Lloyd Irving vs Link

Started by TacDavey39 pages

Guh... This thread is becoming ridiculous. Though... I don't actually know of any thread on KMC that doesn't.

To say that Link bounces swords off of him is just silly. Even if his durability is higher than an average humans, that doesn't mean he is completely invincible. Stalfos still pose a threat to him, as do all other enemies in Legend of Zelda, and they don't have super de duper strength.

Lloyd jumps off of cliffs all the time with no problem what so ever, so Link falling and getting knocked out is less of a feat.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Guh... This thread is becoming ridiculous. Though... I don't actually know of any thread on KMC that doesn't.

To say that Link bounces swords off of him is just silly. Even if his durability is higher than an average humans, that doesn't mean he is completely invincible. Stalfos still pose a threat to him, as do all other enemies in Legend of Zelda, and they don't have super de duper strength.

Lloyd jumps off of cliffs all the time with no problem what so ever, so Link falling and getting knocked out is less of a feat.

Indeed. Mostly the math that irritates me.

Situation depends actually, in my opinion.

Considering there are no cliffs nearby for either to use to their advantage, the cliff jumping feat is only good for speed.

Link still wins via Deku nut guys.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. Mostly the math that irritates me.

I know. Trying to mathematically explain a magical fantasy game...

Hey, that rhymed. 😄

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Situation depends actually, in my opinion.

What do you mean?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Considering there are no cliffs nearby for either to use to their advantage, the cliff jumping feat is only good for speed.

Speed an agility. Lloyd can jump around like a super rabbit. Link can't much jump at all. There is also something to be said about their physical abilities to be able to survive a fall like that completely unharmed.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Link still wins via Deku nut guys.

They emit a bright flash that blinds you for a second. They don't freeze you and turn you blue, you know. Lloyd would also have to be looking into the flash.

Originally posted by TacDavey
I know. Trying to mathematically explain a magical fantasy game...

Mathematics can be applied to everything. It is the basis on which everything stand. All you have to do to get going, is know the numbers.

Originally posted by TacDavey
They emit a bright flash that blinds you for a second. They don't freeze you and turn you blue, you know. Lloyd would also have to be looking into the flash.

Blinding your opponent for however brief a time is still a very valuable ability to have.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]Mathematics can be applied to everything. It is the basis on which everything stand. All you have to do to get going, is know the numbers. [/B]

Except magic. 😮

Originally posted by TacDavey
They emit a bright flash that blinds you for a second. They don't freeze you and turn you blue, you know. Lloyd would also have to be looking into the flash.

YouTube video

4:55

They let you be a ninja.

Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube video

4:55

They let you be a ninja.

Now how Nemesis got chewed out for calling Sheik a ninja and you didn't? >.>

Edit.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Except magic. 😮

Even magic is calculable, just give me the numbers.

Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]Even magic is calculable, just give me the numbers. [/B]

Magic tends not to come with those. 😐

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now how Nemesis got chewed out for calling Sheik a ninja and you didn't? >.>

I didn't say Sheik was a ninja, just that deku nuts let you act like one. Via paralyzing everything long enough to disappear/kill them.

Also, give it time, it's hardly been an hour.

Edit: Hey, Scream got numbers for Ganondorf's lightning.

That makes the presentation the problem, not the fact that it's magic. Calculations can be made, for as long as you've got the numbers. Mathematics can be applied to everything. Fantasy or not, game or not.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Guh... This thread is becoming ridiculous. Though... I don't actually know of any thread on KMC that doesn't.

To say that Link bounces swords off of him is just silly. Even if his durability is higher than an average humans, that doesn't mean he is completely invincible. Stalfos still pose a threat to him, as do all other enemies in Legend of Zelda, and they don't have super de duper strength.

Lloyd jumps off of cliffs all the time with no problem what so ever, so Link falling and getting knocked out is less of a feat.

I see you ignored my post. Can I accept this as a concession then?

Why? Depending on the wielder, it is not silly at all. Stalfos don't have super strength? Why not? I mean, besides you saying so? If they can hurt Link, they have super strength. Despite the fact that that is one of your beloved gameplay mechanics you enjoy bringing up.

Yeah man cause jumping off a cliff compares at all to being sent down to Earth by Majora's destruction of the moon which sent Link plummeting down to Earth. Laughable.

Indeed. Mostly the math that irritates me

HEY, you're the one who pointed me in the direction of Lloyd's feat for mathing. >=(
I know. Trying to mathematically explain a magical fantasy game...

So, rather than relying on concrete numbers, we should use wild mass guessing about what you "feel" is correct? No. 😛 Just no.
Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]Mathematics can be applied to everything. It is the basis on which everything stand. All you have to do to get going, is know the numbers. [/B]

<3
Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]That makes the presentation the problem, not the fact that it's magic. Calculations can be made, for as long as you've got the numbers. Mathematics can be applied to everything. Fantasy or not, game or not. [/B]

Speed an agility. Lloyd can jump around like a super rabbit. Link can't much jump at all. There is also something to be said about their physical abilities to be able to survive a fall like that completely unharmed.

Speed which doesn't matter at all. Link is still a lightning timer, but that doesn't matter either, because Link has deku nuts and can one shot Lloyd who cannot even physicly harm Link.
Originally posted by Super Marie 64
[b]Even magic is calculable, just give me the numbers. [/B]
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Magic tends not to come with those. 😐

As Scenario mentioned, I got numbers for Ganondorf's lightning. It was possibly the most ridiculous math ever done on KMC, but it's accurate. Numbers are, and always will be, more reliable than a general impression or guess.
Yeah man cause jumping off a cliff compares at all to being sent down to Earth by Majora's destruction of the moon which sent Link plummeting down to Earth. Laughable.

Let's not forget that was Link in his weakest incarnation, as a child, without the ToC, who had not slept for atleast three days. ****, a nap was in order, regardless of the fall. haermm It does not in anyway diminish Link's showings as an adult. Also, if Tac is so bent on using gameplay, let's include:

Link can survive hits from Moblins so strong that they can shake the ground by striking it, and Ganon himself, who shatters stone and sends Link flying all the way across the battleground until he hits something. ect.

These are just a little inconsistent with Tac's claims of "falling damage". 😬

The facts are, Link is too durable for Lloyd to harm, and can kill him in one hit, which Lloyd cannot stop from happening, because no matter how much he attacks Link, he achieves nothing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
HEY, you're the one who pointed me in the direction of Lloyd's feat for mathing. >=(

Numbers are, and always will be, more reliable than a general impression or guess.

You wanted to math a strength feat of Lloyd, so I pointed you in the direction of one. I never said I really cared about your math. 😮

You guessed at the length of the floor.

But now that I have a reliable formula, the size of the floor can be easily determined and it's effect on the numbers is easy to see. If you watch the video, I wasn't far off, the sections of floor clearly have longer sides than Link is tall, while probably not being quite as thick as his height, it doesn't matter, really.

Playing tennis with 6-12 tons/whatever is more proof if Link's super human strength, among other things. XP

Quantifying Lloyd's strength allows us to see whether he's within the range required to harm a character. He wasn't in this case. It's all just a lot better than guessing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
But now that I have a reliable formula, the size of the floor can be easily determined and it's effect on the numbers is easy to see. If you watch the video, I wasn't far off, the sections of floor clearly have longer sides than Link is tall, while probably not being quite as thick as his height, it doesn't matter, really.

Playing tennis with 6-12 tons/whatever is more proof if Link's super human strength, among other things. XP

Quantifying Lloyd's strength allows us to see whether he's within the range required to harm a character. He wasn't in this case. It's all just a lot better than guessing.

It's 6 tons. SIX!!!!11!!1!

I suppose. Still find it irritating. But hey, it's your time you're using to do the math, so I suppose I can't complain. 😛

So, rather than relying on concrete numbers, we should use wild mass guessing about what you "feel" is correct? No. 😛 Just no.

Well... that would make sense. Something that most people on here don't feel comfortable admitting, I think, is that just about every "mathematical equation" presented on this forum is bullshit, because in order for the answer to be valid, it would depend on all of the variables that the equation is calculated from being similar to the ones in real life. For example, you can calculate Link's strength based upon the rock he is shown carrying. You calculate the weight of the rock by gauging how much a rock of that size would weigh in real life, but you can not possibly know for sure that that rock is made of the same stuffs that our Earthen rocks are made of. It can have entirely different properties, because it exists in a universe that doesn't necessarily follow the sames rules as our own to begin with.

1. Occam's razor.
2. Nothing ever indicates physics different from our own.
3. Fundamental constants say hi.
4. Still better than Wild Mass Guessing.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
1. Occam's razor.
2. Nothing ever indicates physics different from our own.
3. Fundamental constants say hi.
4. Still better than Wild Mass Guessing.

I will address this school of foolishness when I come back from this wild sex party I am attending. uhuh

... it's not really a wild sex party. I'm going to work. 🙁