Bronze Tiger vs Steve Rogers: H2H Only

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Ignorant?? Jinzin your childish remarks are feeble at best.

I understand how Wolverine's powers work very well and that his healing factor is better. Yes their healing factors can be taxed, when they sustain continuous massive amounts of damage. What's your point? Slade's strength, durability, speed, and reflexes didn't drop blow 100% i.e. he wasn't depowered. And Slade has been stabbed clean through his chest, and still continue fighting moments after. He's even had his heart cut in half through his chest, with his own sword, and his body started healing in the hospital within hours, without machines being able to detect it.

So.... what? 😐

Wolverine has had his heart sliced in half, just stood there and incapped his attacker.
Wolverine's had his heart ripped out of his chest and continued to keep fighting.

He has a faster HF than Slade... What that kind of damage STILL taxes him in the long run affecting his performance in battle.

It's the equivolent of people like you or I being exhausted and it's something that DS was subjected to.

But it doesn't work like that according to you huh? In spite of it being suggested several times in that fight alone? Really?!

If that's honestly what you believe then yes, you're IGNORANT.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Even when Slade was blow 100%, he was still formidable enough to get out of the situation, when Aqua Man, Hal, and Flash were after him. I don't know how weak you think Slade was, but Slade's has gotten out of worse situations compared to that. Tiger was tactical and kept Slade off balance. Slade was having trouble getting away because Tiger was on his ass.

No one said Slade isn't a good tactician, no one said him escaping the JL is a non feat or unimpressive.

But you can't sit there and tell me that those examples of characters who are NOT at 100% are relivent to a character in the forums who IS.
It's not more complicated than that.
BT beating up a messed up Deathstroke, who isn't invested in the fight after blindsiding him doesn't even REMOTELY stack up to beating a 100% DS who's out for blood and isn't being snuck up on.

They are scenarios that are WORLDS apart, they are not automatically analogous just because DS is formidable whether he's healthy or injured.

It doesn't work like that.
A taxed out Wolverine's been put down by Cap bashing him in the back of the head with one swing of his shield.... Does that reflect what would happen in a fight with an aware Logan at 100%? Phuck no....

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Sure Slade was trying to talk Tiger out of it but Slade didn't need him. In fact Slade was trying to clear his name without Tiger's help. But Tiger was getting annoying and wouldn't listen. You haven't proved anything to me. I've read all of these issues and have a clear perspective on what's happening in them.

"I NEED more help than my friends can give me"
"I'm alone in the world, that's why I've got to get Bronze Tiger to believe in my innocence. "

I need?
I've got to?
Yeah certainly doesn't sound like he was thinking/pondering about using BT as a crutch for himself does it.. 😐

Again, to ignore the entire context of EVERYTHING aside from what you could put together by way of the illustrations beckons me to think otherwise.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
None of the Karate Kids even exist in regular DC canon, they are as valid to this discussion as Batman 1 Million. On the other hand all of Marvel's fighters exist in normal canon. Marvel has Mandarin. Temugin. The Immortal Weapons. Ogun. Stick. Izo. Po. Drake. The Foreigner. Gorgon. X. Honestly It isn't even a contest. Marvel'st MA's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC

I'm talking about all time. Plus KK is coming back. KK>>>>>>> All those you have mentioned.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'm talking about all time. Plus KK is coming back. KK>>>>>>> All those you have mentioned.

The Foreigner is the greatest at everything in life. So fail Less!

Originally posted by Juk3n
The Foreigner is the greatest at everything in life. So fail Less!

10 Foreigners wouldn't be a match for the one and only KK! 😛

Originally posted by Prep-Man
10 Foreigners wouldn't be a match for the one and only KK! 😛

Foreigner > Batman > KK, BOOM! ^_^

That's pretty much correct, but you have to reverse the order. 😉

Originally posted by jinzin
So.... what? 😐

Wolverine has had his heart sliced in half, just stood there and incapped his attacker.
Wolverine's had his heart ripped out of his chest and continued to keep fighting.

He has a faster HF than Slade... What that kind of damage STILL taxes him in the long run affecting his performance in battle.

It's the equivolent of people like you or I being exhausted and it's something that DS was subjected to.

But it doesn't work like that according to you huh? In spite of it being suggested several times in that fight alone? Really?!

If that's honestly what you believe then yes, you're IGNORANT.

Yes Slade is still formidable when weakened.. It's a typical trait in tough comic characters.
Punisher still fights superhumans with broken femurs, Captain America still blasts through guys with the SSS when he's a 90 pound weakling, Batman crushes through enhanced opponents as an old man.

No one said Slade isn't a good tactician, no one said him escaping the JL is a non feat or unimpressive.

But you can't sit there and tell me that those examples of characters who are NOT at 100% are relivent to a character in the forums who IS.
It's not more complicated than that.
BT beating up a messed up Deathstroke, who isn't invested in the fight after blindsiding him doesn't even REMOTELY stack up to beating a 100% DS who's out for blood and isn't being snuck up on.

They are scenarios that are WORLDS apart, they are not automatically analogous just because DS is formidable whether he's healthy or injured.

It doesn't work like that.
A taxed out Wolverine's been put down by Cap bashing him in the back of the head with one swing of his shield.... Does that reflect what would happen in a fight with an aware Logan at 100%? Phuck no....

"I NEED more help than my friends can give me"
"I'm alone in the world, that's why I've got to get Bronze Tiger to believe in my innocence. "

I need?
I've got to?
Yeah certainly doesn't sound like he was thinking/pondering about using BT as a crutch for himself does it.. 😐

Again, to ignore the entire context of EVERYTHING aside from what you could put together by way of the illustrations beckons me to think otherwise.

Jinzin I'll end this here and now...

You think that you are superior to other posters here when you're not. You come and try to call people names and act like everything you say is fact. You even have that the bottom of your sig "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC. Too bad because you're not the only one.

You think that's you're so intelligent, that you can be condescending to others, and call me ignorant?

It's funny that for someone who finds the time in their life to sit talk about shit that's isn't real with other people, you sure have a lot of balls to try and belittle anyone at all. Oh yeah you're "cool".

Now try to keep up because I won't say it again...

First, Slade and Logan's HF don't work the same way at all. You make it seem like Slade was so weaken that he couldn't even fight back. Wrong.

And you filed to mention that in Deathstroke #0 Slade was captured, and all the bullet holes he had were healed already. By the time Slade was rescued leading into the next issue, Slade was fine and wasn't that badly hurt at all. Again it' an attempt to demean the situation, and not give any credit to Tiger on your part. And it's not working here. I'm a far better debater than that. So please try to stay with me.

And do you even know what's my point overall in this thread? That Bronze Tiger is capable to stand with Steve and either have a 5/10 split or 6l10 both ways. And you haven't and can't prove me wrong. Sorry that it hurt's your pride that you can't debate with me. And no amount of name calling will hide that. Your insults are childish and a mark to show that you're just pissed that you "can't" take me in this debate nor will I put up with your nonsense.

But I'll do you a favor by not posting to you and spare your self pride. You can think what want. But know that your ass has been handed to you. And I'm done with trying to reason with your little ego.

Why is this thread still open. Two or three people think BT while the rest of the forum thinks otherwise. No matter what, those two or three people are going to go on believing what they want without ever changing their minds. Its kind of useless at this point to keep going.

Captain America

Originally posted by tkitna
Why is this thread still open. Two or three people think BT while the rest of the forum thinks otherwise. No matter what, those two or three people are going to go on believing what they want without ever changing their minds. Its kind of useless at this point to keep going.

I personally think that Steve wins the majority. However it can be argued that BT could win a small majority. What I find irritating is when certain posters bend over backwards trying to lowball feats all the time, and act as if their opinion is superior.

Even if everyone agreed that Steve wins its not always about being correct even if you are correct you should still make a coherent argument. Some arguments being made are full of bias.

Hell you had the deceny to look at the feat again, some people are still trying to lowball it.

Deathstroke was fighting to avoid capture, not to achieve a definitive victory. Regardless of whether he was handicapped as much as I believe he was, or giving it as much as you believe, the fact remains that he was handicapped. However much that may have been, might be debateable, but the fact that he was is not. Slade wasn't going all out, the narrative makes that pretty clear, I understand you fell that is counter intuitive to his goal of avoiding capture... but that is how it was represented on panel. BT held his own but couldn't beat a potentially weakened Slade, who wasn't give it 100%... not exactly a firm foundation to build an argument that he could beat Captain America on. You've decided to ignore the context of the feat and add your own, that's fine, it's your prerogative after all... but I'm not going to subscribe to it.

Here its is again for the 4th time now I think.

Originally posted by Deadline
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/53838/1331030-deathstroke_vs_bronze_tiger_8_super.jpg

"They were never going to let you me take in they need me dead"

Yea so if was taken in he would have been killed by the Govt.

I see he was expecting a badass like BT to run off? You were talking about speculation.

He wasn't handicapped in the first fight.

Originally posted by Deadline
Here its is again for the 4th time now I think.

He wasn't handicapped in the first fight.

And what do you think that shows? It doesn't change the fact he spent the whole fight trying to talk Tiger down. Slade saying Checkmate won't let him be taken alive doesn't retroactively change the events of the fight. He wasn't going all out.... we can see that he wasn't going all out...

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Jinzin I'll end this here and now...

You think that you are superior to other posters here when you're not. You come and try to call people names and act like everything you say is fact. You even have that the bottom of your sig "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC. Too bad because you're not the only one.

You think that's you're so intelligent, that you can be condescending to others, and call me ignorant?

It's funny that for someone who finds the time in their life to sit talk about shit that's isn't real with other people, you sure have a lot of balls to try and belittle anyone at all. Oh yeah you're "cool".

Now try to keep up because I won't say it again...

First, Slade and Logan's HF don't work the same way at all. You make it seem like Slade was so weaken that he couldn't even fight back. Wrong.

And you filed to mention that in Deathstroke #0 Slade was captured, and all the bullet holes he had were healed already. By the time Slade was rescued leading into the next issue, Slade was fine and wasn't that badly hurt at all. Again it' an attempt to demean the situation, and not give any credit to Tiger on your part. And it's not working here. I'm a far better debater than that. So please try to stay with me.

And do you even know what's my point overall in this thread? That Bronze Tiger is capable to stand with Steve and either have a 5/10 split or 6l10 both ways. And you haven't and can't prove me wrong. Sorry that it hurt's your pride that you can't debate with me. And no amount of name calling will hide that. Your insults are childish and a mark to show that you're just pissed that you "can't" take me in this debate nor will I put up with your nonsense.

But I'll do you a favor by not posting to you and spare your self pride. You can think what want. But know that your ass has been handed to you. And I'm done with trying to reason with your little ego. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Jinzin I'll end this here and now...

You think that you are superior to other posters here when you're not. You come and try to call people names and act like everything you say is fact. You even have that the bottom of your sig "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC. Too bad because you're not the only one.

You think that's you're so intelligent, that you can be condescending to others, and call me ignorant?

It's funny that for someone who finds the time in their life to sit talk about shit that's isn't real with other people, you sure have a lot of balls to try and belittle anyone at all. Oh yeah you're "cool".

Oh man, another whiner?! 😂
As if the fact that we're on the net means anything. I'd talk to you like this to your face if I could. You're acting like an ignorant ass-hat, telling me that the DS fight IS definitive proof of a 6/10 superiority to BT over Cap.... and that isn't "acting like your opinion is fact"? Laughable... You're flat out ignoring every counter argument that's been brought to the table so far, you've opted to refuse to answer the one important question I've asked you time and time again, you don't deserve my respect as a peer if the only argument's you're going to bring me are "nu-uh" bullshit and that's all there is to it.

As someone mentioned ealier, comics are more than just looking at the pictures. For the purposes of the ass-backwards points you're trying to make in this thread, you've chosen to completely and utterly ignore the ENTIRETY of the context of STORY.
I've even gone to the lengths of quoting key points and posting up scans for you and all you do is IGNORE THEM....

So yes, if you're going to ignore blatant facts in exchange for your own baseless interpretations in SPITE of them being pointed out to you in detail repeatedly, then there's nothing ELSE TO call that but willful ignorance... Maybe you don't like it... I don't know what to tell you.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Now try to keep up because I won't say it again...

First, Slade and Logan's HF don't work the same way at all. You make it seem like Slade was so weaken that he couldn't even fight back. Wrong.

You're absolutely right, Slades healing factor is a GREAT deal slower acting than Wolverine's and far less battlefield effective.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And you filed to mention that in Deathstroke #0 Slade was captured, and all the bullet holes he had were healed already. By the time Slade was rescued leading into the next issue, Slade was fine and wasn't that badly hurt at all. Again it' an attempt to demean the situation, and not give any credit to Tiger on your part. And it's not working here. I'm a far better debater than that. So please try to stay with me.

It's identical to a number of situations with Wolverine including when he fought Mr. X's personalized army. He got beat to shit and went on to fight X later that night only to be beaten into unconciousness... that WOULDN'T happen unless he was already taxed out like crazy.... and he was..

DS WAS HURT... It's WHY THEY MENTIONED IT DURING THE FIGHT, AFTER THE FIGHT, ETC.

You want to ignore that FACT? It's not at all surprising..

The fact that that he didn't have any visable bullet wounds still open doesn't mean he was operating at 100% or near it... It's again, that simple.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And do you even know what's my point overall in this thread? That Bronze Tiger is capable to stand with Steve and either have a 5/10 split or 6l10 both ways. And you haven't and can't prove me wrong.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Sorry that it hurt's your pride that you can't debate with me.

Well I couldn't care less about my pride in this thread, this is just something I do in my free time when I get the chance anymore... but you're right about the second part..

Pretty difficult to argue with ANYONE who basically make arguments analogous to an amalgam of this:

Originally posted by Marvelknight
And no amount of name calling will hide that. Your insults are childish and a mark to show that you're just pissed that you "can't" take me in this debate nor will I put up with your nonsense.

😂

Is that what they are?
And here I thought my insults were a method of undermining you and pointing out the nature of your sensibilities and opinions in this thread...
That's fine if you don't see it that way though...
I can then assess that you're ability to comprehend my responses and the manner in which I make them is as poor as your ability to accurately interpret comic book plot lines.... thumbsup

Originally posted by Marvelknight
But I'll do you a favor by not posting to you and spare your self pride. You can think what want. But know that your ass has been handed to you. And I'm done with trying to reason with your little ego.

Lol well I don't know about my pride, but you'll certainly spare some of my time in dealing with you...
Which seeing some of your arguments in this thread as well as that bait thread with Cap asserts I would have just been waisting it on you anyways....

Well.... Have fun with that BT Kool-aid I guess. cheers

Originally posted by tkitna
Why is this thread still open. Two or three people think BT while the rest of the forum thinks otherwise. No matter what, those two or three people are going to go on believing what they want without ever changing their minds. Its kind of useless at this point to keep going.

true that.

Originally posted by Deadline
Here its is again for the 4th time now I think.

He wasn't handicapped in the first fight.

Well you ignored the entirety of Origins and Endings for the purposes of your nonsense, guess it should come as no surprise that you do the same for Deathstroke in an almost identical situation...

He was hurt, BT mentions it... Sit down.

Another whiner? You amuse me. But no. I simply pointed out your act as KMC's top dog of comic book facts.

Jinzin, zin-jin, or zig zag, whatever. As I said already before. You're finished and this debate is over... Move along son.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Another whiner? You amuse me. But no. I simply pointed out your act as KMC's top dog of comic book facts.

Jinzin, zin-jin, or zig zag, whatever. As I said already before. You're finished and this debate is over... Move along son.

😆

You're a riot.. Well I DO appreciate the entertainment, I'll give you that.

Steve Rogers with a healthy sweep.