And the level to how effective varies from fiction to fiction ie-loz would have to show this.
At that time his durability outmatched his strength.
Clips not working. It's right after Alex wakes up, he gets shot by Blackwatch where he crouches and bleeds.
That I remember its heavy hits and normal arrows.
C'mon there's too many examples going on for people to pretend it doesnt make sense.
FYI the painfully obvious are either seeing the person do it or knowing without proof (like a guy that survives a nuke without a scratch, he'd have a case here)
Can't say Link can't be stabbed by anyone with less then lightningpillar'splotion strength just because he got his sword knocked out of his hand. That's a baseless claim.
@Spy: oh? I can't really remember much else with Kratos.
Can't say Link can't be stabbed by anyone with less then lightningpillar'splotion strength just because he got his sword knocked out of his hand. That's a baseless claim.
Link's shown durability far beyond what Lloyd's shown to be able to harm.
Stopping the charging the leviathan (Poseidon's creature) with his bare hands was a better strength feat, as it was manhandling the entire weight several titans by itself. Probably a durability feat as him not being durable enough would end up in his arms flying off. Defeating giant sized Hades in a tug of war might have been better aswell, as he could pull on atlas who could support the entire crust of the planet by himself.
As for durability, taking an eruption at point blank range that sunk atlantis, which was no where close to the eruption without getting a scratch on him was better.
Cronos was the most blatantly obvious one, but it wasn't even his best.
It's because it isn't obvious and because we never see it that the distance between blunt and blade will be left unknown.
Lloyd would be man-handled if it came down to clashes but can't admit that if a guy stabbed Link in the gut that itd bounce off.
Guess no one really puts those feats forward in Kratos threads.
Originally posted by BloodRainI'm not actually sure what you're saying here.
It's because it isn't obvious and because we never see it that the distance between blunt and blade will be left unknown.Lloyd would be man-handled if it came down to clashes but can't admit that if a guy stabbed Link in the gut that itd bounce off.
Guess no one really puts those feats forward in Kratos threads.
They're the same durability. 😐 Lloyd's full strength spread over less than a square inch of space wouldn't hurt Link. Ergo, he cannot hurt Link. His sword /would/ bounce harmlessly off of Link.
Eh, my official argument: Link waits for Lloyd to come close, quickspins. /Game.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Will a video do?
http://www.bofunk.com/video/3800/tug_o_war.html
Someone already mentioned this, but it was hardly the force alone that took the man's arm.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Oh! You mean [b]before Ganon received the source of his power? A totally irrelevant point. This is like comparing Goku as a child to Goku as a super saiyan. [/B]
What? When did it say he didn't have his power?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And TP Link is actually just as strong, if not stronger, than OoT Link with the GG's, as they may even have been retconned. It's probable Link's superhuman strength comes directly from the ToC, regardless of where it comes from TP Link matches Ganondorf in a sword lock, and as a wolf stops Ganon's charging beast form.
Yet needs metal boots to wrestle Gorons. Is Ganon weaker than Gorons? It's an inconsistency.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He's refering to Majora's Mask, when Link as a weaker [b]child without his source of power straps the blast mask to his face. This mask can destroy solid rock, and yet Link's face is fine? That's impressive durability and it's Link at his weakest. The fall is probably during the intro, and falling from the sky at the end, when the moon is destroyed. [/B]
The Mask is gameplay mechanics. It's been some time since I played Majora's Mask. Video's for the other two?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pardon me? Can you cite the megaton hammer actually doing more than [b]knocking Ganon over? Regardless, this works against your argument, as it showcases Link as being strong enough to hurt someone who survives a castle busting attack unscratched.The light sword which happened before Ganon got the ToP?
The Master Sword which was in Link's hand in that video? Are you implying it somehow ignores Ganon's incredible durability entirely? (It doesn't, this is proven at the end of WW when he speaks with it jammed in his face. It's never killed him, only sealed him and/or his power.)
Yeah, the sword smites evil, but you act as if it bypasses Ganon's durability, there's no evidence of that. Everytime Link has fought Ganon he's had super strength either through an item or the ToC.[/B]
No he hasn't. He didn't have super strength in Wind Waker. The thing that made the difference between fight one and fight two was nothing more than the Master Sword getting it's power back.
1. It's not obvious. 2. Never seen it so no proof to it. 3. No way to say for sure if itd take a 10,000 tonner or a half tonner with a sword to get the same result.
To keep it to one example; Spidey gets smacked around by rhino and other super strength foes, once or twice a slightly mad hulk. Suffers either pain or broken bones. Then we see him get shot or cut and be in a worse condition them getting hit around.
How similar is that durability? Theirs a large gap which varies with characters.
Someone already mentioned this, but it was hardly the force alone that took the man's arm.Check the article. 😐
What? When did it say he didn't have his power?In that EXACT cutscene? haermm didn't you watch it?
1:30
"He was the leader of a band of thieves who invaded Hyrule in the hopes of establishing dominion over the sacred realm.", IE, no Triforce yet.
Yet needs metal boots to wrestle Gorons. Is Ganon weaker than Gorons? It's an inconsistencyPhysics say hello, Gorons are made of rock, they are heavier than Link, no matter how strong you are, something heavier than you will win if you push against one another, because it has more mass. The boots make Link heavier, not stronger.
The Mask is gameplay mechanics. It's been some time since I played Majora's Mask. Video's for the other two?The mask is not gameplay mechanics, it's part of one of the many quests through out the game to help everyone before the moon falls.
No he hasn't. He didn't have super strength in Wind Waker. The thing that made the difference between fight one and fight two was nothing more than the Master Sword getting it's power back.
Originally posted by BloodRainmariofacepalm
1. It's not obvious. 2. Never seen it so no proof to it. 3. No way to say for sure if itd take a 10,000 tonner or a half tonner with a sword to get the same result.To keep it to one example; Spidey gets smacked around by rhino and other super strength foes, once or twice a slightly mad hulk. Suffers either pain or broken bones. Then we see him get shot or cut and be in a worse condition them getting hit around.
How similar is that durability? Theirs a large gap which varies with characters.
1. It is obvious. There's no such thing as seperate durabilities. This is an obvious fact, like up is this way. ^
2. PRoof of what? Proof Link is durable? This thread is littered with it, as are the million other threads you and I have debated in.
3. Actually, there is. 😐 What are you even trying to say? Lloyd cannot exert enough force to damage Link, because Link's body has received more force than Lloyd can create, unharmed.
TADAH.
Spidey limps from a mad hulk but is in agony from a bullet or slash.. that and all the other examples say themes a difference.
Proof that he can stop an axe with his tongue.. or any blade resistance.
Don't know the gap so it stays as an unknown.
Btw can you explain how Dorf got the tfp in that scene o.o cos he was prevented from ever touching it but suddenly he has it /confused
Proof that he can stop an axe with his tongue.. or any blade resistance.And I point you to the aforementioned block against Ganon. Tadah. Durability. Because there is no difference between blunt and slashing durability, this is good enough. Factor in the blast mask and other consistent showings of super human durability and Link doesn't care if Lloyd tries to stab him, because it's humorous and futile.
Don't know the gap so it stays as an unknown.The gap between Link's durability and Lloyd's strength is huge. 😐 And the difference between what it takes to cut someone and what it takes to hurt them with a fist is measurable and quantifiable. Lloyd does not reach into this range of strength.
Again that spider-man eg and the rest say otherwise. If Link is an exception to them then show him smacking a sword away barehanded. Proof = 'hey look, superman stopped a bullet with his eye and a sword broke on his neck. Guess he can resist them' as in pure witness to it.
The gap between how easy or hard it is to stab him compared to what he took.
Ohhh so the triforce bypassed the time split. Is odd how he was fully aware and accepting of it and not as puzzled as I am.
The gap between how easy or hard it is to stab him compared to what he took.Is easily measurable. I've shown in the past that you'd need many of tons of PSI to hurt Link.
If Link can handle, say, for example, 100 tons over 6^2 inches, 50 tons over 3^2 inches is the same. Neither will hurt him.
Ohhh so the triforce bypassed the time split. Is odd how he was fully aware and accepting of it and not as puzzled as I am.He looked kind of shocked and axe crazy to me. His face after PAWNCHing the water sage is not the face of a sane man. haermm
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Considering we only see it from behind, it's hard to tell. I assumed he pulled the sword out and blocked it, hence why it sends off a way of energy when it makes contact with him.You gave a poor example that doesn't make any sense. She died because of electrocution, not from any force behind the lightning. And I never saw him slash it or get electrified, so I say he blocked it.
Yeah, but Lloyd pulled the sword out and slashed them, that's why his sword is behind and not in front. He would have to put his sword in front and then parry the attacks in order to fully block them. He didn't though. He counter-attacked with a quick sword maneuver, even his position indicates that he in fact performed an slash.
You didn't get it at all, right? If a thunder falls and kills a cat, then another one falls on me and I effortlessly withstand its force, would you say it was unimpressive just because it killed a cat? I wouldn't. Because killing the cat wasn't impressive. The feat it's mine for withstanding the thunder, that IS the impressive part. The cat is unimportant. Either way, deflecting Volt's attacks single handed with ease just as Lloyd did is indeed a good feat taking into account that Volt's pretty powerful. Saying that Lloyd required of NOTHING to take on two of Volt's attacks is just plain illogical.
And according to Tac a character named Kratos is > Volt. And Lloyd defeated Kratos by himslef, which means Lloyd > Kratos > Volt. If that is true, then we should leave that scene as Lloyd would be capable of defeating Volt by himself without problems.
Originally posted by The Scenario
About 12 seconds in, Link throws another pillar. I want everyone to note his position while doing this: Link crouches, grips the base of the pillar, and stands up. He stands up, of course, using his legs. While holding the massive pillar. So as we can see, Link's legs produce enough force to lift the pillar.Also, please note that when Link threw the pillar, it broke.
You provided a good strength video there. That is what I needed. He lifted a pillar, tossed it and it made it broke against that wall. I believe Link would be able to punch rocks while wearing the GGs now. I concede the point for the evidence shown.
Originally posted by The Scenario
But, see, there's some physical laws here that need to be observed. When Link picks up the pillar, he's holding it up with essentially his entire body. His legs need to be able to support the weight of the pillar, as you can see in the cutscene he's lifting primarily with his legs. If his legs were not strong, he'd be unable to stand up while holding the pillar. You have 2 choices here:1. Link's legs are naturally strong and durable enough to take the pillar's weight.
2. The Golden Gauntlets enhance Link's leg strength as well.
Those are pretty much the only two choices, as we can quite clearly see Link using his legs during the lifting, and standing up with the weight. Technically, Link would also need to be supremely durable to avoid the pillar crushing his tiny form or breaking his back.
I choose option number 3: The gauntlets does not necessarily have to enhance more than his arms since it's a magic object. The legs does not have to receive all the weight either as the gauntlets are receiving all of it or most of it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ganondorf was in the castle when it exploded. If Ganondorf was not hit, that means he was fast enough to avoid it. So is a good feat for him either way. Also, the horse is obviously not natural.Check about 3:45. First of all, the horse is clearly not normal in appearance, glowing eyes and shit. But then look what happens after Ganondorf falls. It... Disappears. Ganondorf has shown the ability to create life multiple times, he clearly created the horse for riding, since it basically appeared from nowhere. So no, the horse needed to tank nothing. And I already proved Link can shatter steel, kk.
I was told that the yellow thing is Ganon, right? Okay. Thing is, we never see if he actually gets hit by the castle or not, the other characters gets teleported outside, maybe Ganon teleported too somehow. He just appears with the horse, well, the scene.
Originally posted by TacDavey
What? When did it say he didn't have his power?
Ganondorf only gained the Triforce afrer he was stabbed. Did you see the part where he died? Then, of course, the Triforce of Power manifests itself and Ganondorf, outright ignores the sword in his gut, pulling it out with no further injury. The he proceeds to break the chains that he couldn't break before his Power manifested.
Yet needs metal boots to wrestle Gorons. Is Ganon weaker than Gorons? It's an inconsistency.
It's really not, since Link is much lighter and able to be tossed around. The boots prevent Link from being tossed, and that's it. Overwise, he can do this:
0:50. The boots keep Link from being pushed back, but throwing that heavily armored Goron? That's all Link. He stops it, picks it up, and throws it. You don't think that's super strength?
The Mask is gameplay mechanics. It's been some time since I played Majora's Mask. Video's for the other two?
4:20 for falling.
No he hasn't. He didn't have super strength in Wind Waker. The thing that made the difference between fight one and fight two was nothing more than the Master Sword getting it's power back.
9:57.
Because this bothers me...
I was told that the yellow thing is Ganon, right? Okay. Thing is, we never see if he actually gets hit by the castle or not, the other characters gets teleported outside, maybe Ganon teleported too somehow. He just appears with the horse, well, the scene.
While the science in me wants to agree with that he's being smothered by the fiction guy. With that formula Spidey wouldn't be in a large deal of pain from a bullet or knife if he can get hit with super strength without much trouble.
Hmm, so TPDorf would've been dead if his alt self touched the triforce like a min later.. I blame Link for that >__>
Obey the science guy. 😐 The fiction guy accepts the existance of mutated anthropomorphic turtles practiced in the methods of Japanese assassins led by a rat, in their teens. He's clearly bonkers.
In seriousness, the majority of your examples are easily cleared up and obey the scientific law of "sharp = better", without any indication of seperate durabilities, there are no seperate durabilities scientificly, and Zelda never displays seperate durabilities, assuming them is.. Well. 😐 Bonkers.