Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Uhh, right. Except they aren't lightning bolts.Once again, you're using developers intentions as defense. As I said before, I see no reason to think that the developers had to intentionally slow down the attack for the players. There is no indication of such, there's no factual evidence indicating what you suggest. That fight takes place in real time as far as everything goes. In fact, I'm not even using any argument to combat yours, as I do not need to. I mean... I don't have to prove that a magical floating sphere which moves at normal speed is a magical floating sphere which moves at normal speed.
YOU must back up your claims. You must prove that a magical sphere that floats through air and can be reflected back and forth by sword's swings is actually a lightning bolt that moves so fast that is not even visible. The burden of proof is on you. And for the record, just because something has sparks effects placed on it, does not necessarily means it will move a lightning speed.
Anyway. As for your point concerning other games having lightning attacks, it does not serve to validate your stance. I reiterate, if they had lightning attacks in previous games, and players still played without problems, then I cannot understand your concept of having this game slowed down for the players. The answer to this is actually easy, they aren't the same attacks. Furthermore, Tac mentioned there is an enemy called 'Barinade' which actually uses electric attacks in the game, but according to you and for some odd reason electric attacks became floating spheres in this fight.
Tac, Neph, linkownsyoursobs and I gave enough reasons to invalidate your points in previous pages. But instead of responding to the current refutations, the only thing you've been doing is bringing up them again. That is usually called argumentum ad nauseam. Trying to prove something by stating it again and again. But repeating yourself, won't make your argument more nor less valid than before.
And we're not ''downplaying'' anything, why everyone gets mad and brings up that term when someone is simply disagreeing with an argument? Saying 'Link wins' does not make it be, that is NOT how debates works, ScreamPaste. You gave reasons in past pages to think Link was probably strong enough to be able defeat Lloyd, or at least to assume he could do it. But we all gave more than enough reasons to think otherwise, mostly Tac in his first post page number 5. You know, the one you evidently failed to refute. And that's still ignoring the fact that you're using a gameplay fight to draw a ''feat'' from it.
Cite developer intentions in my post?
I cite
1. Canon
2. Canon
😐 Your "refutation" is nothing but denial and speculation based on gameplay speed as I keep telling you. Gameplay speed is NOT representative of actual speed 90% of the time in games.
I've already proven this point. Ganon's lightning attacks are always full speed unless Link needs to reflect them, ergo: Ganon canonicly has full speed lightning. Therefore, when he uses a lightning attack ---??? Fill in the blanks, boyo. You have not refuted this point, come back with something viable.
Holy shit, dude, reading comprehension. 😐 You mean the times where Link didn't need to reflect them? Link dodged Barinade's lightning. He reflected Ganondorf's. It would really help if you'd played the game.
And you do the same, repeat yourself, rephrasing the same dead, invalid, gameplay points over, and over. There is no argument here, you cite gameplay, I cite canon. You claim Ganon was using a different lightning attack than his full speed one, you need to prove that, which you can't, and explain why Ganon would use an inferior attack on purpose, which you can't, AND is extremely convoluted, Occam's razor: The attack we see is lightning, ----> ???? Fill it in again.
Saying 'Link wins' does not make it be, that is NOT how debates works, ScreamPaste. You gave reasons in past pages to think Link was probably strong enough to be able defeat Lloyd, or at least to assume he could do it. But we all gave more than enough reasons to think otherwise, mostly Tac in his first post page number 5. You know, the one you evidently failed to refute. And that's still ignoring the fact that you're using a gameplay fight to draw a ''feat'' from it.
I'm not claiming Link wins, I'm telling you that until Lloyd has feats, Link wins. IE, go get some feats rather than sit around trying to disregard Link's. We know Link's speed, strength, and durability.
Lloyd so far has
-A reaction feat.
-Has no strength feat to harm Link
-No durability feat to survive a hit from Link
Go get feats, or concede the argument.
I responded to Tac's post, and guess what? It was more of the same. He looked at the gameplay decided it was > the canon.
His argument summed up is: The gameplay attack is in ball form, time appears to be moving at full speed (In Zelda games it always is, even when time is slowed, there is no slomo), Ganon TOTALLY must have made up and used an inferior attack on the spot!
Wtf? No. Go get feats for Lloyd to support that he can win, or concede. THAT is how a debate works. You do not sit around all day plugging your ears and covering your eyes perpetually ignoring things you don't like.