Wizard, Death Eater, Jedi or Sith?

Originally posted by omgchos
The point i was making was that he wasnt mocking him when he said it. His tone was that of "matter of fact" which goes with the rest of the line. If he were mocking he might have mentioned something of his betrayal.
And dont you think in Return he might have mentiond something of the sith and how everyone who becomes one becomes darth. All he basically said was that he changed his name. Albeit no matter how you look at something someone somewhere will always see it differently, but i never once heard someone refer to him as just "darth" accept obi wan. i only ever heard "Darth Vader", Lord Vader" and "Vader". In fact in the first movie the emperor doesnt even call him darth.

His tone was mocking and confident because he knew if he got killed he could do the ghost thing and still mentor Luke, it was hardly matter of fact. He wouldn't mention anything of the betrayal because there would be no point; to Obi-Wan he's too far gone for anything to impact him. As he says 'He's more machine now than man, twisted and evil' Only Luke sensed the good in him and the conflict. It doesn't matter that only Obi-Wan refers to him as Darth, it is still ambiguous as to whether its an name or a title, it could be any.

Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader does not definitively mean that 'Anakin' became 'Darth' and 'Skywalker' became 'Vader'. None of this is proved in the OT through dialogue or anything else (its all about interpretation) and the argument is somewhat moot as the PT explicitly gives us the fact that it's a Sith title. And the PT is connected to the OT, however badly.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
and the argument is somewhat moot as the PT explicitly gives us the fact that it's a Sith title. And the PT is connected to the OT, however badly.

Originally posted by omgchos
Why lawn trimmings?

I find the smell to be intoxicating.

Originally posted by omgchos
Ill address these one at a time.

A) Its not like in the 1000 generations that people have been using the force (maybe longer) that it was only jedi and sith who could do it. Obi Wan basically told is it binds the galaxy together.... so its not just for them.

There is not a single information or comment about the nature of force users in the past, besides that Jedi existed. It is true that the word Sith wasn't uttered, but neither was it stated that there were other dark side Jedi. Additionally, there is no reason to assume that because something "binds the galaxy together" that everyone can manipulate it. Though your point is moot anyways, as neither the EU nor the prequels say that there can't be Dark Jedi who are not Sith.

Originally posted by omgchos
B)I'm pretty sure that to utilize the force you have to be sentient in some way and have free will.... therefore its a choice.

Sentinence does not mean you have complete free will. It doesn't even imply any free will. Even if the being who are able to utilize the force have free will it does not mean that their decisions about the nature of the force is free.

Originally posted by omgchos
C) In all three of the original movies no one ever used "darth" as a title... in fact many poeple called him "Lord Vader". So what he's Lord Darth? See when someone has a rank or title their last name goes with it. Like how they called han solo "general Solo" And lando "general callrissian".

You had a good argument for that later. Obi Wan using it as his first name. The argument you brought here though doesn't conclusively prove anything. Darth and Lord could both be titles "Vader" has.

Originally posted by omgchos
D) and lastly the lighting was a plot device. The emperor is a beast. He is old an powerful (and btw vader being more powerful is nonsense) He could have done so many things to luke. Stop his heart, choke him, crush him into a tiny mound of flesh. But he wanted to torture him. So he let go of some of that awesome energy he can utilize. If he could do it why couldnt other people who are very stong with the force?

All we know from the movies is that the Emperor used force lightning and that no one else did. From this little evidence we can't logically conclude that others can too, it could be a power only he ever developed, it could be a power only darksiders can use or it could be a power anyone can use if sufficiently powerful, there's no evidence to exclude any of these possibilities though.

Originally posted by Robtard
I find the smell to be intoxicating.

Originally posted by Robtard
There's only one way to ultimately solve this impasse, you two have to wrestle naked in a tub filled warmed KY Jelly and lawn trimmings.

❌

Originally posted by Bardock42
There is not a single information or comment about the nature of force users in the past, besides that Jedi existed. It is true that the word Sith wasn't uttered, but neither was it stated that there were other dark side Jedi. Additionally, there is no reason to assume that because something "binds the galaxy together" that everyone can manipulate it. Though your point is moot anyways, as neither the EU nor the prequels say that there can't be Dark Jedi who are not Sith.

Sentinence does not mean you have complete free will. It doesn't even imply any free will. Even if the being who are able to utilize the force have free will it does not mean that their decisions about the nature of the force is free.

You had a good argument for that later. Obi Wan using it as his first name. The argument you brought here though doesn't conclusively prove anything. Darth and Lord could both be titles "Vader" has.

All we know from the movies is that the Emperor used force lightning and that no one else did. From this little evidence we can't logically conclude that others can too, it could be a power only he ever developed, it could be a power only darksiders can use or it could be a power anyone can use if sufficiently powerful, there's no evidence to exclude any of these possibilities though.

A)My point from the beginning has been that the prequels ruined the magic of star wars. And they are the movies that introduced the sith and the darth title. So what im saying is that george lucas took a cool sounding name and because he was lazy and cant make good stories or characters by himself he decided that it would be easier just to make that every bad guys title if they were on the dark side of the force. Granted i cant look into his mind and say this for a fact, but i think the fact that no one ever even refered to the emperor as darth or sidious in the any of the origionals speaks for itself. I mean they couldnt say sidious enough in the prequels.

B)I dont see how anything without self awareness could use something as powerful as the force. I mean luke has to concentrate to get it to work sometimes, obviously until he practices so i dont see what point your making. And its also obvious from what yoda told luke in Empire that if you are aware that there is a dark and light side of the force you have a choice which path to follow. Even vader was "seduced by the dark side" so its not like its genetic.... so its gotta be free will.

C)Same point from my first argument there, George got lazy.

D)That is basically what im saying. It is open to interpretation. But when dooku goes up against yoda he just pops it. Which leads me again to believe that Lucas again stole imagry from the original star wars trilogy to make his prequels better. I mean with the entire mythology of the EU, you obviously cant put it all in a movie. But it was all after the fact stuff to back up the prequels. See when you watch a movie and go "why" or "huh" but then go home and read some EU stuff and go "Oh now i get it" it means its not a very good movie.

Originally posted by Robtard
I find the smell to be intoxicating.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Funny, so does Hermione Granger.

Originally posted by Robtard
As are you, you're not factoring in that the wizard is almost constantly in need of food and/or is about to die.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Same goes for the Jedi. I can carry a large pizza, ten pies and a case of soda in Hermione's pouch ✅

Originally posted by omgchos
And a tent that's got 5 rooms and a fully stocked kitchen.

Cuz magic is more powerful.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Same goes for the Jedi. I can carry a large pizza, ten pies and a case of soda in Hermione's pouch ✅

That's only going to get you so far, like maybe dungeon level 6. Then wave of wave of grunts come and you'd need food again.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's only going to get you so far, like maybe dungeon level 6.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And what chos said.

Ghost can go right through that tent, yo. Then there's also thieves.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ghost can go right through that tent, yo. Then there's also thieves.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Repello muggletum. WTF is a ghost gonna do?

Reduce your life-points to zero, duh.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Pretty sure people are choosing their personal fave, not thinking of the lifestyle they would have to take on.

Originally posted by Robtard
Reduce your life-points to zero, duh.