Originally posted by NephthysHow about an explanation for Ganondorf using a slowed down less effective attack on purpose? 😛
It is lightning and it is a ball. What more support do you need? 😛
Or evidence that the dev team even knows what it is. What other shape could a reflectable projectile take? This shape persists in modern gaming!
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeAlso this. 😐
Sweet. Black hole making Ganondorf.
How about an explanation for Ganondorf using a slowed down less effective attack on purpose? 😛Or evidence that the dev team even knows what it is. What other shape could a reflectable projectile take? This shape persists in modern gaming!
Um, no. 😐
Why the **** do I have to explain why something happens? All I have to do is prove that something happens, I don't have to speculate as to the purpose of it, postulate a freakin reason for it or conjure up an explanation from the developers on it. That has nothing to do with the goddamn feat. It. Happens. I have proven that it happens. If you want I can draw you a diagram of it happening. This is the only thing that should be valid for consideration.
You really want a freakin reason? PIS. Why the hell didn't Kain spam the **** out of his teleport in his fight with Raziel? PIS. Why the hell doesn't Sephiroth just immobilise the party with TK again in teh final fight? PIS. Why does Irenicus disintergrate Cowled wizards but not your party? PIS.
PIS. PIS. PI****ingS. That is the only reason I'm ever going to give you because I do not need to give you one. Period.
Also this. 😐
Explain this reference to me.
Why the **** do I have to explain why something happens? All I have to do is prove that something happens, I don't have to speculate as to the purpose of it, postulate a freakin reason for it or conjure up an explanation from the developers on it. That has nothing to do with the goddamn feat.Except your entire stance is conjecture based on a gameplay representation. So, you do need a valid reason. Since the ball-shaped-projectile has been a stand in for everything from lightning to bullets to plasma to lasers since 1984 or something, and is still in use today.
It's still lightning, and Link still reflects it, and the devs still are unlikely to even know what ball-lightning is, since modern science doesn't understand it, and the game's from 1998.
Except your entire stance is conjecture based on a gameplay representation. So, you do need a valid reason. Since the ball-shaped-projectile has been a stand in for everything from lightning to bullets to plasma to lasers since 1984 or something, and is still in use today.
How is it conjecture? It is a ball. Fact. It is lightning (electricity). Fact. It is Ball Lightning. Fact. There is literally nothing except for bullshit speculation disproving these three things.
Originally posted by NephthysThis is speculation because that's just a gameplay representation and Ganondorf has consistently used full speed lightning, including against Link. The only time it takes this form is when Link actually reflects it. IE, it's a gameplay mechanic.
How is it conjecture? It is a ball. Fact. It is lightning (electricity). Fact. It is Ball Lightning. Fact. There is literally nothing except for bullshit speculation disproving these three things.
There's nothing supporting that it is ball lightning, you're clinging to the gameplay mechanic.
This is speculation because that's just a gameplay representation
The entire goddamn feat happens in gameplay. What representation do you want me to base my conclusion on, your mums!?
Seriously, how the **** else are we meant to judge this feat if not in gameplay? We might as well throw the entire thing away if thats your stance.
Ganondorf has consistently used full speed lightning, including against Link.
As I recall you still havn't actually posted a shred of evidence about this yet. The only things you could come up with was when he possessed someone and that he can make storm clouds.
There's nothing supporting that it is ball lightning, you're clinging to the gameplay mechanic.
It is a ball and it is lightning. There is nothing else we need supporting it.
@MooCow
Wow. I've explained it twice. Did you even try to read them?
I did, but I failed to see the logic behind, 'if ganon can use ball lightning he can use black holes.'
The entire goddamn feat happens in gameplay. What representation do you want me to base my conclusion on, your mums!?How about with Ganondorf's canon abilities in mind? Sort of like how bullets in games are often quite slow, but we know they're still bullets.Seriously, how the **** else are we meant to judge this feat if not in gameplay? We might as well throw the entire thing away if thats your stance.
As I recall you still havn't actually posted a shred of evidence about this yet. The only things you could come up with was when he possessed someone and that he can make storm clouds.Aganihm, who was Ganon's weaker alter ego, not a possessed person, Four Swords games, which predate OoT, OoT itself, ect.
One explanation, one of the popular ones, for Ball lightning is small blackholes, Neph.
Then you didn't read worth a shit. One of the Hypotheses (because nobody knows what the hell causes it anyway) requires the presence of a primordial black hole to create the phenomena of ball lightning. And these things are not just wherever Ganon and Link happen to find themselves. For them to be around every time, he'd have to create them.
No wait, let me see if I understand your logic correctly:
The attack being circular (i.e. a ball) and its movement speed are elements that occur within gameplay.
Gameplay is inadmissable as evidence.
Therefore I cannot use the fact that it is a ball or that it doesn't move anywhere even close to the speed of lightning as evidence of it being ball lightning as opposed to its more generic variety.
Ok, if that the case then:
Factors indicating it being lightning (it crackles and shit) only occur within gameplay.
Gameplay is inadmissable as evidence.
Therefore you cannot prove that it was even lightning in the first place.
And it gets better:
Ganon even using the attack is something that only happens within gameplay.
Gameplay is inadmissable as evidence.
Therefore they didn't actually fight at all, but rather sat around and played some Saduko instead.
Suddenly I understand everything. 'o'
Then you didn't read worth a shit. One of the Hypotheses (because nobody knows what the hell causes it anyway) requires the presence of a primordial black hole to create the phenomena of ball lightning. And these things are not just wherever Ganon and Link happen to find themselves. For them to be around every time, he'd have to create them.
Wow, I like how that actually happens on-screen. As opposed to Ganon just summoning the stuff out of thin air. I mean, its nice that Zeldas so damn scientific as to incorporate these complex theories into a world where trees can talk. I mean they've never bent the laws of physics even once. Toonforce? What the **** is that shit, eh?
Originally posted by NephthysOh look, a strawman argument.
No wait, let me see if I understand your logic correctly:The attack being circular (i.e. a ball) and its movement speed are elements that occur within gameplay.
Gameplay is inadmissable as evidence.
Therefore I cannot use the fact that it is a ball or that it doesn't move anywhere even close to the speed of lightning as evidence of it being ball lightning as opposed to its more generic variety.Ok, if that the case then:
Factors indicating it being lightning (it crackles and shit) only occur within gameplay.
Gameplay is inadmissable as evidence.
Therefore you cannot prove that it was even lightning in the first place.And it gets better:
Ganon even using the attack is something that only happens within gameplay.
Gameplay is inadmissable as evidence.
Therefore they didn't actually fight at all, but rather sat around and played some Saduko instead.Suddenly I understand everything. 'o'
Again, take the canon of the games into account and you get:
-Ganondorf uses full speed lightning, gameplay does not override canon.
No actually, that is literally what is happening. You are literally claiming that I can't support my theory because the evidence occurs within gameplay, whilst your own theories evidence also occurs within gameplay. So yeah, not really seeing how thats a strawman at all.
Prove its lightning-based at all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Wow, I like how that actually happens on-screen. As opposed to Ganon just summoning the stuff out of thin air. I mean, its nice that Zeldas so damn scientific as to incorporate these complex [b]theories into a world where trees can talk. I mean they've never bent the laws of physics even once. Toonforce? What the **** is that shit, eh? [/B]
A primordial black hole would not be visible to the naked eye.
You're the fool that wants to explain it away as ball lightning. And now that we've decided to accept the possibility you ***** about the science of it?
A primordial black hole would not be visible to the naked eye.You're the fool that wants to explain it away as ball lightning. And now that we've decided to accept the possibility you ***** about the science of it?
Look, does it really matter? Wiki says that these 'primordial black holes' are so pathetically weak that if one travelled through earth at best it would upset a few nucleons. So yeah, I'm sure I'll be able to sleep at night by giving Ganon that mighty power. 🙄
Originally posted by Nephthys
No actually, that is literally what is happening. You are literally claiming that I can't support my theory because the evidence occurs within gameplay, [b]whilst your own theories evidence also occurs within gameplay. So yeah, not really seeing how thats a strawman at all.Prove its lightning-based at all. [/B]
Are you actually going to provide anyg feats for Lloyd of just continually try to downplay the opposition? Seriously? Until feats are shown for Lloyd, Link wins. Plain and simple.
No, I'm telling you the canon of the games includes full speed lightning, the gameplay appearance of an attack does not override this.
So what you're saying is that in scenarios and scenes completely seperate from this one, lightning has been used.
Well woopdido. How does this have anything to do ith this scene?
Prove that the attack was lightning-based or kindly drop the point.
Are you actually going to provide anyg feats for Lloyd of just continually try to downplay the opposition? Seriously? Until feats are shown for Lloyd, Link wins. Plain and simple.
At what point did you fall under the misrepresentation that I was arguing Lloyd vs Link? My argument has always been concerned with that one feat.
Two black holes can come together and keep adding to the size of them. It doesn't take a large black hole to suck in a person. If I recall, a BH the size of a marble has the mass of Earth. That would do just fine.
Well since there were no affects of a black hole present during the fight then we can gather that either Ganon isn't using black holes (he might, idk, be using magic perhaps?) can't create enough of an effect to do this or just isn't skilled enough to.
Basically he hasn't done shit with black holes so it's pretty useless giving them to him.