Lloyd Irving vs Link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

Edit: no, really, I cannot begin to explain it. 😐

Well, I can try:

1. That's not an argument, since the force required to take the sword from Link's hand already puts him beyond being harmed by Lloyd.
2. Energy doesn't just incrementally build up until you say "when". 😐 Go stand next to some train tracks, and try to stop a viarail with your hand. (It'll be easier than blocking Ganon's sword). Come back and tell me if you broke your arm, or your arm just folded when it decided it'd reached it's limit. haermm

You seriously have no understanding of physics, huh? 😬

....What? That made no sense. Obviously if I stick my arm out in front of a train there will be plenty of damage. Now, if I held a bat out in front of a train, the trained would knock the bat out of my hand before it ever destroyed my arm.

My hand will only grip the bat until it can no longer do so. After that, I'll loose my grip on the bat, and that will be the end of it.

If Link took that hit, he would be injured. He didn't, though. It knocked the sword from his hand because the force was stronger than Link's grip on the sword. No harm done.

>_< have been since November, my bad if Im a little off my game.

Thinking that the repelling properties of the sword would add this.

'm not entirely sure there is a point other than my need to codify, investigate, formulate, record, and notate

Tac is on to something there with the grip point.

Tac is on to something there with the grip point.

My hand will only grip the bat until it can no longer do so. After that, I'll loose my grip on the bat, and that will be the end of it.

You hear about the guy in Japan who lost an arm playing tug of war? Same idea. The force transferred before he could miraculously just let go! Force doesn't wait for you to say "okay" and then just stop, boyo. It's a really good durability feat. And one you have no argument against other than ignorance of physical laws.

You know, the up-shot of your completely retarded 12 ton lightning ball calculation is that it actually defeats itself.

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1.45 Link gets hit by the ball and all that happens is that he gets knocked on his ass, as if it had been a punch. If it was really 12 tons it would send him flying backwards, skinny douche that he is. It would be like being hit by a wrecking ball and wrecking balls are only about 2500 lbs or something whereas 12 tons would be something silly like 30,000 lbs.

Coolstory bro, how about them thar walls? You know, like the one Link hits before he falls to the ground? The cool part about this is now you're just downplaying for the sake of it, this isn't even necessary to any argument I'm making. haermm

Nice try, but you can clearly see at 2.35 that he wouldn't have been anywhere close to a wall nor would he have been impeded by it. You can see him hit again at 2.39 and he doesn't go back enough to even brush the wall. GG, mate.

This is just more evidence against the ball being lightning because if what you say is true and you would need 12 tons for it to be able to destroy those blocks then it would surely send Link further that it does.

Nice try, but you can clearly see at 2.35 that he wouldn't have been anywhere close to a wall nor would he have been impeded by it. You can see him hit again at 2.39 and he doesn't go back enough to even brush the wall. GG, mate.

So, now you're arguing the attack clearly animated as lightning isn't even electrical? haermm HOLY SHIT, man. I might keep you as a pet. 😐 You know, just incase for whatever reason I mistake flames for fire, so you can correct me!

The attack is plainly electrical, enough electricity to destroy that block would way multiple tons. It's a neat little factoid, I'll have you know being hit by the ball does knock Link back significantly, not that it matters since most things do as there are only two or three knock back animations in OoT. What is interesting is the attacks get a unique animation nothing else in the game does for hitting and destroying the floor.

GG what? GG knockback animation? I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to prove.

So, now you're arguing the attack clearly animated as lightning isn't even electrical?

We've been over this bro, you want to use gameplay indicating that its lightning, I'll throw back gameplay indicating it isn't. Not everything is what it looks like. Force ligtning is not actual lightning, even though it resembles it. Is it really so hard to accept taht maybe the attack is simply magic that happens to resemble lightning?

😆HOLY SHIT, man. I might keep you as a pet. 😐

I'd like to ask you to tone it down a little. I'd hate to have to report you for acting like such a massive ****ing prick.

You know, just incase for whatever reason I mistake flames for fire, so you can correct me!

Well if said fire freezes what it touches and acts in ways completely different from how actual fire does, I will. 😉

The attack is plainly electrical, enough electricity to destroy that block would way multiple tons.

Multiple facts indicate otherwise.

I'll have you know being hit by the ball does knock Link back significantly,

In direct defiance to what we can actually see above?

Coolstory bro!

Well if said fire freezes what it touches and acts in ways completely different from how actual fire does, I will.

The "upshot" of all of this, is you're now legitimately arguing an electrical attack which behaves like elctricity, with an electrical start, electrical end, and so on and so forth, is not electric, because you don't like it.

Am I being a prick? Maybe, but you're being awfully thick. Like some sort of super dense plank of thickness taped to a thick plank of density.

Multiple facts indicate otherwise.

What facts? Which? What "facts" could you possibly have that prove this attack is not electrical when it in all respects behaves and is presented as such? Hm?

In direct defiance to what we can actually see above?

Cos magical electricity = lightning?

Also is no one gonna bring up the other attack?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Cos magical electricity = lightning?

Also is no one gonna bring up the other attack?

Have we really come so far people are going to start denying that the attack is even electrical?

Originally posted by Nephthys

OMG, seriously? 12 tons of lightning? **** this thread man. Even RJ's smarter than that.

I concur. Still getting lulz from the suffering.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
That is nowhere implied in my post. I never said it is strong because it killed Corrine, nor I talked about any durability. You're saying all of that. You on the other hand said she's weak since there is not evidence to prove the contrary, so way to go for ya. Read my posts, for me she is not important. But those bolts weren't charged up by Volt, were they? They were suddenly released. The ones Lloyd blocked yes, they were. 1 bolt charged up > 1 bolt don't charged up. And yeah, the powerful shockwave, that shows how strong Volt is. And Lloyd effortlessly parried not one, but two of his attacks which also released electric shockwaves when they made contact with him. So yeah, what he deflected was indeed strong. 😐

You can't even read your own post. That is exactly what you implied. And she is as durable as a fox until you prove otherwise. Yes, prove to me that killing her matters. Prove it. And okay, we'll have it your way. What he deflected was strong. Now...how strong was it?

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
No. Lloyd parried a bolt single handed with no effort, he didn't even counter-attacked it, he simply tanked it with his arm. Imagine by putting effort on a two-handed slash. He has the strength and speed needed for that purpose. Link on the other hand hasn't shown to be capable of slashing through a solid rock with his sword, simply lifting it, which is the true purpose of the GGs, and which is not the same. No, mate, try putting a little marble ball on a table and then try punching it using your arm's strength, you won't break it not matter if you're capable of lifting a pile of bricks which weight way more. While I won't disagree about Link receiving at least a boost of strength for his attacks, even tough that's still vague and the game has no reference to it whatsoever... I would disagree with your argument about him slashing and cutting through rocks. :/

He can but he never tried. That is all I read from that. In order to apply that principle to Lloyd you must also apply it to Link. Not doing so is blatant favoritism. And if I can launch that marble across the country, I could likely break it easily. And he doesn't have to slash and cut through rocks. Just Lloyd's face.

Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Energy balls*. I never said they were weak, you are saying they are OMGWTF powerful. I'm just describing what they does, stunning no other than its own caster for a few seconds, so you can actually harm him and being reflected by sword's swings and blocked by shields. Which one of those facts are incorrect? You don't care if Volt destroyed a village full of ninja warriors, huh? So you refute a fact by saying you do not care? Tac said Volt destroyed that ninja girl's village full of other ninja warriors to show Volt's power, thus Lloyd's, why else he would brought that up? It isn't 100% relevant to know HOW he did it, just that... with his powers, he did it.

Zeldapedia says otherwise, check it out. Well, it showed Link cannot make his items the size of a coin and magically switch them as he does in gameplay.

You say they are weak compared to Volt's attack. I disagree based on what we've seen. And no. Let me repeat: I do not give a single solitary shit that he beat a village of ninja. Why? Because we do not know how he did it. Did he nuke them? If he did, then he has shown more power than Ganondorf's ki blast. Is it fair to assume that's what he did? Not in the slightest. So unless some context is provided, it means Nothing.

Link to the Zeldapedia that says this?

Edit: Are you guys ready to get your mind Blown by something I just discovered!? Are ya!? If not then too bad!

Spoiler:
The ball is mad of electricity And light.

ZOMGZORZ!

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
ZOMGZORZ!

inorite?

You're right its not rocket science, its magic in fiction .__.

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9:10 If nothing else but to prove the electric affinity of a magic orb. Its charged in a magical manner in sound and appearance, (like the first and phantom times) and they move in a wavy pattern. Once again having that electrical charge to it. Is this supposed to be a lightning strike too?

There's no doubt its charged with electricity, not a bolt of it.

There's no doubt its charged with electricity, not a bolt of it.

The attack your citing behaves entirely differently from the other attack, makes a different sound, has a different charge animation down to the glow and even sucking the light out of the room. mmm Most importantly, it's a different attack.

Edit: also, dude's a newb. Use the quickspin! D=<

So...umm...how do you weigh light? o_0

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So...umm...how do you weigh light? o_0

Also, I can see how there'd be light in the larger attack, but what supports it on the other? mmm

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're a sick man. 😐

Also, I can see how there'd be light in the larger attack, but what supports it on the other? mmm

evillaugh

The room, or at least the sections of the room behind Ganondorf go dark. The ball leaves little light balls behind as it travels. It doesn't have a shadow. And most nitpickingly of all, when you see him charge of the the attack...well...something weird appears on screen.

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1:44 ish. You see it? It's like the ball is reflecting light. Or whatever it is that makes that weird thing appear. Wish I knew the term.

The room, or at least the sections of the room behind Ganondorf go dark. The ball leaves little light balls behind as it travels. It doesn't have a shadow.

Hm, the room remains dark as long as the ball's in motion. IT SHINES WITH EVIL DARKNESS. mmm

Also, you're referring to it refracting, I think?