Bronze Tiger vs Steve Rogers: H2H Only

Originally posted by jinzin
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Annnnnnnnd this is why I called you a troll....

I don't think you can just fake or stumble this kind of comedy, this is planned shit right here.

Nothing is more funny than how you think Batman isn't one of DC best martial artist. I guest Jinzin >>> DC Comics. Because that's not how they portray him. Also how you say it's a plot device, as if these characters lives aren't told through comics books. What happens is exactly how it was supposed to. Just like real life. If something you think shouldn't have happened the way it did. Why not call it a plot device, since everything is in God 's plan....

Originally posted by Marvelknight
I have more than that. I'm still buying new ones every chance I get. Yeah there are people who have more. And there are also people who don't even have 50 comic book. Just 1000 by its self is a lot to read. 😬

It's just, I've posted on boards where people had collections in the 20-30,000 thousand range. It always made my collection seem rather insignificant.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Nothing is more funny than how you think Batman isn't one of DC best martial artist. I guest Jinzin >>> DC Comics. Because that's not how they portray him. Also how you say it's a plot device, as if these characters lives aren't told through comics books. What happens is exactly how it was supposed to. Just like real life. If something you think shouldn't have happened the way it did. Why not call it a plot device, since everything is in God 's plan....

I'm gonna take a wild guess that you don't understand what a plot device IS....

If the only way to get DS away fom AM or Hal is to drop a roof on their heads... plot device.

What happens when there's an open arena with no roof to drop? You think DS is going to do hot there?

As for Batman... He isn't...

I mean, he is overall, but he's not an absolute top tier in contention for the number 1 spot in DC, nor is he even close for that matter... Cap is.. big difference.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm gonna take a wild guess that you don't understand what a plot device IS....

If the only way to get DS away fom AM or Hal is to drop a roof on their heads... plot device.

What happens when there's an open arena with no roof to drop? You think DS is going to do hot there?

As for Batman... He isn't...

I mean, he is overall, but he's not an absolute top tier in contention for the number 1 spot in DC, nor is he even close for that matter... Cap is.. big difference.

Batman is just as skilled as Cap. Batman has mastered every form of combat and has even stalemated 3boot Val, who is no slouch.

Who would make your top 10 MA in DC, Btw?

Right now in the current canon? Not sure. I think Batman would definitely be in that list be he isn't up for the number 1 spot.

He's not as skilled as Cap... if he was, he wouldn't have the issues he does with someone like Shiva given his armor, failsafes, weight, height, and reach advantages.

Though like Srank says about this fight, I DO think he's skilled enough to breifly contend with Cap on a near equal footing.... very breifly.

And, didn't batman get pieced in that fight? And disarmed on top of that?

I mean I know he hung... but only just. I seem to remember him taking the worst of it though.

Originally posted by jinzin
I'm gonna take a wild guess that you don't understand what a plot device IS....

If the only way to get DS away fom AM or Hal is to drop a roof on their heads... plot device.

What happens when there's an open arena with no roof to drop? You think DS is going to do hot there?

As for Batman... He isn't...

I mean, he is overall, but he's not an absolute top tier in contention for the number 1 spot in DC, nor is he even close for that matter... Cap is.. big difference.

You don't have to be #1 to be one of the best martial arts fighters in DC. He's in the top 10. That's good enough.

I know what plot device mean in the contexts you use it in. As I said, it's a story. The only opinions that truly matter are the minds at DC Comics. Who are we to say what should or shouldn't happen regarding something we didn't help create?

Originally posted by jinzin
Right now in the current canon? Not sure. I think Batman would definitely be in that list be he isn't up for the number 1 spot.

He's not as skilled as Cap... if he was, he wouldn't have the issues he does with someone like Shiva given his armor, failsafes, weight, height, and reach advantages.

Though like Srank says about this fight, I DO think he's skilled enough to breifly contend with Cap on a near equal footing.... very breifly.

Shiva is one of the absolute best, IMO. Also, just as skilled as Cap. It a version of PC Val that pretty much defeated Batman. 3boot was the one that fought him in the air and was stalemated by Bruce.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Batman is just as skilled as Cap. Batman has mastered every form of combat and has even stalemated 3boot Val, who is no slouch.

That wasn't Threeboot Val, who's still running around in his own universe/timeline. That was the current semi-based-on-Pre-Crisis Legion Val.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
You don't have to be #1 to be one of the best martial arts fighters in DC. He's in the top 10. That's good enough.

I know what plot device mean in the contexts you use it in. As I said, it's a story. The only opinions that truly matter are the minds at DC Comics. Who are we to say what should or shouldn't happen regarding something we didn't help create?

what really matters is h2h fights to use as examples free of plot devices and the ONE dictint and clear advantage BT brings to this fight that you have yet to produce.

Originally posted by Q99
That wasn't Threeboot Val, who's still running around in his own universe/timeline. That was the current semi-based-on-Pre-Crisis Legion Val.

Batman fought 3 boot Val in Brave and the Bold. The thing you are referring to was JLA/LOSH crossover.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva is one of the absolute best, IMO. Also, just as skilled as Cap. It a version of PC Val that pretty much defeated Batman. 3boot was the one that fought him in the air and was stalemated by Bruce.

Wait, you think Shiva and Batman are at the same level?

The only reason Batman isn't on Shiva's level, is because of his other jobs. Batman doesn't dedicate his whole life to fighting like Shiva, that is why she is better than him. However, if he did, it would be different.

Here's the thing. Marvel and DC have a very different approach to street level characters. DC's is largely focused on and around Batman, while Marvel's scpope is much, much broader, while at the same time more defined. Elektra, who isn't used often by Marvel's standards has more appearances than Bronze Tiger, Dragon and Shiva combined, and Iron Fist (also not used a lot by Marvel standards) has twice as many appearance as Eleckra. What this means is that Marvel allows other characters to have the spot light, while DC keeps there's largely focused on Batman. It would be a statiscal impossibility that the best fighter in DC would be the equal of the best fighter in Marvel.

Marvel has an answer or an analog for virtually all of the street level Martial Artists in DC... but the reverse is not true. DC has no answer for Captain America. No answer for Wolverine. No answer for Black Panther. And even in the analogs that do exist (Batman = Daredevil. Elektra = Shiva. Iron Fist = Richard Dragon), the Marvel characters always has a power or ability that would give them a sizable advantage in a fight. Marvel's street level sandbox is bigger than DC's and even in larger pool of more skilled characters with exotic abilities Captain America is still considered to be vying for the top spot. Steve Rogers is too much for Batman to handle. Too much for Shiva to handle. Too much for Bronze Tiger to handle.

Well yeah, but we're not talking hypotheticals here. 😕

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Here's the thing. Marvel and DC have a very different approach to street level characters. DC's is largely focused on and around Batman, while Marvel's scpope is much, much broader, while at the same time more defined. Elektra, who isn't used often by Marvel's standards has more appearances than Bronze Tiger, Dragon and Shiva combined, and Iron Fist (also not used a lot by Marvel standards) has twice as many appearance as Eleckra. What this means is that Marvel allows other characters to have the spot light, while DC keeps there's largely focused on Batman. It would be a statiscal impossibility that the best fighter in DC would be the equal of the best fighter in Marvel.

Marvel has an answer or an analog for virtually all of the street level Martial Artists in DC... but the reverse is not true. DC has no answer for Captain America. No answer for Wolverine. No answer for Black Panther. And even in the analogs that do exist (Batman = Daredevil. Elektra = Shiva. Iron Fist = Richard Dragon), the Marvel characters always has a power or ability that would give them a sizable advantage in a fight. Marvel's street level sandbox is bigger than DC's and even in larger pool of more skilled characters with exotic abilities Captain America is still considered to be vying for the top spot. Steve Rogers is too much for Batman to handle. Too much for Shiva to handle. Too much for Bronze Tiger to handle.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Batman is just as skilled as Cap. Batman has mastered every form of combat and has even stalemated 3boot Val, who is no slouch.

Who would make your top 10 MA in DC, Btw?

Too be fare 3-Boot Val is essentially Karnak. I think Cap would take him in h2h as well.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The only reason Batman isn't on Shiva's level, is because of his other jobs. Batman doesn't dedicate his whole life to fighting like Shiva, that is why she is better than him. However, if he did, it would be different.

I think Batman would take the majority from Shiva in a melee confrontation. She maybe slightly more skilled, but Bruce's physical attributes more than close the gab in my mind.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Turner ambushed Slade, Slade wasn't really even trying to fight him, and he still couldn't put him down. It's only impressive if we ignore the context of the "fight"

This is correct, but people refuse to read for some reason. Comics are more than just looking at the pictures.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think Batman would take the majority from Shiva in a melee confrontation. She maybe slightly more skilled, but Bruce's physical attributes more than close the gab in my mind.

in hth, Shiva would win, IMO. She's faced beings stronger than her before.