Originally posted by Philosophía
Yes, the no-limits falallacy, as I've already pointed out.You randomly asses that just because certain methods of attack haven't worked against the forcefield, the unbreachable status holds for any other method, like phasing.
I could go on about how photons and sound breach the shield and thus it's feasible, but that would be quite above the primitive level we're now at.
Lol... you see.
Its kind of amusing though.
Originally posted by Philosophíaits not that certain methods don't work....it's a certain class of methods
Yes, the no-limits falallacy, as I've already pointed out.You randomly asses that just because certain methods of attack haven't worked against the forcefield, the unbreachable status holds for any other method, like phasing.
I could go on about how photons and sound breach the shield and thus it's feasible, but that would be quite above the primitive level we're now at.
ie his ff is impenetrable due to its mystical nature...ie, the laws of physics don't apply. imo, as long as MM's phasing is physics based in nature, it won't bypass juggy's ff.
but, in the end its all speculation, on everyone's part since they haven't faced off.
Originally posted by Philosophía
No, he wouldn't.
Feel free to prove it.
Versatility is different from actual, raw power. Surfer is not more powerful than Superman.
That he wouldn't have time to use in a forum fight.
Because he'd run away in another dimension for self-bfr? I agree.
Funny enough, if you truly felt like Supes was more powerful and can beat Surfer.. one would think you would have taken up Goober on his challenge... yet neither you or Batdude did so, yet were challenging KrisBlaze to a Supes vs. Thor battlezone...
^It would take time, which I currently don't have much of.
Originally posted by Starscream MI love this unsupported sweeping generalizations. It's particulary funny since you make them right after I just threw two examples of the shield obeying the laws of physics, as things that are strongly based in science, like light (photons) and sound bypass it, among other particle.
its not that certain methods don't work....it's a certain class of methodsie his ff is impenetrable due to its mystical nature...ie, the laws of physics don't apply. imo, as long as MM's phasing is physics based in nature, it won't bypass juggy's ff.
Do you still believe that Galactus wouldn't breach Juggernaut's shield, masterbruce?
Originally posted by Starscream MDid you just make all this up?
its not that certain methods don't work....it's a certain class of methodsie his ff is impenetrable due to its mystical nature...ie, the laws of physics don't apply. imo, as long as MM's phasing is physics based in nature, it won't bypass juggy's ff.
but, in the end its all speculation, on everyone's part since they haven't faced off.
Originally posted by Philosophía
No, he wouldn't.
Yes he would.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Feel free to prove it.
Genera andl top showings. Shrugging off Cl100 direct punches (She-hulk, Hulk) like they were nothing. Surviving something that could kill abstracts. Taking entire Fleet's weapons fire and not being affected at all (Impossible Man issue). Actually STAYING -inside- a black hole and not be affected by it. Taking multiple direct hits from Abstracts and not only survive but keep on fighting.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Versatility is different from actual, raw power. Surfer is not more powerful than Superman.
How many planets have Superman destroyed and how many black holes has he created via his power?
Supes is physically stronger. But Surfer is more powerful.
Originally posted by Philosophía
That he wouldn't have time to use in a forum fight.
Arguable. This would require that some1 take him down via blitz. W/c none of the chars here can do as only the Flash is fast enough and he can't fly or breathe in space for that matter.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Because he'd run away in another dimension for self-bfr? I agree.
Shrinking is not self-BFR. He can shrink to Mircorverse size but he doesn't have to be that small. Molecule-size is enough.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
J'onn's gonna try and phase into someone who's prolly on fire?Human Torch Powers and all that.
Also, why the heck would MM even TRY to phase thru the FF? It's not as if he knows its the helmet that's blocking his TP.
It's not common knowledge. Only the X-Teams know this as they have detailed info on him as he's Prof X's brother.
And again, SJS IS ON FIRE. MM = Fire. Bad.
Originally posted by Philosophíasound and photons passing through is mere comic convenience and writer ignorance...not deliberate attempt to show the ff can be physically breached
It's particulary funny since you make them right after I just threw two examples of the shield obeying the laws of physics, as things that are strongly based in science, like light (photons) and sound bypass it, among other particle.
its like how comic characters can speak in space...that's just comic convenience and writer ignorance, rather than an acknowledgment that comic spacedom has oxygen
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny enough, if you truly felt like Supes was more powerful and can beat Surfer.. one would think you would have taken up Goober on his challenge... yet neither you or Batdude did so, yet were challenging KrisBlaze to a Supes vs. Thor battlezone...
Funny enough, that Surfer/Superman battlezone was brought up well after I already offered the Thor/Superman battlezone.
Originally posted by Starscream M
sound and photons passing through is mere comic convenience and writer ignorance...not deliberate attempt to show the ff can be physically breachedits like how comic characters can speak in space...that's just comic convenience and writer ignorance, rather than an acknowledgment that comic spacedom has oxygen
Except Juggs is weak against sonics 😕