Originally posted by D_Dude1210good point. SS would be flaming on the whole fight anyways, and he won't run out of juice with cytorrak's power.
The whole MM phasing thru Jug's shield is moot as:1) Why would he even try? It's not like he knows its the helmet that prevents TP.
2) Super Skrull is constantly ON FIRE.😛
Originally posted by Starscream M
good point. SS would be flaming on the whole fight anyways, and he won't run out of juice with cytorrak's power.
If he was on fire all the more reason for MM to use tp on him, at the moment he fails to penetrate his mind he'll notice the helmet. It isn't that much of a stretch.
Originally posted by Philosophía
No, he wouldn't.
Feel free to prove it.
Versatility is different from actual, raw power. Surfer is not more powerful than Superman.
That he wouldn't have time to use in a forum fight.
Because he'd run away in another dimension for self-bfr? I agree.
Originally posted by Bentley
If he was on fire all the more reason for MM to use tp on him, at the moment he fails to penetrate his mind he'll notice the helmet. It isn't that much of a stretch.
Yes it is. O_o
For all he knows, the helmet is just a cosmetic choice and the immunity comes from other sources. :-/
And even for some obscene, writer-induced stupid reason that he somehow GUESSES that it's the helmet, what's he gonna do? Skurlly is on freakin fire all the time.
Originally posted by carver9
Phil is ALWAYS like that. That's his debating style... he bash and kind of debate at the same time. Look at all of his post and you,ll see what I am talking about. I can't believe a mod didn't warn him yet out of all of these years with him bashing the way he does.
The same reason you haven't been banned.
Don't stir shit.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Yes it is. O_oFor all he knows, the helmet is just a cosmetic choice and the immunity comes from other sources. :-/
And even for some obscene, writer-induced stupid reason that he somehow GUESSES that it's the helmet, what's he gonna do? Skurlly is on freakin fire all the time.
I know people dress stupid in the comicbook world but there is no serious reason for anyone to think any helmet is cosmetic. Helmets are meant to be defensive.
Originally posted by Bentley
I know people dress stupid in the comicbook world but there is no serious reason for anyone to think any helmet is cosmetic. Helmets are meant to be defensive.
It's a helmet. At most, he'll think it's armor used to protect his head/skull from injury, there is VERY LITTLE reason for him to think "Oh gosh! maybe the helmet's metal has unique properties to it that allow him to be resistant to TP!".
Couple that with the fact that ppl DO dress up stupidly in comics (seriously, does Gladiator's mohawk serve a purpose? Does Superman's cape? Does GL's tights?? Does Power Girls's boob opening?), then that possibility is HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely.
That is unless the writer SUDDENLY makes SS go and tell them "Haha! Your TP is useless! My helmet makes me immune to all your powerzzz!". That is even if SS figures out that MM was attacking him with TP in the first place (w/c he wont notice cuz he's immune, y'know).
Originally posted by Philosophíathe idea behind vibrational phasing failing is that the force-field is mystical and therefore would thwart mundane, non-magical atempts of phasing through it. the particular physical mechanism wasnt the issue, the magical nature of cytorrak and its impenetrability spell and the non-magical nature of their phasing was. with this premise in mind, for any phasing method to work, it should be able to bypass mystical shielding and since you believe dimensional mass shift should work while vibration shouldn't, it is on you to tell us why. Of course, I never expected you to be able to keep up with the discussion as your style of non-debate prevents it.
So it's a completly different method through which they phase, thus the ineffectiveness of one does not prove the ineffectiveness of the other?
report me away, troll. assuming that juggernaut's shield is impenetrable is corroborated by his on-panel feats and, given the context of the discussion (which you apparently couldn't follow), requesting proof from you who claimed that " at the very least mmh should be able to phase through it" without giving any indication as to why it would do any better than vibrational phasing is entirely justified. Given the starting premise, that magical shields might interfere with mundane phasing, at best you could claim that we don't know how different phasing mechanisms would do, but you clearly claimed mmh's would work. I do find your combination of bad faith, arrogance and idiocy funny though. I'll be waiting for that report now.
Your intelligence overwhelms this discussion.It's quite amusing how in your head I'm supposed to prove that the attack works, instead of it being your burden to form a defense against it. What you're doing here is say that Juggernaut's shield stops everything, unless proven otherwise. It's populary called the no-limit fallacy. Do it again, and you're reported for trolling. [/B]
Originally posted by D_Dude1210gladiator's mohawk is awesome though
It's a helmet. At most, he'll think it's armor used to protect his head/skull from injury, there is VERY LITTLE reason for him to think "Oh gosh! maybe the helmet's metal has unique properties to it that allow him to be resistant to TP!".Couple that with the fact that ppl DO dress up stupidly in comics (seriously, does Gladiator's mohawk serve a purpose? Does Superman's cape? Does GL's tights?? Does Power Girls's boob opening?), then that possibility is HIGHLY HIGHLY unlikely.
That is unless the writer SUDDENLY makes SS go and tell them "Haha! Your TP is useless! My helmet makes me immune to all your powerzzz!". That is even if SS figures out that MM was attacking him with TP in the first place (w/c he wont notice cuz he's immune, y'know).
Originally posted by Galan007
Calling people out on their BS =/= to debating aggressively/inappropriately.
Acting like your opinion is fact = calling people out on BS? That happens alot around here.
Originally posted by 753
the idea behind vibrational phasing failing is that the force-field is mystical and therefore would thwart mundane, non-magical atempts of phasing through it. the particular physical mechanism wasnt the issue, the magical nature of cytorrak and its impenetrability spell and the non-magical nature of their phasing was. with this premise in mind, for any phasing method to work, it should be able to bypass mystical shielding and since you believe dimensional mass shift should work while vibration shouldn't, it is on you to tell us why. Of course, I never expected you to be able to keep up with the discussion as your style of non-debate prevents it.
Eventhough this isn't conclusive, there is plenty of evidence that in the DCU magic is seen as being more incomprehensible. If this fight took place in a comic I could see that happening.
Originally posted by -Pr-
will jonn not sense that his signals are being blocked by the helmet?
He'll sense that his signals are being blocked, but it could be due to a variety of reasons. Heck, as none of them can probably penetrate the FF, he might just assume it's that. Or he could just assume that SuperJuggerSkrull is one of them Psi-Immune enemies.
Hasn't MM ever fought Psi-Immune ppl before?
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's a helmet. At most, he'll think it's armor used to protect his head/skull from injury, there is VERY LITTLE reason for him to think "Oh gosh! maybe the helmet's metal has unique properties to it that allow him to be resistant to TP!".
Yeah, its just unnatural to think something blocking someone's brain is actually... Blocking someone's brain. Give me a break...