that to move the plot forward. But this is done in gameplay. We know Sora canonically beats Xaldin. So my question is: Does Sora teleport above his head to hit him?
You will not open your mouth and address me as though we are equals until you start using common sense. 😐
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Scream, he did give feats. Not especially good feats but give them he did. Though I would like a video of the cliff jumping if Tac would ever be so kind as to supply it. :3
Of course! 😄
Hmm... I couldn't get the video to come up on the post for some reason, so I'll post the link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5I6XPhOHG0&feature=related
The jump is pretty much right at the beginning of the clip. Then go to about 1:06 to here the dude remark about it. (The character, not the voice over dude...)
Also, this brings up another feat for Lloyd. His crazy jumping ability. Not just here, through the game Lloyd can jump up cliffs, pretty much. Something Link can't even get close to doing.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So he can jump off a cliff, how do you expect this to win him the thread? Eh, regardless it's not an issue, at most he could have hit terminal velocity which isn't a lot. Link would still one shot him.
Lloyd fights monsters all throughout his quest that would "one shot" him if they hit him, and he still wins. You keep hinging on Link's super strength like that gives the fight to him, when it doesn't. Right now, that is ALL you have going for Link. Lloyd has much more.
Link's got super human reaction time, super strength in the class 100+ range, and durability also in that range, you still need to prove Lloyd can harm him. 😬
It needs anything else? Ganondorf has shown himself to be more durable than anyone else in Zelda. And if we're gonna go for destructive feats, I could be an ass and mention that Volt's lightning does nothing to the environment.
Originally posted by TacDavey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5I6XPhOHG0&feature=related
Yes, that is exactly what I wanted. I can comfortably say that Lloyd is faster than Link. Not that that gives him the win of course but it gives him more than he had before.
If we assume Link is not a lightning timer, like I do, then Lloyd moves and reacts more quickly than Link. He still does not take the win of course, mostly due to the variety of items Link has and his at the moment superior strength.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
A sword slash from Link would have done the same thing. I could be an ******* and start saying that the lightning did nothing to the area even though he shot out several blasts of it. And yes that is exactly what happened. Though I'd say he was just angry so he released his powah to emphasis the point.2:02, the lightning does not hit them.
And again, you hinted at that. You said none showed super speed. It was the first mention of such a claim and you seemed to imply that my videos were meant to probe that. Link running on the bridge was my unfamiliarity with both games so I had to go with what I had. Lloyd has better reaction time then Link so far, that I will not disagree with. But my question is, so what? Link is still quite a bit stronger and has more items to help him out.
How do you know an slash from Link would have done the same? So because it hasn't been proven that Corrine is some super powerful character it means she's weak? That's an argument from ignorance fallacy. And for the record: THAT'S NOT T3H POINT. The attack isn't strong because it killed THAT character, it's strong due of what it DID and for what Volt is capable of. As for Lloyd, he deflected the attacks as if they were nothing, that IS the feat. And the lightnings bolts created a shockwave that blew away the characters? That further proves how strong Lloyd is. Because the lightning bolts that Volt released at first were more, but they were the same ones Lloyd deflected twice afterwards, with the exception that they were straight shots and they were charged up. Face it, Lloyd has pretty good feats. Link hardly. And I never hinted anything, so if your vidz weren't mean 2 prove anything then u shouldnt have posted them.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
"You found the Golden Gauntlets! You can feel even more power coursing through your arms!" Actually sounds like they're meant to increase Link's arm strength from that sentence. Sure the game has to drop in a tiny hint that says "Go lift the pillars you noob" since all the players are noobs. That is a stupid comparison you know that right? If you're able to chuck the monster truck across the arena, I'd say you very well could punch through parts of it.It needs anything else? Ganondorf has shown himself to be more durable than anyone else in Zelda. And if we're gonna go for destructive feats, I could be an ass and mention that Volt's lightning does nothing to the environment.
Link's arms. They don't enhance more than that. And my analogy explained your argument: 'he can but he never tried', instead of proving if he is actually capable of. I can lift a pile of bricks no problem, but I can break no one bare handed. The strength you put in both is not the same. That's why you need to prove how strong are Link's slashes or for instance his striking force. For example, Lloyd can slash through lightning no prob. The only think Link has over Lloyd is lifting strength, which is awesome, but not enough.
What does being durable has to do with being stunned by a slow magic ball? He apparently had no protection against his own spell, too bad. It's just stuns HIM for a few seconds, nothing more. That's not more powerful than Volt's lightning AT ALL. As for environments not being damaged by attacks nor showing permanent damage to, let's say, a floor... it's a videogame for God's sake, it does not have to be 100% realistic. Besides, according to Tac Volt crushed a village full of warriors. And by destructive, I never meant to say that the place suffered damage due the lightnings, although they do send powerful shockwaves. On the other hand those balls do nothing but float through air. Your attempt to make Volt's lightning look weak by saying 'there's no damage in the enviroment' is totally meaningless. It is actually one of the worst arguments I heard so far.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Great. So let's do a hypothetical here. Let's take Sora for simplicity sake. Sora has to teleport in order to get above Xaldin and smack him on the head, otherwise you can't beat him. The player must do that to move the plot forward. But this is done in gameplay. We know Sora canonically beats Xaldin. So my question is: Does Sora teleport above his head to hit him?You will not open your mouth and address me as though we are equals until you start using common sense. no expression
Just like Kratos beating Chronos. I agree. Those are situations destined to happen, otherwise the story can't continue. That's considered canon because the player has no choice but do it. But my point was that we cannot use gameplay fights to prove EVERYTHING. A such I cannot use a spell from Final Fantasy to prove it would hurt Link. We can draw some stuff from gameplay, but not everyhting, less when it is inconsistent story-wise. Now, what Link can do in cut-scenes? No one is using gameplay to prove Lloyd is strong. But as for now I haven't heard a Link feat outside wanked gameplay fights.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You say that like it's some kind of a disadvantage. You were actively pushing for Link to be unable to have all his gear, and Link can switch items just as easily without a magic hammerspace which it's very probable he actually [b]has. [/B]
No. I asked if he could save them in his pocket and switch them whenever he wanted like in gameplay. Now, since you provided an image confirming he can't, you have responded to my question. That was all.
