Cassandra Cain Vs Midnighter

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What flesh do you see there at all? Give me a kit-kat break! Ugh. Anyway, let's take this and run with it. After all, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this winning new argument (not really as I've seen you pull this card several times) of yours:

SOMEHOW, accepting that Midnighter is strong and fast enough to kick a tank shell in mid-flight...

... REQUIRES you to also accept the PIS that Wolverine's skeleton can move around without any musculature from a molten steel vat.

Da. F@ck? 🤨

What else happens when I accept that Midnighter's strong and fast enough to kick a fired tank shell? If I accept that... it also means somehow that Spiderman can knock out Firelord? If I accept that... it also means somehow that Black Panther can armbar Silver Surfer?

Really? This parade of horribles that is about to descend on all of us, will happen simply because we accept that Midnighter is above street level fare and he's strong/fast enough to kick a fired tank shell (because he actually did it on-panel among other things but you think IDLI, IDH = PIS)? Should I be scared for the sanity of KMC over this? KMC Chaos Wars will reign?! This is the Final Crisis on Infinite KMC Threads?!?!?! All because I think Midnighter is stronger than you give him credit for because you can't look at panels straight?

I'm scared now. You're like the motherphucking Batman, here. Scaring people straight. I made the following sig just for you srankmissingnin and this new fear-inducing, "Midnighter can't be that strong/fast otherwise Wolverine's skeleton justifiably climbs out of vats" argument you can add to your Wolverithmetics textbook for how to argue on KMC. Here ya go:

Beware KMC. It happens in APRIL. Dun dun dun!!!!!!11111

...

Oh! You are trolling aren't you! Ah ha, you had me for awhile, but there is no way any you are really this obtuse. Nice try, but I'm onto you now.

^ All I did was expose your "Midnighter kicking a fired tank shell is exactly like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat" rheotoric. It's a tired piece of crap that's been mud-stomped now.

Thanks for the Wolverithmetics session. Don't bring it up again if you can help it. If past practice is any indication, there's not much hope of that, but hey... maybe if I attacked it, you'd knock this off:

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Examples of Cap actually koing or doing significant damage to a Brick occurs about as often as Wolverine eating nukes, falling in the vats of molten metal and climbing out, or getting reduced to his skeleton and regenerating... and no one has any problem ignoring those

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine's skull can't be penetrated . . . I know they happened, now tell my why they are valid. Obviously they took place on panel but you know what else took place on panel? Wolverine climbed out of a vat of molten metal

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Midnighter kicking a tank shell is PIS. It doesn't make any sense. If he kicked it hard enough to stop it's trajectory and send it back at the tank... it would explode. If you are going to use a nonsensical bullshit feat like that then I'm going to bring up Wolverine survive two nukes, being incinerated by Nitro and falling into a vat of molten metal and climbing out.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I liked it fine, Caps the shit, but that doesn't mean it isn't PIS. I liked it when Wolverine climbed out of that vat of molten metal and was fine.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ All I did was expose your "Midnighter kicking a fired tank shell is exactly like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat" rheotoric. It's a tired piece of crap that's been mud-stomped now.

Thanks for the Wolverithmetics session. Don't bring it up again if you can help it.

Soooooooo you aren't trolling and really are that dense? 😑

It's PIS because it doesn't fall inline with any of Midighter's other appearances. Frankly, how it relates to other examples of PIS is inconsequential, I just thought I do you a favour and provide some since you didn't seem to understand what PIS entailed. You don't like that example? Then pick another one - I gave you half a dozen - or don't. Ignore them all if you'd like. It doesn't really matter one way or another. The feat is PIS because of how it relates to Midnighters own history, anything more than that was simply an attempt to help simple little boys along the path to enlightenment. Clearly the amount of hand holding you need in order to comprehend simple concepts is more than I can give you...

How you get by day to day life without constant adult supervision is baffling...

^ Shut up about PIS. "You didn't like it, so it didn't happen." That's all it is. Your immature complaints over plain on-panel feats have literally NO RELEVANCE to their validity during argumentation.

You can try to control the contours of a losing argument by arbitrarily reducing the relevant evidence at hand but all you're doing is refusing to accept the facts as they're plainly presented.

One thing is to say, "I didn't like it, it didn't happen." It's a completely different thing entirely to argue, "I didn't like it, it didn't happen. It makes as much sense as Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of molten steel." It's again another whole thing entirely to then say, "I didn't like it, it didn't happen... and also Daredevil can tear steel train railings with his bare hands, Batman can spit teeth out like bullets with the force of high caliber rounds, Punisher can fist-fight the rogue Doctor and get kicked across a landscape and not be bothered. Midnighter's stats/feats are street-level fare."

The decension into absurdity simply because you don't like sh1t that happens is not the comics fault, it's not my fault, it's your fault. Get over it. Then again, we know you won't.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Shut up about PIS. "You didn't like it, so it didn't happen." That's all it is. Your immature complaints over plain on-panel feats have literally NO RELEVANCE to their validity during argumentation.

You can try to control the contours of a losing argument by arbitrarily reducing the relevant evidence at hand but all you're doing is refusing to accept the facts as they're plainly presented.

One thing is to say, "I didn't like it, it didn't happen." It's a completely different thing entirely to argue, "I didn't like it, it didn't happen. It makes as much sense as Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of molten steel." It's again another whole thing entirely to then say, "I didn't like it, it didn't happen... and also Daredevil can tear steel train railings with his bare hands, Batman can spit teeth out like bullets with the force of high caliber rounds, Punisher can fist-fight the rogue Doctor and get kicked across a landscape and not be bothered. Midnighter's stats/feats are street-level fare."

The decension into absurdity simply because you don't like sh1t that happens is not the comics fault, it's not my fault, it's your fault. Get over it. Then again, we know you won't.

My dislike for the feat has no baring or relevance on wether a feat is or isn't PIS. Outside of it being kind of cool, I don't care about it one way or another, I'm completely ambivalent. Which is why I can be objective and say that while it may be cool, it is still PIS. It's inconsistent with how Midnighter is portrayed, simple as that. You constantly stammering "Midnighter beat a Gamora soldier!!!!" doesn't alleviate the fact that you haven't - and further more can't - provide a single representative of the same strength level required to accomplish the tank shell kick. It is out of line with Midnighter's standard opperating levels. That is what PIS, if you think it is something else, then ask a mod to clear it up for you, because I can't make this any clearer...

Stop being childish.

Incredible.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
My dislike for the feat has no baring or relevance on wether a feat is or isn't PIS. Outside of it being kind of cool, I don't care about it one way or another, I'm completely ambivalent. Which is why I can be objective and say that while it may be cool, it is still PIS. It's inconsistent with how Midnighter is portrayed, simple as that. You constantly stammering "Midnighter beat a Gamora soldier!!!!" doesn't alleviate the fact that you haven't - and further more can't - provide a [b]single representative of the same strength level required to accomplish the tank shell kick. It is out of line with Midnighter's standard opperating levels. That is what PIS, if you think it is something else, then ask a mod to clear it up for you, because I can't make this any clearer...

Stop being childish. [/B]

"I'm losing this argument badly. But that can't be. Because me losing an argument would be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there."

Also, that underlined part? Seriously, gtfo.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ What flesh do you see there at all? Give me a kit-kat break! Ugh. Anyway, let's take this and run with it. After all, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this winning new argument (not really as I've seen you pull this card several times) of yours:

SOMEHOW, accepting that Midnighter is strong and fast enough to kick a tank shell in mid-flight...

... REQUIRES you to also accept the PIS that Wolverine's skeleton can move around without any musculature from a molten steel vat.

Da. F@ck? 🤨

What else happens when I accept that Midnighter's strong and fast enough to kick a fired tank shell? If I accept that... it also means somehow that Spiderman can knock out Firelord? If I accept that... it also means somehow that Black Panther can armbar Silver Surfer?

Really? This parade of horribles that is about to descend on all of us, will happen simply because we accept that Midnighter is above street level fare and he's strong/fast enough to kick a fired tank shell (because he actually did it on-panel among other things but you think IDLI, IDH = PIS)? Should I be scared for the sanity of KMC over this? KMC Chaos Wars will reign?! This is the Final Crisis on Infinite KMC Threads?!?!?! All because I think Midnighter is stronger than you give him credit for because you can't look at panels straight?

I'm scared now. You're like the motherphucking Batman, here. Scaring people straight. I made the following sig just for you srankmissingnin and this new fear-inducing, "Midnighter can't be that strong/fast otherwise Wolverine's skeleton justifiably climbs out of vats" argument you can add to your Wolverithmetics textbook for how to argue on KMC. Here ya go:

Beware KMC. It happens in APRIL. Dun dun dun!!!!!!11111

I mean that shit happened too, which seems to be your take in order for us having to accept Midnighter kicking a tank shell based on strength.

If it isn't PIS, then there must be a number of other feats that suggest comparible strength likened to the shell feat no?

Originally posted by Deadline
Incredible.

You have something you'd like to share with rest of class?

What? No? Oh, you aren't familiar with either of these characters to comment? Oh. Just trolling? K, gotcha.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You have something you'd like to share with rest of class?

What? No? Oh, you aren't familiar with either of these characters to comment? Oh. Just trolling? K, gotcha.

You just so sure of yourself as well, thats what gets me.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wait.... are you saying that you don't accept Spiderman punching out Firelord, or BP armbaring BP?

I mean that shit happened too, which seems to be your take in order for us having to accept Midnighter kicking a tank shell based on strength.

If it isn't PIS, then there must be a number of other feats that suggest comparible strength likened to the shell feat no?

Hes listed them.

^ srankmissingnin's response: "No. He didn't list any that I like. Because for me to accept those... well... that'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of molten steel with no muscles. So there."

Originally posted by jinzin
Wait.... are you saying that you don't accept Spiderman punching out Firelord, or BP armbaring BP?

I mean that shit happened too, which seems to be your take in order for us having to accept Midnighter kicking a tank shell based on strength.

If it isn't PIS, then there must be a number of other feats that suggest comparible strength likened to the shell feat no?

Thanks for that. The Wolverithmetic session already happened. I don't need a repeat.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Translation:

"I'm losing this argument badly. But that can't be. Because me losing an argument would be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there."

Also, that underlined part? Seriously, gtfo.

😆

Dude, you haven't countered a single point, and your entire argument is essentially "Uh, how can it even be PIS? It happened, it can't be PIS cause it happened? Look right here, here, it happened! Did you see? It happened, so how is it PIS. Retire your faulty logic, and at least to try and come up with an argument with some actually weight to it.

It is like that retarded prayer. "Ah if Jesus isn't real, then who didn't for our sins, huh? HUH?"

Originally posted by Deadline
Hes listed them.

Perhaps he can post them?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Dude, you haven't countered a single point, and your entire argument is essentially "Uh, how can it even be PIS? It happened, it can't be PIS cause it happened? Look right here, here, it happened! Did you see? It happened, so how is it PIS. Retire your faulty logic, and at least to try and come up with an argument with some actually weight to it.

It is like that retarded prayer. "Ah if Jesus isn't real, then who didn't for our sins, huh? HUH?"

"Midnighter can't be strong/fast enough to be kicking tank shells... because that's like accepting Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat."

Wolverithmetics ftw, amirite? 👆

Going back to the Slade/Midnighter comparison, I'd say MN's combat computer is significantly more of an advantage than Slade's brain enhancements. Slade can work out stuff on the fly pretty well with his thought speed, but the combat computer is like having that and being able to sit down for ten minutes to work stuff out to boot, plus paired with super senses to scan an opponent's capabilities.

A much harder obstacle for Cass purely on the mental level.

Originally posted by Deadline
Hes listed them.

Jesus.

HOW ON EARTH IS BLITZING A CANNON FODDER GAMORA SOLIDER , BENDING A SECTION OF POST APOCALYPTIC RAIL ROAD TRACK, AND TANKING A PUNCH, EVIDENCE OF THE STRENGTH NEEDED TO REDIRECT A ****ING ARTILLERY SHELLL! THEY AREN'T EVEN COMPARABLE!!!

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Trying to project a begging the question fallacy when you're arguing a false absolute fallacy is serious irony.

"Midnighter can't be strong/fast enough to be kicking tank shells... because that's like accepting Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat."

Wolverithmetics ftw, amirite? 👆

Midnighter can't be strong / fast enough to be kicking tank shells... because he has never displayed anywhere near that level of strength before or since. Simple.

Maybe you should read some Midnighter appearances?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Jesus.

[B]HOW ON EARTH IS MIDNIGHTER BEING A BIT MORE STRONGER THAN I GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR, EVIDENCE THAT WOLVERINE'S SKELETON CAN CLIMB OUT OF A MOLTEN STEEL VAT WITH NO MUSCLES! THEY AREN'T EVEN COMPARABLE!!!

[/B]

Feigning sincere trepidation when you essentially conclude that Daredevil can tear steel train rails with his bare hands, Batman can spit teeth like high-caliber rounds, Punisher can fistfight the rogue Doctor and get kicked across a landscape unphased and that Cap can instantly kill a building-demolishing meta in a blink? Really? Please.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Translation: "Midnighter kicking a fired tank shell is exactly like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat with no muscles. So there."

Thanks for that. The Wolverithmetic session already happened. I don't need a repeat.

No I think the translation is more akin to if example A of PIS counts because it happened, every other example of PIS also counts because it happened.
Bottem line being "it happened" is not an excuse to use something as a forum proof of evidence.

Not hard to follow.

Of course if this IS in line with MNers standard presentation that there should be a number of feats in the same weight class no?

So where are they?

Or.... wait, how much strength do you think it requires to kick a tank shell backwards?