Thinking Midnighter is stronger than you're willing to give him credit for isn't the same leap of logic required to think that a skeleton can move without muscles while dipped in a molten steel vat.
The only thing you need to do with the former is not arbitrarily dismiss MNer's feats and pretend that Daredevil rips up section of train rails and that Punisher can get kicked across the landscape unphased.
The latter requires lunacy.
Acting like this "analogy" actually analogizes? Comedy.
Originally posted by jinzin
No I think the translation is more akin to if example A of PIS counts because it happened, every other example of PIS also counts because it happened.
Bottem line being "it happened" is not an excuse to use something as a forum proof of evidence.Not hard to follow.
Of course if this IS in line with MNers standard presentation that there should be a number of feats in the same weight class no?
So where are they?
Or.... wait, how much strength do you think it requires to kick a tank shell backwards?
Do you just have to agree with srank? Srank said that other street levelers had better feats he failed to prove it, so its not like anything.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Fixed.Feigning sincere trepidation when you essentially conclude that Daredevil can tear steel train rails with his bare hands, Batman can spit teeth like high-caliber rounds, Punisher can fistfight the rogue Doctor and get kicked across a landscape unphased and that Cap can instantly kill a building-demolishing meta in a blink? Really? Please.
I hope the wizard gives you a brain when you and Dorthy get to the Emerald City, Scarecrow. Maybe then you can stop Strawmaning?
Originally posted by Deadline
Do you just have to agree with srank? Srank said that other street levelers had better feats he failed to prove it, so its not like anything.
Do you really need me to provide the class 2 level feats to show top streets are on the same level as Midnighter? Seriously? Go look at a respect thread...
^ Right. I'd love to see where Nightwing spits his teeth out with the force of a high-calibur bullet. Or where Huntress tears a section of steel railing with her hands. Or where Mockingbird gets kicked in the face, sent flying across a landscape and has time to make a wry request in mid-flight. Or where Red Hood's double hits Apollo in the ear and shatters his eardrum. Or where Nick Fury instantly kills a building-demolishing metahuman who can race around the world in seconds in a blink with only his fists when standing a dozen feet away and staring him straight in the eye. Or where Deadpool mushroom slaps a howitzer round. By all means.
Originally posted by srankmissingninTranslation: "You must be doign something wrong, argumentatively... because you can't be rebutting all my points and revealing my transparent rheteoric. Why... that'd be like Wolverine climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there."
I hope the wizard gives you a brain when you and Dorthy get to the Emerald City, Scarecrow. Maybe then you can stop Strawmaning?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Do you really need me to provide the class 2 level feats to show top streets are on the same level as Midnighter? Seriously? Go look at a respect thread...
Look you failed to prove that Cho and Punisher have better or comparable feats, not even going into the train track.
Originally posted by Deadline
Look you failed to prove that Cho and Punisher have better or comparable feats, not even going into the train track.
I listed a Punisher feat and a Cho feat. You just don't think the Cho feat is applicable and I beg to differ. Cho calculated the success of defeating Chaos King in his head an "infinite" amount of times, every possible strategy, calculated the possible trajectory for a barely of spears and threw them so it would impossible to dodge them all, and destroyed a robot with a coin.. I'm sure there is more than that. Cho would have no f&cking problem altering the trajectory of a projectile. I'
^ Cho can't physically slap an artillery shell back into the gun it was fired from. Don't be obtuse.
Originally posted by StyleTimeohno
Little known fact.srankmissingnin and OneDumbG0 are best friends in real life.
Another little known fact:
"srankmissingnin and OneDumbG0 not being best friends? Why... that'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there."
Originally posted by Deadline
Do you just have to agree with srank? Srank said that other street levelers had better feats he failed to prove it, so its not like anything.
Do you just "have to" argue against us?
It really has nothing to do with Srank.
How strong does one need to be to kick a tank shell backwards?
Afaik MNer has a strength capacity of 2-3 tons...
Most of the representations of him that I've seen fit into this category if not lower.
If he's supposed to be a great deal stronger, he would have a laundry list of feats to support it right?
Originally posted by srankmissingninYou're not my dear ole da? Well of course you're not. "Because... that'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there."
He hates me because I'm not his real dad.
Totally forced analogous situation that, through comparative logic, reveals the butt-hurt truth of the proposition at issue.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Right. I'd love to see where Nightwing spits his teeth out with the force of a high-calibur bullet. Or where Huntress tears a section of steel railing with her hands. Or where Mockingbird gets kicked in the face, sent flying across a landscape and has time to make a wry request in mid-flight. Or where Red Hood's double hits Apollo in the ear and shatters his eardrum. Or where Nick Fury instantly kills a building-demolishing metahuman who can race around the world in seconds in a blink with only his fists when standing a dozen feet away and staring him straight in the eye. Or where Deadpool mushroom slaps a howitzer round. By all means.
Christ, such a fallacious argument. Two of those feats are blatant PIS, one is being artificially bolstered WAY above what is... and the rest have all been replicated by several streets, or at least something of equivalent impressiveness.
Originally posted by jinzin
Do you just "have to" argue against us?It really has nothing to do with Srank.
How strong does one need to be to kick a tank shell backwards?
Afaik MNer has a strength capacity of 2-3 tons...
Most of the representations of him that I've seen fit into this category if not lower.
If he's supposed to be a great deal stronger, he would have a laundry list of feats to support it right?
You dont need a laundry list, you need enough.
Don't remember arguing with you with the wolverine bullet in the brain thingy.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You're not my dear ole da? Well of course you're not. "Because... that'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there."Totally
forcedanalogous situation that, through comparative logic, reveals thebutt-hurttruth of the proposition at issue.
I'm glade found a life preserver to save your sinking argument, but next time you might try latching onto something that actually helps your case? Just so I know, how long are you going to flap your arms like a chicken while you try and keep your head above water with this strawmaning?
Originally posted by srankmissingninLOL. Of course another one of the feats is PIS! Why... it'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat!!!!1 So there!!!1
Christ, such a fallacious argument. Two of those feats are blatant PIS, one is being artificially bolstered WAY above what is... and the rest have all been replicated by several streets, or at least something of equivalent impressiveness.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Another little known fact:"srankmissingnin and OneDumbG0 [b]not
being best friends? Why... that'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat. So there." [/B]
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He hates me because I'm not his real dad.
😂 I actually laughed at both of these. I love you guys.
You too Deadline.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
LOL. Of course another one of the feats is PIS! Why... it'd be like Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat!!!!1 So there!!!1
One time only feats that are outside the parameters of a characters abilities as consistantly represented on panel are PIS. If you don't want to get called out for using PIS feats, don't use them. A novel idea I know, but give it a try sometime.
Originally posted by srankmissingninBringing your inane rheteoric to the forefront of our conversation simply reveals the disingenuity of your "request" in this "debate." We're arguing about evidence in the first instance. You say it's invalid, arbitrarily, to the same extent as Wolverine's skeleton climbing out of a molten steel vat.
I'm glade found a life preserver to save your sinking argument, but next time you might try latching onto something that actually helps your case? Just so I know, how long are you going to flap your arms like a chicken while you try and keep your head above water with this strawmaning?
You then sit on your hands and facetiously ask for more evidence in the second instance to bolster the evidence in the first instance. We give it to you. You then PRETEND to be an arbiter over what evidence in the second instance is to qualify your arbitrary conclusions over the validity over what evidence is in the first instance is.
Do you really think your fake catch-22 or "moving the goalposts" strategy or false absolute fallacies stand up at all? Here's a coherent analogy: You're the criminal. Someone produces the smoking gun. You arbitrarily reject the smoking gun and ask for other evidence. Someone ends up producing the bloody knife. You reject the bloody knife and ask for other evidence.
So on. And so forth. What don't you get? That I don't see through your utterly transparent trolling? That anybody here doesn't get the joke that you don't actually give a crap about evidence and will twist any facts no matter how inane to pretend like we've not given you evidence int he first, let alone, second instance?
You're a troll. We get it. We've gotten over it. Some of us are beginning to question whether you've gotten over that fact. You should be laughing at my humor. Not working yourself up over it. The only thing to do here is to recognize the comedy. Lighten up.