Originally posted by Grate the VrayaI don't think he cared really, and apprentices tend to have to do the shit jobs that get you killed. Being a Sith apprentice is a thankless and dangerous thing to be.
I don't really think he set up maul did he? I'll admit that he definitely betrayed dooku. I was thinking of the EU.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, go on...
Secondly there didnt used to be "sith". It used to be that alot of people could use the force. Just that some poeple chose the dark side and some chose the light side. That didnt automatically give you the designation of darth. That was just a pseudonym that Anakin adopted when he betrayed his fellow jedi. Now all the sudden u get a red light saber and a pointless nickname when you go to the dark side. And apperently lightning is evil so thats a sith power too. Its like a damn video game all the sudden. And another how is "force choke" a sith power..... isnt telekinesis just one of the perks of having the force. You can choke someone if you have telekinesis.
Originally posted by Grate the Vraya
I don't really think he set up maul did he? I'll admit that he definitely betrayed dooku. I was thinking of the EU.
But EU or not you'd have to be the apprentice to some Sith Lord and you'd think they would - while seeing you as promising - discard you if you became a threat or use you as a pawn to recruit or take out someone else.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow ZWell, by discard, do you mean kill? Because if not, then that just means I'm free to do whatevs I please.
But EU or not you'd have to be the apprentice to some Sith Lord and you'd think they would - while seeing you as promising - discard you if you became a threat or use you as a pawn to recruit or take out someone else.
Originally posted by Bardock42Sure, it's just life's hard mode compared to the other three.
Yeah, but that's the dadudemon blah blah. If you are the mary-sue best, it doesn't matter, either of the 4 is chillaxed then.
Originally posted by omgchos
Secondly there didnt used to be "sith". It used to be that alot of people could use the force. Just that some poeple chose the dark side and some chose the light side. That didnt automatically give you the designation of darth. That was just a pseudonym that Anakin adopted when he betrayed his fellow jedi. Now all the sudden u get a red light saber and a pointless nickname when you go to the dark side. And apperently lightning is evil so thats a sith power too. Its like a damn video game all the sudden. And another how is "force choke" a sith power..... isnt telekinesis just one of the perks of having the force. You can choke someone if you have telekinesis.
I think you are getting a couple of things mixed up.
Originally posted by omgchos
Na i just love to tell people why the prequels and the EU all kind of killed the magic of star wars.
I wouldn't agree with the EU killing Star Wars, I've enjoyed a lot of the stories after the OT and they explain a future after the OT very well.
The X-Wing Squadron, New Jedi Order and many other isolated story arcs have kept Star Wars alive when it would have faded away.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I wouldn't agree with the EU killing Star Wars, I've enjoyed a lot of the stories after the OT and they explain a future after the OT very well.The X-Wing Squadron, New Jedi Order and many other isolated story arcs have kept Star Wars alive when it would have faded away.
Originally posted by Bardock42
A lot of people being able to use the force,
Some people choosing to be dark and others light.
Darth just being a pseudonym Anakin adopted
Lighting having been intended as just a general force power.
A) Its not like in the 1000 generations that people have been using the force (maybe longer) that it was only jedi and sith who could do it. Obi Wan basically told is it binds the galaxy together.... so its not just for them.
B)I'm pretty sure that to utilize the force you have to be sentient in some way and have free will.... therefore its a choice.
C) In all three of the original movies no one ever used "darth" as a title... in fact many poeple called him "Lord Vader". So what he's Lord Darth? See when someone has a rank or title their last name goes with it. Like how they called han solo "general Solo" And lando "general callrissian".
D) and lastly the lighting was a plot device. The emperor is a beast. He is old an powerful (and btw vader being more powerful is nonsense) He could have done so many things to luke. Stop his heart, choke him, crush him into a tiny mound of flesh. But he wanted to torture him. So he let go of some of that awesome energy he can utilize. If he could do it why couldnt other people who are very stong with the force?
Originally posted by omgchos
Star wars wouldnt have faded away any more that Indiana jones and and the like. The originals will always be there in the annals of film history. Most people don't even know or care about all the EU books, graphic novels, etc. Ill admit some of the sequel stories are pretty good, but as a whole it just seems like someone sits there and writes a bunch of BS stories about every puppet and cgi creature Lucas ever stuck into the movies. And the fact that between the second and third prequel a bunch of books came out telling you the story up to that point was lazy and insulting. He released the revenge of the sith w/o any of us knowing who the **** grievous was or any of the events of the clone wars. Its that kind of thing that ruined the magic.
I can't speak for the prequel fiction having not read it but the ones based after the OT are faithful and gives us more of the universe. I can't agree that the EU is not popular because save watching the OT over and over again SW fans don't have anything else 'Star Wars' to fixate on but the EU.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I can't speak for the prequel fiction having not read it but the ones based after the OT are faithful and gives us more of the universe. I can't agree that the EU is not popular because save watching the OT over and over again SW fans don't have anything else 'Star Wars' to fixate on but the EU.
Originally posted by omgchosC) In all three of the original movies no one ever used "darth" as a title... in fact many poeple called him "Lord Vader". So what he's Lord Darth? See when someone has a rank or title their last name goes with it. Like how they called han solo "general Solo" And lando "general callrissian".
That's wrong. In ROTJ when Luke is talking to ghost Obi-Wan on Dagobah he refers to Vader as 'Darth'.
Obi-Wan: Your father... was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and *became* Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true... from a certain point of view.