Originally posted by BloodRain
So doesn't the fiction need to prove that both resistances are same in their verse?
Dunno. Something with the sheer power to destroy mountains is gonna hurt more than a sword wound from some guy.
I'd argue that said person would be cut but not bleed. Then again, the likliest outcome would be the sword breaking.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Please do not make this argument, the gauntlets obviously do not take the weight for him as he's seen, and heard, obviously physicly exerting himself. He plainly feels the weight.1. Throwing it is an incredible feat, go pick up something exceedingly heavy, like, say... a big rock. Try and throw it the way Link does. The forces are incredible with such a massive rock involved.
wearing the gauntlets here. This makes Ganon stronger than Link with the GG's. I want you to consider that Link with the GG's is strong enough to, for example, juggle tanks, or crush them into paper balls.
2. You still don't grasp the scale. This isn't like you throwing a small rock, and not being able to break a small rock, this is like throwing a freight train, you are at that point, definitely strong enough to bash it in with your fists.
3. Link is incredibly physicly powerful.
4. Yes, Link [b]is
He's the one Midna is attacking, go just a little bit ahead of whatever time I mentioned.Try because hitting him so hard the castle around him explodes doesn't hurt him at all. This is called a durability feat. Being made of flesh does not make you soft in fiction. You could shoot Ganon with the aforementioned 8MJ railgun and it'd bounce off his chest. The sword is designed to smite evil, Ganon is not designed to be smote by good, it's different.
No, it's splitting Ganon's face. Ganondorf's face is harder than steel. Shit, you could hit Ganondorf's face with a naval barrage and it'd come out of it unscathed. [/B]
I'm just saying what they do, enhance his arms' strength to be able lift heavy things. You on the other hand are making radical claims such as saying they enhances his legs and the rest of is body when that's not necessarily true for a magic gauntlets. I can lift a chair and toss it but I cannot use that strength to break it. Are you honestly saying that just because you can lift something you would be able to break it? And the weight of an object doesn't determine the hardness of is material. The material's hardness will remain the same, the only thing it will change is the width of it. As for the castle, sorry, I never saw Ganon being hit with anything, he just appeared there with a horse. That horse obviously didn't got it either, if not all of you would be saying he's durable too. So again, I accepted Link slashing wood when I know is not from the same game and he doesn't have the same items either. Now you jump to Link can slash rocks, when there's no evidence of such.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In what weird world is "blocking" an attack the same as tanking it? And I do believe he uses his sword and sheathes it quickly. And exactly. Corrine was electrocuted. She did not die by any force of the attack. Lloyd while blocking makes a completely different reaction. If he tanked it, he'd have been electrocuted as well.No, that's me assuming based on what I know. If you want to convince me otherwise, you'll have to show me feats for Corrine. And again, he did not withstand them. He blocked them.
His sword is behind him, so that can be means he slashed it. But I haven't seen blocking it AT ALL.
Except you don't know how strong she is. I gave an explanation for why she is not important for the feat. Yes, he either withstand them or slashed them, I never saw him putting the sword in the middle and blocking it.
I'm sure Link would feel the jolt, but he would loose grip before damage was done. If a force acts on something in your hand past where your hand can hold on, it let's go.
Ergo, you're wrong.
That's slightly inconsistent. Ganon takes a sword through the gut, and not by someone with super strength. He can still be cut, just not usually killed. Takes a magic sword to do that. Like, say, the Master Sword?
Originally posted by BloodRain
So doesn't the fiction need to prove that both resistances are same in their verse?
Originally posted by BloodRain
A few examples like the Vegeta one.. Eg Dante tanking a hit from a giant statue (blunt) but still getting shot or stabbed by weak foes. IMO the fiction should tell us.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Agreed. IIRC Wonder Woman has the same thing. She can take blows from Superman but has to block bullets and swords etc.
I'm just saying what they do, enhance his arms' strength to be able lift heavy things. You on the other hand are making radical claims such as saying they enhances his legs and the rest of is body when that's not necessarily true for a magic gauntlets
I can lift a chair and toss it but I cannot use that strength to break it. Are you honestly saying that just because you can lift something you would be able to break it? And the weight of an object doesn't determine the hardness of is material. The material's hardness will remain the same, the only thing it will change is the width of it.
K, throwing a chair doesn't make you strong enough to snap wood. Throwing a car would. If you can throw a car, you're strong enoguh to break a chair. Stone does not get harder as it gains size, EXACTLY. So Link, being able to throw hundreds of tons, could crush stone in his hands. The strength required to throw that much weight is much more than is required to simply break the rocks.
As for the castle, sorry, I never saw Ganon being hit with anything, he just appeared there with a horse. That horse obviously didn't got it either, if not all of you would be saying he's durable too.The black horse with the glowing red eyes and shit? Probably created with Ganon's magic.
And wut? Watch the whole cutscene. The entire point of it is Midna hits, and it does nothing. 😐 Wtf, dude.
So again, I accepted Link slashing wood when I know is not from the same game and he doesn't have the same items either.That's OoT Link. It doesn't ****ing matter that the feat is from MM. The only item he used to do that is the kokiri sword. FFS. HE GOT THAT IN OOT. 😐
Now you jump to Link can slash rocks, when there's no evidence of such.Actually, there's a ****ing mountain of it. Holy shit dude. Link can maul stone with his fists. There is no logicly denying this. The strength required to throw a pillar is MANY TIMES LESS than to break it. He's damaged Ganon, who is far more durable than stone. He's damaged Volvagia, who can fly through stone to destroy it and drop it on your head. He's pushed massive blocks, he's nearly blocked an attack from Ganon. There is no way stone could stand up to him.
Because everyone dodged it:
Originally posted by NemeBro
Hmmmmmmm, so apparently because Ganondorf's body is flesh, it can be stabbed so easily?Damn son, better hope some random mugger with a knife never gets the drop on Superman! D:
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
His sword is behind him, so that can be means he slashed it. But I haven't seen blocking it AT ALL.Except you don't know how strong she is. I gave an explanation for why she is not important for the feat. Yes, he either withstand them or slashed them, I never saw him putting the sword in the middle and blocking it.
Considering we only see it from behind, it's hard to tell. I assumed he pulled the sword out and blocked it, hence why it sends off a way of energy when it makes contact with him.
You gave a poor example that doesn't make any sense. She died because of electrocution, not from any force behind the lightning. And I never saw him slash it or get electrified, so I say he blocked it.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If he used the Dragonball Z Saiyan tail as an argument to try and tear down the durability part, you should know that saiyan's tails are their weak point. Vegeta and Nappa had it beaten to the point where grabbing it won't hurt them, but I can't imagine taking a sword to it won't do anything.
That wasn't the scene I was talking about. This was after Vegeta lost his tail.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
I'm just saying what they do, enhance his arms' strength to be able lift heavy things. You on the other hand are making radical claims such as saying they enhances his legs and the rest of is body when that's not necessarily true for a magic gauntlets. I can lift a chair and toss it but I cannot use that strength to break it. Are you honestly saying that just because you can lift something you would be able to break it? And the weight of an object doesn't determine the hardness of is material. The material's hardness will remain the same, the only thing it will change is the width of it. As for the castle, sorry, I never saw Ganon being hit with anything, he just appeared there with a horse. That horse obviously didn't got it either, if not all of you would be saying he's durable too. So again, I accepted Link slashing wood when I know is not from the same game and he doesn't have the same items either. Now you jump to Link can slash rocks, when there's no evidence of such.
But, see, there's some physical laws here that need to be observed. When Link picks up the pillar, he's holding it up with essentially his entire body. His legs need to be able to support the weight of the pillar, as you can see in the cutscene he's lifting primarily with his legs. If his legs were not strong, he'd be unable to stand up while holding the pillar. You have 2 choices here:
1. Link's legs are naturally strong and durable enough to take the pillar's weight.
2. The Golden Gauntlets enhance Link's leg strength as well.
Those are pretty much the only two choices, as we can quite clearly see Link using his legs during the lifting, and standing up with the weight. Technically, Link would also need to be supremely durable to avoid the pillar crushing his tiny form or breaking his back.
As for Ganon, I don't see how you are unable to see Midna attacking him.
YouTube video
Check 1:45. Do you see that big yellow black thing? The one with the helmet? That's Midna.
Now see 1:55, and do you see the large yellow black floating head?That's Ganon.
Keep watching through 2:07, do you see Midna readying her weapon? 2:09, do you see Midna striking with her weapon? That's the attack.
2:37, do you see the castle exploding? With Ganon obviously still inside?
That's the feat. Ganondorf created the horse from thin air. He does that sometimes.
Moving on. What makes you think that Link can't slash Lioyd?
His sword is behind him, so that can be means he slashed it. But I haven't seen blocking it AT ALL.
Why not? If he tanked it, wouldn't he have been enveloped in the same little lightning field that Corrine was? Lloyd obviously wasn't hit with the full attack, so he blocked the actual attack.
Except you don't know how strong she is. I gave an explanation for why she is not important for the feat. Yes, he either withstand them or slashed them, I never saw him putting the sword in the middle and blocking it.
How did he slash them without putting his sword in front of him? If he slashed them, he blocked them by definition. Now since I don't see him actually withstanding the attack like Corrine did, he seems to have blocked it.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelTrunks was SUper Saiyan, swords are more effective than damaging you than non-bladed means because they distribute their force over less area. Super Saiyan strength can harm Freiza with it's fists, sword will carve him up, yes. 😐
Who needs the lower half of their body? awesomeNote: Frieza was sliced into pieces by Trunks when he was at damn near full power. 😐
There being a difference between "types" of resistance is a fallacy.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Trunks was SUper Saiyan, swords are more effective than damaging you than non-bladed means because they distribute their force over less area. Super Saiyan strength can harm Freiza with it's fists, sword will carve him up, yes. 😐There being a difference between "types" of resistance is a fallacy.
Frieza survived a planet explosion while his body was in pieces and his power level low. You are aware that, as opposed to non-bladed weapons, bladed weapons can be broken right? It shouldn't be able to cut Frieza in half, regardless of the wielder. It should literally break on contact with skin that can take a planet explosion.
Frieza survived a planet explosion while his body was in pieces and his power level low. You are aware that, as opposed to non-bladed weapons, bladed weapons can be broken right? It shouldn't be able to cut Frieza in half, regardless of the wielder. It should literally break on contact with skin that can take a planet explosion.It's a super sword from the future designed to be used by a super saiyan. This universe also features FTL space travel. 😐
Originally posted by TacDavey1. That so huh? It's too bad that Link doesn't have such feats like falling down a nigh-bottomless hole without injury, strapping a bomb to his face, or falling from over a thousand feet down to Earth in Majora's Mask. OH WAIT, HE DOES.
Okay, Link does survive big rocks falling on him... Still not durable enough to make a sword bounce off him, though. He still gets hurt if the rocks hit him and not the shield.I'm sure Link would feel the jolt, but he would loose grip before damage was done. If a force acts on something in your hand past where your hand can hold on, it let's go.
That's slightly inconsistent. Ganon takes a sword through the gut, and not by someone with super strength. He can still be cut, just not usually killed. Takes a magic sword to do that. Like, say, the Master Sword?
2. No. A normal man's tendons and ligaments would be annihilated, well actually he would probably be rendered unrecognisable after, but the point still stands. Take an aluminum baseball bat, and try to hit a moving train. Tell me how it goes.
3. Only Link has super strength, he always has, even before the gauntlets, to deny this will only further showcase your denial and inadequacy. He can be cut? Like in Wind Waker when Link's Master Sword did absolutely nothing, and in fact clanged off his skin? In fact, will show you the video.
Check 1:18.
The Master Sword, which, while weakened from its former power, still held enough magic to seal the bulk of Ganondorf's power, did NOTHING to him. So I think it is safe to say your claim that Ganondorf can still be cut, just not killed, is bullshit huh? Especially since it was a magic sword that Link attempted to cut him with.
Oh and how about this durability feat? In the fight in Wind Waker with Ganondorf, who has lost the Triforce of Power, Ganondorf at several points tanks attacks from the Master Sword, and even Light Arrows, which disintegrate almost every enemy in the game short of Ganondorf. He can even continue speaking with a sword stuck in his head, only being sealed.
Originally posted by BloodRainNo such things, stop using those terms please.
Can't remember the reason but why is blunt resistance treated as blade resistance again?
Originally posted by GrieverSquall1. Whether they increase his whole body's strength or just his arm's is irrelevant. Since you know, he attacks and swings a sword with his arms. Also, I can lift a chair and toss it as well. I could also easily physically break one. So all you have really proved here is that you lack the sufficient strength to break a chair. It depends on what you lift. I can lift a diamond, but I cannot break it without a hammer, for instance. That said, that is not what ANYONE is saying. Link has shown to lift and throw something that weighs over 1,000 tons. That is more than the necessary physical strength required to break or cut through stone. Oh, and by the way, OoT Link has, in canon, cut and shattered steel. As in he does it every time he fights an Iron Knuckle, whose armor can be broken off with your sword. Ganondorf was in the castle when it exploded. If Ganondorf was not hit, that means he was fast enough to avoid it. So is a good feat for him either way. Also, the horse is obviously not natural.
I'm just saying what they do, enhance his arms' strength to be able lift heavy things. You on the other hand are making radical claims such as saying they enhances his legs and the rest of is body when that's not necessarily true for a magic gauntlets. I can lift a chair and toss it but I cannot use that strength to break it. Are you honestly saying that just because you can lift something you would be able to break it? And the weight of an object doesn't determine the hardness of is material. The material's hardness will remain the same, the only thing it will change is the width of it. As for the castle, sorry, I never saw Ganon being hit with anything, he just appeared there with a horse. That horse obviously didn't got it either, if not all of you would be saying he's durable too. So again, I accepted Link slashing wood when I know is not from the same game and he doesn't have the same items either. Now you jump to Link can slash rocks, when there's no evidence of such.His sword is behind him, so that can be means he slashed it. But I haven't seen blocking it AT ALL.
Except you don't know how strong she is. I gave an explanation for why she is not important for the feat. Yes, he either withstand them or slashed them, I never saw him putting the sword in the middle and blocking it.
Check about 3:45. First of all, the horse is clearly not normal in appearance, glowing eyes and shit. But then look what happens after Ganondorf falls. It... Disappears. Ganondorf has shown the ability to create life multiple times, he clearly created the horse for riding, since it basically appeared from nowhere. So no, the horse needed to tank nothing. And I already proved Link can shatter steel, kk.
I am disgusted with this. I had to stop listening to Freebird to look up those friggin videos.
Oh, and as for Vegeta and swords. Yajirobe is not a normal human, and the tail is the weak point of the Saiyans, always has been. Krillin is also not normal, and Vegeta was kind of, you know, nearly dead. 😐 So not valid as an example.
For evidence purposes.
About 12 seconds in, Link throws another pillar. I want everyone to note his position while doing this: Link crouches, grips the base of the pillar, and stands up. He stands up, of course, using his legs. While holding the massive pillar. So as we can see, Link's legs produce enough force to lift the pillar.
Also, please note that when Link threw the pillar, it broke. To rephrase that slightly: Link broke the pillar with his bare hands. I believe that this establishes Link as strong enough to break stone without his sword, yes? With his sword, it should be cut.
And I just want to say that Ganondorf can make some really strong barriers to tank that flying pillar.
Oh, and by the way, OoT Link has, in canon, cut and shattered steel. As in he does it every time he fights an Iron Knuckle, whose armor can be broken off with your sword.
Point.
2:00 for Link breaking Nabooru's armor.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's a super sword from the future designed to be used by a super saiyan. This universe also features FTL space travel. 😐
Which is why it was snapped in half by older technology amirite?
Trunks also tried to use his super powerful future sword on Goku's skin and it did **** all to him. I understand there's a gap between Goku and Frieza in power but it couldn't be that big a gap. Especially when Trunks lazily dispatches Frieza.
This was Frieza's super powerful alien body compared to Goku's.