Originally posted by King Castle
what does Tekken and game mechanics have anything to do in this thread?aside from that it would come down to the controller and not actual comic history.
give me Cap from marvel vs capcom and we'll see. 😆
That's because you can't see pass the fact that it's a game. I'm referring to the story.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
I fully agree with you. This is crazy to think Ben can't win here at all. They talk like he's the god of fighting lol. He would get his ass derailed if he was in Tekken, Street Fighter, or SNK😂
You only agree with him because he's apparently a fan of talking out of his ass as much as you are. 😐
DD has been beaten by Cap a couple of time iirc. Their "stalemate" was an off panel exchange typical hero "fight" of misunderstanding before they resolved it, both were holding back and we don't know what happened. ASIDE FROM THAT DD has a hax power with his radar giving him superhuman senses and reflexes which is something BT doesn't have.
Panther has only ever beaten Cap when he was still recovering from the broken state he was in during Civil War and it was STILL close (unless he was referring to BP's dad when Cap was a friggin rookie.. either way... FAIL!)... ASIDE FROM THAT BP has the heart shaped herb, IS superhuman, AND has armor that allows him to contend with class 100 blows.
Crossbones... He's a top tier fighter, with "human" strength that's actually more closely comparible to Bane. (He's sent a car off it's wheels by troll punching it.)... ASIDE FROM THAT, no one said BT couldn't give Cap a hard time, CB giving Cap a hard time is not analogous with BT beating Cap so... once again, fail.
Finally, none of us are "trying" to make Cap out to be superhuman... he IS friggin superhuman. Unless you'd like to start citing examples of "humans" who can heal head shots in a matter of minutes and jump out of airplanes without the aid of a chute...
Go ahead, I'll be waiting.
As for what you think bringing SNK, SF etc adds to THIS debate... I have no idea.
I guess BT isn't shit because he doesn't stack up to guys like Kenpachi, Kenshiro or Goku either huh? 🙄 What a couple of ass-hats.
Originally posted by Marvelknighti admit i havent played tekken in a few yrs and havent kept track of the characters history of:
That's because you can't see pass the fact that it's a game. I'm referring to the story.
King
marshal law
Paul phoenix
either way it doesnt matter since these characters have no bearing nor can be used to support your argument in anyway.
read the forum rules your are derailing the thread with such comments from the actual fight.
Originally posted by King Castle
i admit i havent played tekken in a few yrs and havent kept track of the characters history of:King
marshal law
Paul phoenixeither way it doesnt matter since these characters have no bearing nor can be used to support your argument in anyway.
read the forum rules your are derailing the thread with such comments from the actual fight.
I know that. I'm just saying... It's a little crazy how some thinks it's a stomp. I don't care if you think Steve will win. But I strongly disagree with the idea that it'll be some sweep or stomp. Hell no. Not here it's not.
Originally posted by jinzin
You only agree with him because he's apparently a fan of talking out of his ass as much as you are. 😐DD has been beaten by Cap a couple of time iirc. Their "stalemate" was an off panel exchange typical hero "fight" of misunderstanding before they resolved it, both were holding back and we don't know what happened. ASIDE FROM THAT DD has a hax power with his radar giving him superhuman senses and reflexes which is something BT doesn't have.
Panther has only ever beaten Cap when he was still recovering from the broken state he was in during Civil War and it was STILL close (unless he was referring to BP's dad when Cap was a friggin rookie.. either way... FAIL!)... ASIDE FROM THAT BP has the heart shaped herb, IS superhuman, AND has armor that allows him to contend with class 100 blows.
Crossbones... He's a top tier fighter, with "human" strength that's actually more closely comparible to Bane. (He's sent a car off it's wheels by troll punching it.)... ASIDE FROM THAT, no one said BT couldn't give Cap a hard time, CB giving Cap a hard time is not analogous with BT beating Cap so... once again, fail.
Finally, none of us are "trying" to make Cap out to be superhuman... he IS friggin superhuman. Unless you'd like to start citing examples of "humans" who can heal head shots in a matter of minutes and jump out of airplanes without the aid of a chute...
Go ahead, I'll be waiting.As for what you think bringing SNK, SF etc adds to THIS debate... I have no idea.
I guess BT isn't shit because he doesn't stack up to guys like Kenpachi, Kenshiro or Goku either huh? 🙄 What a couple of ass-hats.
Why are you still talking to me? Did you bring prof of Bronze Tiger? No.. So it's only your opinion that you're going off of. And I have proven that Bronze Tiger can make this fight very, very close. And he can even win. Point is if Catseye's speed and agility wasn't enough, Steve's won't be. And Steve will get hit. You guys can't prove that BT can't.
Originally posted by King Castle
what feats does catseye's have to make you believe he has equal superior speed agility and even so fighting skills similar or above Cap?
Well that's what he's known for. Catseye is an assassin with low level superhuman speed and leaping ability. Steve isn't superhuman, man... 😬
Originally posted by Marvelknightagain what feats.. you have asked people here to walk you through the character asking for proof of them and now we and i mean i am asking you for hard solid evidence of the character nothing i know of the character supports your interpretation of the character.
Well that's what he's known for. Catseye is an assassin with low level superhuman speed and leaping ability. Steve isn't superhuman, man... 😬
there are vastly more powerful assassins/killers in comics who by definition and title are leaps and bounds beings like catseyes in skill and physical attributes who would regularly get the poop pushed in by guys like Matt.
that doesnt mean anything for either character b/c at the end he is just fodder with no background, character history and feats to support him on his own or be used as an argument support.
so i like to see feats please and references.
Originally posted by stay_hood
captain america was stalemeted by daredevil and taken out by black panther he is not that big of a deal people are trying to make him super human while freakin crossbones sometimes give him trouble , i say its a split 5/10 and i am talking from a non biased opinion
Other than when DD ambushed the Avengers in the dark, all of the Cap vs DD fights have ended with DD running away, koed, or with Cap having the advantage... and they all have circumstances like Cap being poisoned and holding back. Black Panther took out Cap in a sparing match, which as NO relevance on a fight. Tim Drake beat Shiva in a sparing match, see where I'm going with this? Crossbomes usually gets railed by Cap, and Bones is a top tier fight pushing Cap level strength.
Do your homework.
Originally posted by King Castle
again what feats.. you have asked people here to walk you through the character asking for proof of them and now we and i mean i am asking you for hard solid evidence of the character nothing i know of the character supports your interpretation of the character.there are vastly more powerful assassins/killers in comics who by definition and title are leaps and bounds beings like catseyes in skill and physical attributes who would regularly get the poop pushed in by guys like Matt.
that doesnt mean anything for either character b/c at the end he is just fodder with no background, character history and feats to support him on his own or be used as an argument support.
so i like to see feats please and references.
Again Steve isn't superhuman get over it and move on. This is what I mean when I say that characters in the creation its self are established as who and what they're supposed to be and what they are capable of. You should know by research alone that Catseye didn't have a very long career as a character to have many feats. King Castle I know how to debate and see what you're trying to do. Not working. I have deep understanding with comic books.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Again Steve isn't superhuman get over it and move on. This is what I mean when I say that characters in the creation its self are established as who and what they're supposed to be and what they are capable of. You should know by research alone that Catseye didn't have a very long career as a character to have feats. King Castle I know how to debate and see what you're trying to do. Not working. I have deep understanding with comic books.
Steve is blatantly superhuman. He has the strength of 20 men and runs 60mph while carrying a full grown men. He sees bullets in slow motion and jumps out of planes without parachutes, shattering the ground where he lands. He benches 1200lbs without breaking a sweet and has shrugged off machine gunfire even without his armor. He has grabbed a speeding car and stopped it in its tracks. Catseye's only feat is jumping through a skylight... Captain America has jumped over telephone lines, even in jumping capability Steve has him beat. Steve Rogers is superhuman... maybe you should read about him before you offer an opinion of what he is capable of?
how is steve not superhuman?! 😑
his career is littered with superhuman feats and statements of his phsyical attributes.
Blackwidow even shot him in the gut recently to stop a fight between DP and him and stated to cap he be fine in a few hours "his" healing factor would regenerate him..
then you have him throw boulders like missiles across rooftops.
look, everyone here has been extremely courteous to you when we would have pounced on you like quanchi on starscream or Starscream on chompers or chompers on colossus B or whatever his name is.
facepalm2
we need a ruling here, we have all gone out of our way to educate you on the characters and even requested that you look at the respect threads even then we have had to give examples which were already evident in the respect thread had you taken the time to look through them.
after all this, i am forced to conclude that you are not only unwilling to accept character abilities and history but it is being done for one specific reason and one reason only.
we here dont come in trying to win every debate and argue for that sole reason but to expand and share our knowledge of the character using evidence, reference, logic and most importantly an informed decision.
Originally posted by King Castle
look, everyone here has been extremely courteous to you
No they haven't, no they haven't at all. Don't start.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No Steve is not, and I'll it say 1000 times. Hell No. I don't give a damn how many feats you put up. MARVEL COMICS>>>>>> over the opinion of what the reader "thinks". FACT is he's peak human. MARVEL states that. Their creation not yours.
Its really open to interpretation. Hell they say Elektra has no superhuman powers, despite showing telepathy and telekinesis. Sometimes Marvel talks crap.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
No Steve is not, and I'll it say 1000 times. Hell No. I don't give a damn how many feats you put up. MARVEL COMICS>>>>>> over the opinion of what the reader "thinks". FACT is he's peak human. MARVEL states that. Their creation not yours.
Marvel comics "states" that Steve is a super solider. Super Soldier. Super. SUPER. Rogers has been referenced as being enhanced or super on panel way more than he has ever been called "peak human." Rogers being peak human is handbook talk, and we don't traffic in hand book nonsense here. In comics he is the absolute pinnacle of potential human evolution, which is superhuman compared to normal peak humans. Cable and Bucky have both stated Cap is like something like 3 times theirbetter in every way, and both of them are pushing peak (according to Cable himself he is a peak mutant which is > peak human)
Originally posted by Marvelknightbafoonery
No Steve is not, and I'll it say 1000 times. Hell No. I don't give a damn how many feats you put up. MARVEL COMICS>>>>>> over the opinion of what the reader "thinks". FACT is he's peak human. MARVEL states that. Their creation not yours.
his feats put him FIRMLY in the super catagory.