Bronze Tiger vs Steve Rogers: H2H Only

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I know everything about Bronze Tiger, there isn't a lot to know he has less than 200 appearances. A person could read everyone of his appearances in a single afternoon if they had the time. Just to save you the time here I have read EVERY appearance of EVERY street level MA, and the the high profiles ones. I have the internet, it isn't very hard to do.

You know everything and yet you base your opinion on how skilled Batman is, from what Oracle said. And you failed to mention or take into consideration how Shiva thrashed Conner, and has killed Cassandra in combat. She's also beaten Black Canary as well. But when she fought Bruce, it was nothing like her fights with the others. And I'm not even going to consider the outcome. Because Robin did interferer. And you say that Shiva was mind controlled in the second. Don't know why that would matter much. Because Bronze Tiger's mask is a form of mind control, and it didn't effect his fighting abilities at all when he fought Batman.

Batman still did far better than Cassandra, Conner and Canary against Shiva. And you think that they are more skilled than Bruce?? Well that's not going to help your credibility here.

And then you say that Bronze Tiger has never shown you anything, that proves that he has what it's takes??

Here is a depowered Slade (without prep)

Originally posted by namorsubby
Deathstroke The Terminator #13
He actually takes out a group of heroes before he comes into contact with these two, blocking ninja stars with his staff, and dodging gunfire. Anway, he basically just fights smart, suckering Lantern, blinding Aquaman, and then toppling a building on them while making his escape.



(note: It appears that Slade is still a slightly depowered as in Deathstroke The Terminator #10. He mentions not being as fast and strong as he used to be)

[QUOTE=12768969]Originally posted by namorsubby
[B]Deathstroke The Terminator #13

Deathstroke Vs. Wally West.

Wally at first gets the best of him, because he is obviously much faster(no one is insinuating that he isn't), but slade is fast enough to catch him off guard a few times and KO him

[QUOTE=12769691]Originally posted by namorsubby
[B]Superman V2 #68:

Evades Superman for a while.

Wonder Woman Vw #62a

Deathstroke Vs. Wonder Woman.

Goes one on one with her. WW is pulling punches though. It's even suggested that Slade may be faster than her. They fight for a while, then WW gets tired and puts him down.

(note😖lade is mentioned as having the strength of twenty men in this appearance) [/B][/QUOTE]

Here is Slade's fight with Bruce. (Slade is 100%)

Originally posted by namorsubby
Deathstroke The Terminator #7

Deathstroke Vs Batman

Batman contends for a moment, then is savagely beaten. Then he comes back for one last sucker, and gets KOed permamanently.
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Originally posted by joesha28
The Famous Bronze Tiger vs BATMAN...
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REMATCH! Even with prep... Batman could not beat him!
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And Finally here is Slade vs. Bronze Tiger

Originally posted by namorsubby
[i]Deathstroke Vs. Bronze Tiger

Deathstroke Vs. Deadshot(continued from BT fight)

Deathstroke has him at his mercy, but is distracted, shot, and "dies"
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http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/Deathstroke91/DeathStrokeT-41-25.jpg

And you tell me that Bronze Tiger doesn't have what it takes?? Yeah I rest my case....

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wonder Woman Vw #62a

Deathstroke Vs. Wonder Woman.

Goes one on one with her. WW is pulling punches though. It's even suggested that Slade may be faster than her. They fight for a while, then WW gets tired and puts him down.

(note😖lade is mentioned as having the strength of twenty men in this appearance)

This is during one of WW's less powerful eras, but even given that it's still darned impressive.

America, F@ck Yeah!

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm too lazy to read through this thread. Are people actually debating Bronze Tiger beating Rogers? I really hope not.

Roger's has the clear stat advantage -in particular when it comes to stamina- and is on a level I've never seen Bronze Tiger surpass or even reach in regards to hand to hand skill.

thumbsup

Originally posted by Marvelknight
You know everything and yet you base your opinion on how skilled Batman is, from what Oracle said. And you failed to mention or take into consideration how Shiva thrashed Conner, and has killed Cassandra in combat. She's also beaten Black Canary as well. But when she fought Bruce, it was nothing like her fights with the others. And I'm not even going to consider the outcome. Because Robin did interferer. And you say that Shiva was mind controlled in the second. Don't know why that would matter much. Because Bronze Tiger's mask is a form of mind control, and it didn't effect his fighting abilities at all when he fought Batman.

Batman still did far better than Cassandra, Conner and Canary against Shiva. And you think that they are more skilled than Bruce?? Well that's not going to help your credibility here.

No I said Batman wasn't in the top five of DC Martial artist (he isn't), then I provided five characters who are more skilled then he is. After that I listed a few characters outside of those previously five who also might be more skilled, one of which was Black Canary, and one of the reasons was that Oracle said she was more skilled.

What are you talking about? Batman fought Shiva for a couple of pages, said his only hope was to get in close and try to out muscle her and then Robin landed a cheap shot that allowed him to win. Connor on the other hand fought her for six or seven pages, on his own, same thing with Cassandra. They were drastically different fights.

You've been on this site long enough to know that mind control completely invalidates fights. It is a plot device. Wolverine has beat a mind controlled Psylocke and Lady Deathstrike at the same time in a single panel. Batman one shotted a mind controlled Shiva. Irrelevant.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No I said Batman wasn't in the top five of DC Martial artist (he isn't), then I provided five characters who are more skilled then he is. After that I listed a few characters outside of those previously five who also might be more skilled, one of which was Black Canary, and one of the reasons was that Oracle said she was more skilled.

What are you talking about? Batman fought Shiva for a couple of pages, said his only hope was to get in close and try to out muscle her and then Robin landed a cheap shot that allowed him to win. Connor on the other hand fought her for six or seven pages, on his own, same thing with Cassandra. They were drastically different fights.

You've been on this site long enough to know that mind control completely invalidates fights. It is a plot device. Wolverine has beat a mind controlled Psylocke and Lady Deathstrike at the same time in a single panel. Batman one shotted a mind controlled Shiva. Irrelevant.

Wow.....! That's my damn point. Canary, Conner, nor Cassandra are not more skilled. It's been proven and you still post up this nonsense!!

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Wow.....! That's my damn point. Canary, Conner, nor Cassandra are not more skilled. It's been proven and you still post up this nonsense!!

They are (Connor and Cass at least) more skilled. Fight Shiva for half a dozen pages and winning (like Cass) or losing (like Connor) is more impressive than fighting her for three pages and then having Robin interfere. Not to mention Connor and Cass don't were body armor, and neither of them is 6'2, 210lbs. Batman has advantages other than skill, he could beat Shiva in a fight and it wouldn't be prove that he is as or more skilled than her. The fact that he is physically superior, wears armor and skill has been unable to beat Shiva in a fair fight is telling.

Cassandra and Shiva are equals. Shiva has a death wish and some CIS that bump Cass slightly above her, but other than that they are more or less equal in ever way. Shiva is more skilled than Batman. So is Cass. Black Canary might not be, that is why I didn't include her in the list, but there is a chance she is, and some of Batman's peers believe it to be the case.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And Finally here is Slade vs. Bronze Tiger

And you tell me that Bronze Tiger doesn't have what it takes?? Yeah I rest my case....

Yes, that's exactly what he's saying.

I don't know what you think posting up a bunch of Slade's "feats" lends to this debate but it's near mind boggling.

What you think because he can T off on a distracted Flash that proves something?
That he can drop a building on a hero that proves something?
That he can talk trash to Superman while Supes just looks at him instead of railing him like he did the next time DS saw him that proves something?

All that so you can show off one fight with DS and BT as if it lends credability to your position in this debate.... WHA?!

BT got a momentary advantage over a non-invested, weakened DS pressed for time after blindsiding him to begin with..... WOW. 😱

I'm sooooo totally impressed... Especially considering that it's nearly forum concensus that Rogers would take the majority from Slade in a real 1on1 already.... 😐

Seriously, the most your "evidence" proves is that BT MIGHT be a better h2h fighter than DS.... and that's not saying much... like... at all...
The only reason he even got a momentary advantage in that little scrap was ( assuming we are eliminating the probability of every OTHER compounding reason I already mentioned) due to the skills that DS lacks.... and he DOES lack a certain amount of profeciency... Stack his skill up to Caps level and that would have never happened.

Cap regularly pieces people who are on BT's level... he typically trashes people who are above it.... and he consistently stalemates (AT THE LEAST) people of BT's level WITH superhuman stats....

The ONLY advantage that you think you can bring to this debate to argue for BT winning is a "possible" skill advantage... one you haven't bothered to support or back up....
and one that you frankly can't to be honest.

Night Trasher took on Junzo in h2h, someone who was Rand's equal and do you know what happened with NT tried to go up against Cap?
He got completely and utterly tooled like a child....

It's a better comparative feat against a skilled opponent than anything BT has produced..... but you keep on drinking the BT koolaid I guess. 😬

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He was fighting back but he wasn't nearly as invested in the fight as Bronze Tiger.

EDIT: Just saw your edit, he wasn't begging with him, he was reasoning with him. Which I think is much more than a semantic distinction.

I think thats incorrect. DS didn't want BT to take him, if BT took him in he would have got killed that gives you a strong motivation to fight. He even shouted at him that he didn't want to be taken in. Pulling out a knife on some one doesn't indicate that you don't want to fight.

Yea he was reasoning with him I think thats more applicable in the second fight.

Originally posted by jinzin
Yes, that's exactly what he's saying.

I don't know what you think posting up a bunch of Slade's "feats" lends to this debate but it's near mind boggling.

What you think because he can T off on a distracted Flash that proves something?
That he can drop a building on a hero that proves something?
That he can talk trash to Superman while Supes just looks at him instead of railing him like he did the next time DS saw him that proves something?

Jinzin he posted scans of DS beating Batmanm ok?

Originally posted by jinzin

All that so you can show off one fight with DS and BT as if it lends credability to your position in this debate.... WHA?!

BT has also beaten Batman MK mentioned that as well.

Originally posted by jinzin

BT got a momentary advantage over a non-invested, weakened DS pressed for time after blindsiding him to begin with..... WOW. 😱

Please stop downplaying the feats, I really don't think DS was weakened. DS did want to fight him.

Originally posted by jinzin

I'm sooooo totally impressed... Especially considering that it's nearly forum concensus that Rogers would take the majority from Slade in a real 1on1 already.... 😐

Do you want to calm down? I think Cap gets the majority over DS but the opposite of the opinion is alright as well, do you have to be rude about it?

Originally posted by jinzin

Seriously, the most your "evidence" proves is that BT MIGHT be a better h2h fighter than DS.... and that's not saying much... like... at all...
The only reason he even got a momentary advantage in that little scrap was ( assuming we are eliminating the probability of every OTHER compounding reason I already mentioned) due to the skills that DS lacks.... and he DOES lack a certain amount of profeciency... Stack his skill up to Caps level and that would have never happened.

I really think you're going to have to prove these compunding factors.

Originally posted by jinzin

Cap regularly pieces people who are on BT's level... he typically trashes people who are above it.... and he consistently stalemates (AT THE LEAST) people of BT's level WITH superhuman stats....

He does?

Originally posted by jinzin

The ONLY advantage that you think you can bring to this debate to argue for BT winning is a "possible" skill advantage... one you haven't bothered to support or back up....
and one that you frankly can't to be honest.

You really need to calm down.

Originally posted by jinzin

Night Trasher took on Junzo in h2h, someone who was Rand's equal and do you know what happened with NT tried to go up against Cap?
He got completely and utterly tooled like a child....

It's a better comparative feat against a skilled opponent than anything BT has produced..... but you keep on drinking the BT koolaid I guess. 😬

and BT has beaten Batman as well.

Can you see how you're behaving? MK hasn't done shit to you hes making arguments that are reasonable but basically you're bullying him. Then you wonder why I give you hell.

Originally posted by Deadline
Jinzin he posted scans of DS beating Batmanm ok?

Which proves what?

Batman is not one of the best MA's in DC and he was able to contend with DS.... DS beat him? Sure, he beat him and then staggered away, holding himself up with a wall...

Another example of DS's uber "skill" at play? No.
It IS however another example of DS relying on his superhuman stats to do what his skills won't afford him... and if a guy who doesn't fit in the top 5 list of skilled MA's in DC can do that, it isn't hard to imagine what a more skilled opponent would do to a weakened DS.

Originally posted by Deadline
BT has also beaten Batman MK mentioned that as well.

Adds nothing to the debate.

Originally posted by Deadline
Please stop downplaying the feats, I really don't think DS was weakened. DS did want to fight him.

You're right, he was totally looking for a fight. Which is why he was ignoring the fact that he was pressed for time right? Which is why he wasn't on the run every chance he got?
Which is why he completely ignored how usefull having BT believe him would be given his current situation?
Oh wait!

Originally posted by Deadline
Do you want to calm down. Why do you have to be some goddman hostile? I think Cap gets the majority over DS but the opposite of the opinion is alright as well, do you have to be rude about it?

Or you can stop trolling my posts every chance you get you ****ing little hypocrite.
There was absolutely nothing hostile about that response.

Originally posted by Deadline
I really think you're going to have to prove these compunding factors.

Riiiiight . 🙄 Not surprised.

Originally posted by Deadline
He does?

Originally posted by Deadline
You really need to calm down.

NOW I'm a little irked, because you're the idiot who decided to multi-quote respond to my post to ANOTHER poster completely.

You have borderline obessive behavior when it comes to me... but I'm the one who needs to chill his jets right? riiiight. 🙄

Originally posted by Deadline
and BT has beaten Batman as well.

Bronze Tiger vs Daredevil. That would be a fair fight. Go make that thread. Because unless you have been eating lead paint for the last 20 years there is no excuse for thinking Bronze Tiger is a legitimate contender for Captain America's belt. Particularly in a UFC style fight where Cap takes him to the mat and completely over powers him.

IIRC in the issue prior to his "fight" with BT issue Slade was stabbed, shot several times and fell off a cliff.

Originally posted by Badabing
A few of you are very close to a warning. I'm giving fair notice so there won't be any complaining after.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm too lazy to read through this thread. Are people actually debating Bronze Tiger beating Rogers? I really hope not.

Roger's has the clear stat advantage -in particular when it comes to stamina- and is on a level I've never seen Bronze Tiger surpass or even reach in regards to hand to hand skill.

Being Richard Dragon's peer? Along with Shiva? Dismantling Batman with only a couple of moves. Batman back then was still a great fighter.

Originally posted by Deadline
Can you see how you're behaving? MK hasn't done shit to you hes making arguments that are reasonable but basically you're bullying him. Then you wonder why I give you hell.

Nothing I've done is bullying you retarded little prat.

Everything I've said is based off of an INFORMED opinion, revolved around factual EVIDENCE....

Now I know this isn't something you know much about, or care much about... I know that being the forum jester is your thing and I wouldn't want you to start up new habbits and maybe actually proving yourself right in threads... I wouldn't want you have have that much pressure on your wee brain. You might bleed from the eyes.

BUT.... the LEAST you could do is argue against the POINTS I've made and why you think they're incorrect instead of whining like a little bit*h even if that IS your M.O.

And no... I don't wonder in the least why you "give me hell".... because you giving me hell basically equates to random trolling like this nonsense, following me thread to thread when I'm not even talking to you.

It's clearly the benchmark of obsessive behavior, something I can only fathom is akin to a sort of "love" having resulted from the multiple times I've a**-raped you in thread after thread, or exposed you for the forum idiot that you are and love to be......

With so much time on your hands I can only imagine that there isn't a mrs. Deadline to give you the attention that I do when I'm owning away on your ass in multiple threads... but hey, at least that IS attention... so it really makes sense why you keep coming back to me.

Anyways...... Cap wins. There's not yet one good reason to convince anyone otherwise here.... and I don't think Deadline's sobbing and bi*ching changes that.

Originally posted by jinzin
Which proves what?

Batman is not one of the best MA's in DC and he was able to contend with DS.... DS beat him? Sure, he beat him and then staggered away, holding himself up with a wall...

Um Batman is good enough to hold his own against Cap? DS has beaten Batman three times.

Originally posted by jinzin

Another example of DS's uber "skill" at play? No.
It IS however another example of DS relying on his superhuman stats to do what his skills won't afford him... and if a guy who doesn't fit in the top 5 list of skilled MA's in DC can do that, it isn't hard to imagine what a more skilled opponent would do to a weakened DS.

Even if you could prove that he doesn't fit into the top 5, he still good enough to give Cap a fight.

Originally posted by jinzin

Adds nothing to the debate.

Yes it does.

Originally posted by jinzin

The ****? That's why he was staggering his way over the balcony? ...uh huh

Show me.

Originally posted by jinzin

You're right, he was totally looking for a fight. Which is why he was ignoring the fact that he was pressed for time right? Which is why he wasn't on the run every chance he got?
Which is why he completely ignored how usefull having BT believe him would be given his current situation?
Oh wait!

Again you are picking what parts you like. As I had stated theres truth to the statement but you are exaggerating. You are selecting what info you like and ignoring other issues.

1. DS didn't want to get taken in because he would have got killed.
2. He pulled a knife.

Originally posted by jinzin

Or you can stop trolling my posts every chance you get you ****ing little hypocrite.
There was absolutely nothing hostile about that response.

Try being civil and fairer then. Yea there was, your basically accusing him of being fanboy because he has a difference of opinion.

Originally posted by jinzin

The ones that were stated, shown, proven all within the pages of the fight?

As I said there were other factors as well. I don't think theres any proof he was weakened in the first fight, he was obvoulsy weakened in that instance, why are you focusing on that?

Riiiiight . 🙄 Not surprised.

Originally posted by jinzin

Seriously?

Yea prove it, i'm pretty sure its a matter of opinion.

Originally posted by jinzin
Nothing I've done is bullying you retarded little prat.

Everything I've said is based off of an INFORMED opinion, revolved around factual EVIDENCE....

Now I know this isn't something you know much about, or care much about... I know that being the forum jester is your thing and I wouldn't want you to start up new habbits and maybe actually proving yourself right in threads... I wouldn't want you have have that much pressure on your wee brain. You might bleed from the eyes.

BUT.... the LEAST you could do is argue against the POINTS I've made and why you think they're incorrect instead of whining like a little bit*h even if that IS your M.O.

And no... I don't wonder in the least why you "give me hell".... because you giving me hell basically equates to random trolling like this nonsense, following me thread to thread when I'm not even talking to you.

It's clearly the benchmark of obsessive behavior, something I can only fathom is akin to a sort of "love" having resulted from the multiple times I've a**-raped you in thread after thread, or exposed you for the forum idiot that you are and love to be......

With so much time on your hands I can only imagine that there isn't a mrs. Deadline to give you the attention that I do when I'm owning away on your ass in multiple threads... but hey, at least that IS attention... so it really makes sense why you keep coming back to me.

Anyways...... Cap wins. There's not yet one good reason to convince anyone otherwise here.... and I don't think Deadline's sobbing and bi*ching changes that.

Stop acting like your opinion is fact. At least be polite and entertain the possibility you could be wrong. Then I'll stop giving you a hard time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Bronze Tiger vs Daredevil. That would be a fair fight. Go make that thread. Because unless you have been eating lead paint for the last 20 years there is no excuse for thinking Bronze Tiger is a legitimate contender for Captain America's belt. Particularly in a UFC style fight where Cap takes him to the mat and completely over powers him.

IIRC in the issue prior to his "fight" with BT issue Slade was stabbed, shot several times and fell off a cliff.

This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. 👇