Originally posted by NemeBro
[B]Bullets still harm him,
And yet they do nothing. Emphasis, the compelte lack of a bullet wound on his face after he fell off the plane.
the RPGs killed him,
This fight scene disagrees with you biiiitch aaaaasssssss nuggaaaa!
Way to nitpick my post, you clearly lack a real argument. 🙂
When are you gonna learn that I'm just better than you at everything except sucking? 313
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Or Lloyd pulled the sword out and blocked it, hence why it looks the way it does when it connects with him. And, he'd have to put his sword in front of it to slash it as well so...And his position really doesn't indicate anything, except we can't see shit.I'd say poor cat, right before I pulled out my keyblade, healed it, and then proceeded to pummel you for not defending the cat. You know why I can do this? Because surviving electrocution means nothing unless someone you fight actually uses lightning. Lloyd blocks lightning with his sword, so he does not have electrocution protection. And the lightning did not send Corrine flying so it clearly does not carry much force behind it. It's a good feat for reaction but that is it. /[b]Discussion
.Oh, the good ol' power scaling method. How flawed it can be at times. Shadow Link is pretty tough, but Ganondorf is tougher. Link can beat Ganondorf, so Link>Ganondorf>Shadow Link?
Nah, Link is clearly just lifting. /chidish.[/B]
Okay, since we're going in circles I see no reason in further discussing this, after all we are repeating ourselves and I'm pretty sure you don't want this to continue. So we'll have to agree to disagree. For you Lloyd blocked the attacks, he used no strength to parry them and the attacks were weak because they killed a character resembling a normal fox. And for me, he deflected them with quick slashes displaying a nice strength/endurance feat. Is that good for you? And yeah, I conceded the argument about Link using the GGs. I had to, they provided what I needed. And please don't get mad at me, these are just videogame discussions, mate. (Just in case you are). Just relax.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh no, I will not accept your theories over what happened. Midna destroyed the castle in an attempt to kill Ganondorf. Midna teleported Link and Zelda outside. She most certainly did not teleport Ganondorf. Oh, and we know that Ganondorf did not simply leave Midna because we then see him crush the Fused Shadow she has been wearing as a headress the entire game.
Why Ganon had a different form? And when he did summon the horse? I never saw that happening. In fact, he could have transformed when the castle exploded and somehow he protected himself with a magic spell. The explosion is the result of the attack collapsing, correct? I can accept what you say because I'm not familiar with the game nor anything, I don't know anything about Zelda. But in fact you can't say what Ganon did, simply because we never see anything. We don't see anything at all, bro.
And seriously... we ended up using all the Zelda games when Tac said this was just Ocarina of Time, man.
'k, how about this:
YouTube video
I'm not entirely sure how you'd go about quantifying something like this, but see 5:25. Ganondorf proceeds to disintegrate the top floor of the tower, with Link right there. When it's over there are broken pillars and everything, yet Link is completely unharmed.
For Ganondorf's durability, 6:35 to about 8:30 involves Ganondorf ending up under the ruins of his castle. When he emerges, he is unharmed, even smashing through some stone to get out.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. So you are saying that a sword is more effective than your bare hands? Wow, real impressive revelation there, sport.
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. I am not sure what you are referring to. Kratos and Zeus are roughly as physically powerful, and both have managed to harm eachother bare-handed, let alone with blades, let alone with blades as awesome in power as the Blade of Olympus.
Originally posted by NemeBro
3. Dude, he did not stab himself with the Keyblade, he unlocked his Heart. There is a vaguely homoerotic reason for that. Oh, and Keyblades have magical cutting powers beyond that of normal blades. Context is everything, and a Keyblade is a powerful weapon.
Originally posted by NemeBro
4. Examples please? Sufficiently powerful characters in SF cannot be harmed by bullets at all, basically anyone Juri/Evil Ryu level or up. People below that level are generally not as strong. As for Tekken, Jin kind of took getting shot in the face. And by a bunch of other people. 😐 The fact that he did not die at all is pretty impressive, and Tekken power output is not as high as SF. Although I will admit Bryan Fury's presence adds a sort of inconsistency to the series.
Originally posted by NemeBro
5. Stabbed with little effort by Vamp, who is shown to be physically a match for Raiden.
Originally posted by NemeBro
6. Cloud was shot by a magic bullet... And they get stabbed by people at or above them in power.
Originally posted by NemeBro
7. Avatar I do not care to address.
Originally posted by NemeBro
8. Show me Inuyasha getting injured by normal arrows wielded by human beings. They break on his skin IIRC, as do their swords. I am admittedly ashamed that I know that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
9. Specific Sonic example?
Originally posted by NemeBro
10. He was shot once in the beginning of the game when he was weaker, and once when he allowed the General to believe he was that Colonel.
Originally posted by NemeBro
11. Luffy is made of rubber, and as such blunt forces cannot really harm him. Yusuke? When? If that is true, that is a massive inconsistency, and not the rule. Dante has always been mostly regen. Wesker does not have particularly high durability in general, tbh. Too lazy to address other examples.
Point of all this is to show that on a line of someones durability, what they take as blunt force compared to their blade/bulllet resistance doesnt always match up with other characters from the same or different fictions. A 50 tonner can be shot as easily as a half tonner depending on the character and verse.
what they take as blunt force compared to their blade/bulllet resistance
Especially for characters who don't display this inconsistency, there's no reason to assume there's an extra "durability stat" that doesn't exist, it's illogical, ignores physics, and, I'll be blunt, is nothing but another attempt to downplay Link. 😐
Edit: I'm gonna do some math, can I see a strength feat from Lloyd?
He cuts through a skeletons arm at the beginning. It's actually not to bad a feat all things considered.
Edit: Also, Edward Cullen can kill Ganondorf. awesome
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelNot with the power to repel evil. And even if it did he lacks any ability to use it properly. And he can't use the master sword, or even wield it, being that the sword is sentient, it's not going to allow an emo vampire to sully it's heroic legacy with his sparkling nonsense.
No, like :07 ish.Edit: He has a sword that sparkles. vin
Rewatched vid, I see it now.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not with the power to repel evil. And even if it did he lacks any ability to use it properly. And he can't use the master sword, or even wield it, being that the sword is sentient, it's not going to allow an emo vampire to sully it's heroic legacy with his sparkling nonsense.Rewatched vid, I see it now.
It repels the evil known as character flaws. 😛
So....math it. *points*
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
They're the same resistance. THE SAME. Unless otherwise stated, like for characters like Luffy or Wonder Woman, they're both expressions of p/si. At best what you have are inconsistencies that depend on the writer. 😬Especially for characters who don't display this inconsistency, there's no reason to assume there's an extra "durability stat" that doesn't exist, it's illogical, ignores physics, and, I'll be blunt, is nothing but another attempt to downplay Link. 😐
Edit: I'm gonna do some math, can I see a strength feat from Lloyd?
Quickly address before flying off. If you bothered to read that correctly you'd see that I already stated that they're the same, just don't match up the same with every character. If a two equal people in a verse can take class100 hits but one of them gets shot, is it better to assume that the other can be shot or not to as we haven't seen it happen?
Youre relaying the same things I said to you a few posts ago lol and 'another attempt to downplay Link'? Oh yeah, infact I say awake for hours on end pondering ways to downplay him, my oh my what a thorn in my side that green elf is D:...... that or no. Something doesn't make sense, you want to correct it. You guys need to stop taking things so personally and seriously~
The maximum tensile strength of bone is 121 j/mm^2, let's be supar generous and give the damaged bone(s) and combined cross-section 1 meter in diameter.
A =Pi*r^2
A =Pi * 2500 cm
A = 7853.98 cm/78539.8 mm
78539 x 121 joules = 950 331.7
This comes to 950 kJ as the maximum demonstrable cutting power on Lloyd's blade. IE, all of his strength focused on a few milimetres.
Less than a van in motion. Lloyd based on this feat cannot cut Link.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: Also, Edward Cullen can kill Ganondorf. awesome
I disagree. Sparkles alone are not enough. Also, when did Edward get a sword? I thought it was just their bodies, but I admit to avoiding the series.
I do know that burning a Twilight Vampire is one of the few ways to kill them, though. And Ganondorf can set things on fire with his mind.
Oh yeah, infact I say awake for hours on end pondering ways to downplay him, my oh my what a thorn in my side that green elf is D:
Link's a Hylian, not an Elf. I will not allow this slander to continue. 😉
Originally posted by GrieverSquallWhy Ganon had a different form? Well, were I to make a guess, I would say it is likely because he is a shapeshifter. 😐 Not sure what you are trying to ask me there. When did he summon the horse? Before he appeared to Link and friends, since it disappeared after Ganondorf fell off of it we know it is not normal. He could have protected himself with the spell? Well, or, he could have absorbed the majority of the blast into his urethra before expelling it to the 2434535345th dimension where it proceeded to take the form of a horny goblin named Jeffrey. That is why we do not deal in "he coulds" my friend. The attack collapsing? Not sure what you mean. And yes I can. Ganondorf was in the castle when it exploded, which was the result of Midna's attempt to destoy him, and not only do we know it failed, we know Ganondorf was there when it happened because we know he easily bested Midna and crushed her Fused Shadow.
Why Ganon had a different form? And when he did summon the horse? I never saw that happening. In fact, he could have transformed when the castle exploded and somehow he protected himself with a magic spell. The explosion is the result of the attack collapsing, correct? I can accept what you say because I'm not familiar with the game nor anything, I don't know anything about Zelda. But in fact you can't say what Ganon did, simply because we never see anything. We don't see anything at all, bro.And seriously... we ended up using all the Zelda games when Tac said this was just Ocarina of Time, man.
Ganondorf is the same character in all games.
Originally posted by BloodRain1. Only since the sword can cut them, it clearly is not a lesser thing. 🙂 Technology in Dragon Ball is pretty high up there.
No Im saying characters that can take getting smacked through cliffs and large explosions get cut by lesser things. Establishing the gap/distance on the durability.This most likely follows the normal sword/fist rule, cant recall why I thought it proves the gap thing.. eh may remember another time.
Their strength still comes from the user. Yeah but he still had to push the tip into his chest to do it.
Bullet are still threatening to mid powerful characters and they'd be taking much more force from punched, iirc even Ryu or someone in a film was threatened with gun or shot.
With bullets and throwing knives being a threat.
It said they they're magic bullets or significantly >normal ones? I know the ones that soldier use are normal.
Deal.
Note most of this info is being given by my sister so I cant give certainty, couldn't get past the first ep. Apparently he gets cut up alot and not always by super strong people. 'Cut by someones hair' too, guessing demon. One thing I do know is that the arrow he was shot with was only enhanced with binding magic. Then again the swords breaking on the skin probably takes this.
Is being a bit of an effort to find. In the comics though that french weasel.. the guy with a rapier even with his average to below average strength in the sonic verse is able to pose a threat if he has a sword up to someone. Later on when he becomes a swordmaster he's more threatening to others. He strength even with a blade would be below reentry sonic, and the comics show far better feats in durability then the games.
Even at the start he could tank his apartment exploding. And yeah, the scene when he was shot by the General.
Was just stating an example said before. Friend told me about Yusuke, may try to pin it down. Beowulf, Savior and Nero punching him had nothing to do with regen. Weskers the lowest example tbh.
Point of all this is to show that on a line of someones durability, what they take as blunt force compared to their blade/bulllet resistance doesnt always match up with other characters from the same or different fictions. A 50 tonner can be shot as easily as a half tonner depending on the character and verse.
2. Not a normal sword though... Zeus and Kratos have only stabbed or cut eachother with Divine blades.
3. Only that is not how it works at all. Since it literally went through him, it did not cut him, it was not a physical cut at all.
4. What makes you say that? The gap between characters like E. Honda and Akuma is gigantic, do not assume so readily that there is an inconsistency because the lower level characters are threatened by bullets.
5. Bullets from who? Keep in mind that bullets in MGS are not always the same as the ones IRL. Snake has a portable railgun for instance. And the throwing knives were throwb by Vamp.
6. The soldiers? Who, you mean the SOLDIERs? That shot Zack? The elite group of super soldiers using materia to amplify the power of their firearms? Oh, and keep in mind the technology present in FFVII.
7. Mostly because I had no idea what you were talking about in terms of Avatar.
8. I remember the hair demon, Yagura or something like that. Supernatural DEMON hair wielded by a super strong demon. God I hate that I know this. I cannot recall him being cut by anyone below superhuman. Kikyo's arrows are sacred, as in demons or half demons are weak to them. Normal human blades are casually caught with one hand by Inuyasha. NOW STOP MAKING ME SHOW OFF INUYASHA KNOWLEDGE.
9. Man I do not give a SHIT about the Sonic comics. DO NOT BRING THEM UP.
10. The apartment explosion was not all that, bullets breaking the skin is not inconsistent with that. And he allowed it to happen while disguised.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Why Ganon had a different form? Well, were I to make a guess, I would say it is likely because he is a shapeshifter. 😐 Not sure what you are trying to ask me there. When did he summon the horse? Before he appeared to Link and friends, since it disappeared after Ganondorf fell off of it we know it is not normal. He could have protected himself with the spell? Well, or, he could have absorbed the majority of the blast into his urethra before expelling it to the 2434535345th dimension where it proceeded to take the form of a horny goblin named Jeffrey. That is why we do not deal in "he coulds" my friend. The attack collapsing? Not sure what you mean. And yes I can. Ganondorf was in the castle when it exploded, which was the result of Midna's attempt to destoy him, and not only do we know it failed, we know Ganondorf was there when it happened because we know he easily bested Midna and crushed her Fused Shadow.
I will concede the point to you, because this thread is basically done. I guess Lloyd hasn't enough feats to match Link's anyway, at least not in strength. I guess Lloyd can slash some lightning attacks but at this rate that proves absolutely nothing, so yeah. You have it, bro.