Originally posted by jinzin
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I know right?Though TBF I don't think the "fight" between Matches and Tiger should count..... at least.... not any more than the fight between Tiger and Deathstroke, that's for sure.
got the DS v tiger one handy?
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Matches Malone is a alias that Bruce uses when going undercover to gather information. Why do you ask -Pr-?
i didn't ask who he was.
Originally posted by King Castle
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Originally posted by jinzin
Deathstroke: The Hunted Vol 0.
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Originally posted by Marvelknight
Another thing I cant's understand is that no one seems to remember the name Catseye being brought up (someone who is a meta-human). Bronze Tiger fought against him single handily, and Catseye wasn't weaken at all. That's a post Crisis event as well as the fight with Slade fight.So what now?
Because Catseye sucks and hasn't done anything other than beat a poisoned BT? He couldn't even beat Nightsade in h2h, you might as well be bragging about beating Leapfrog.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Two separate fights. He poisoned BT and beat him up. Later Katana freed him and then he beat up Catseye.
So you are aware that Bronze Tiger did defeat a meta-human before without them being weaken or hurt in any way. But you try use the fact that Slade was hurt in the issue before to try and take away from Ben, knowing that's hes already beaten meta-humans before?
Originally posted by Marvelknight
So you are aware that Bronze Tiger did defeat a meta-human before without them being weaken or hurt in any way. But you try use the fact that Slade was hurt in the issue before to try and take away from Ben, knowing that's hes already beaten meta-humans before?
Because one meta human is not analogous with another. 😕
Originally posted by jinzin
Because one meta human is not analogous with another. 😕
Ben beat him with his bare hands. Probable cause is just that, probable cause. If Tiger has been shown that he's capable to deal with someone with higher stats before. Then it's probable now. And Catseye is a low meta-human like Slade with all the same advantages Slade would have over Tiger physically. Point proven, period.
i just lost an hour of my life reading the last 10 pages.
it wasnt so bad, i was crying and laughing my @$$ off might have even peed a lil.
so back on track are we arguing DS or BT b/c it seems to have bn derailed and people arguing through ABC logic of PIS/Cis of characters to strengthen BT fighting potential
Originally posted by jinzin
Catseye would need a laundry list of high class feats to be on the level of Deathstroke.Captain America has plowed through people like Armadillo, Griffon, and a Namor Clone.... I haven't brough it up because those kind of feats don't contribute much to the argument here. 😐
No and that's one of the problems here in the debate. Catseye doesn't need a list a of feats no more than Bronze Tiger need them to be established as who and what he is.
People keep crying Steve's better stats this better stats that and it's not as big of a factor as many would think. Not at all. And if everyone is going on the idea that Tiger will tire out and Steve will win. Well if that's the only reason then it's certainly not enough to go on the idea that Steve is the better fighter at all.
All Bronze Tiger has to do is fight with his head and get enough points at the end of each round. UFC rules are in effect or did everyone here just looked over that fact?
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No and that's one of the problems here in the debate. Catseye doesn't need a list a of feats no more than Bronze Tiger need them to be established as who and what he is.People keep crying Steve's better stats this better stats that and it's not as big of a factor as many would think. Not at all.
And as some have pointed out, it IS a big deal. Steve's physical attributes are at a level that bronze tiger CANNOT hit. The guy's damage soak is high enough to jump out of planes sans parachute. To overcome this, BT would need to be SUBSTANTIALLY more skilled at MA than Steve is. This isn't the case.
And if everyone is going on the idea that Tiger will tire out and Steve will win. Well if that's the only reason then it's certainly not enough to go on the idea that Steve is the better fighter at all.
I don't think you understand what we're trying to say. Steve Rogers has shown himself to be a VERY, VERY high tier martial artist in his universe. The only MA I can think of that's flat out better is Taskmaster, and that's because that guy's abilities guarantee he can't be overcome with skill alone.
ON TOP OF Steve's skills, he also has a body that is faster, stronger, and more durable than anyone NOT superhuman, and is designed NOT to wear out at peak exertion. Even if all other stats were equal in terms of strength and skill (and they aren't here) this is certainly a gamebreaker.
All Bronze has to do is fight with his head and get enough points at the end of each round. UFC rules are in effect or did everyone here just looked over that fact? [/B]
And you say this like steve has never fought before. What kind of "fighting with his head" is BT going to do, that hasn't been tried before by the likes of Daredevil, black panther, or shang chi?
Originally posted by Space M ummy
And as some have pointed out, it IS a big deal. Steve's physical attributes are at a level that bronze tiger CANNOT hit. The guy's damage soak is high enough to jump out of planes sans parachute. To overcome this, BT would need to be SUBSTANTIALLY more skilled at MA than Steve is. This isn't the case.I don't think you understand what we're trying to say. Steve Rogers has shown himself to be a VERY, VERY high tier martial artist in his universe. The only MA I can think of that's flat out better is Taskmaster, and that's because that guy's abilities guarantee he can't be overcome with skill alone.
ON TOP OF Steve's skills, he also has a body that is faster, stronger, and more durable than anyone NOT superhuman, and is designed NOT to wear out at peak exertion. Even if all other stats were equal in terms of strength and skill (and they aren't here) this is certainly a gamebreaker.
And you say this like steve has never fought before. What kind of "fighting with his head" is BT going to do, that hasn't been tried before by the likes of Daredevil, black panther, or shang chi?
So is this what you come to say to me? Now, Now Space M, If you want I can take it to the stars.
First, why don't you prove to me why it's a "BIG DEAL" for someone like Bronze Tiger? Okay? Because I don't think you or anyone understand that BRONZE TIGER, is a VERY, VERY high tier martial artist in his universe. What are you trying to say? Again with this Bull****, underestimating Bronze Tiger, like you don't know who the **** he is. Look anywhere online, and you will see the same thing. Bronze Tiger is nasty in martial arts. Basically, Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon are the Ryu and Ken of DC Comics.
And I'll tell you right now that Steve's stats won't be a BIG DEAL for Lady Shiva, Batman, Wild Cat, Oh yeah, Bronze Tiger, or Richard Dragon and others in DC who I don't need to mention.
You talk about Daredevil, black panther, and shang chi... But.... They're not Bronze Tiger. We're talking about someone Steve has never fought before.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
First, why don't you prove to me why it's a "BIG DEAL" for someone like Bronze Tiger? Okay? Because I don't think you or anyone understand that BRONZE TIGER, is a VERY, VERY high tier martial artist in his universe. What are you trying to say? Again with this Bull****, underestimating Bronze Tiger, like you don't know who the **** he is. Look anywhere online, and you will see the same thing. Bronze Tiger is nasty in martial arts. Basically, Bronze Tiger and Richard Dragon are the Ryu and Ken of DC Comics.
What I'm saying, and what you don't appear to be understanding, is that when given two opponents of equal skill, the one with the better stats has the advantage. Since the SSS guarantees that Steve is going to be better than BT Physically, BT needs to have a substantial advantage in MA to overcome it.
Go back and read through EVERYTHING I posted. Nowhere did I "underestimate" Bronze Tiger, what I *DID* do was play up Steve's victories against the top tiers in 616. Underrate Shang Chi, Iron Fist, Daredevil, Black Panther, Wolverine, Batroc, etc if you want to, but the fact is that since Steve can and has easily beaten ALL of marvel's top tier, you'd need to make the claim that BT is significantly better than all of them. Good luck with this, because it's not happening.
And I'll tell you right now that Steve's stats won't be a BIG DEAL for Lady Shiva, Batman, Wild Cat, Oh yeah, Bronze Tiger, or Richard Dragon and others in DC who I don't need to mention. [quote]I think you DO need to mention them, since Steve's SKILLS and stats are a big deal for literally every other MA that exists in his universe.
[quote]You talk about Daredevil, black panther, and shang chi... But.... They're not Bronze Tiger. We're talking about someone Steve has never fought before. [/B]
And wouldn't Steve be someone Bronze Tiger has never met before? Genius logic there. But speaking in terms of MA, there are only so many styles in existence, and rogers has fought against literally every skilled combantant there is to fight in the MU. Bronze tiger isn't going to whip out a style he's never seen before, and in fact Rogers has strong showings and victories against opponents with completely unique styles as well.
Bottom line, rogers still has an advantage.
