Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, its just unnatural to think something blocking someone's brain is actually... Blocking someone's brain. Give me a break...
Lol. Yeah. If the writers didn't actually mention that it was Jug's helmet giving him Psi immunity, how many ppl do you think would figure it out? Think about it a bit pls.
Also, no1 mentioned how this information would actually help MM as SS is always on fire when he's in combat. :-/
Originally posted by Deadline
I think the point hes trying to make is that he will know his signal is being blocked but he won't know why. That doesn't neccesarily mean that MM's going to assume its the helmet.
I know what he means, but the dome blocking the head is a damn big giveaway of what's blocking MM's tp. You cannot probably disagree with that.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Lol. Yeah. If the writers didn't actually mention that it was Jug's helmet giving him Psi immunity, how many ppl do you think would figure it out? Think about it a bit pls.Also, no1 mentioned how this information would actually help MM as SS is always on fire when he's in combat. :-/
If people were psychic they could've imo.
Originally posted by Bentley
I know what he means, but the dome blocking the head is a damn big giveaway of what's blocking MM's tp. You cannot probably disagree with that.
Actually come to think of it on SSs head yeah. Don't see how hes going to take it off.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's not always a dome. And no, it's not.
Oh yea forgot that. MM isn't figuring it out.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
It's not always a dome. And no, it's not.
Scans of it not being a dome? Not that it matters, it's blocking the head so unless MM thinks SS's brain is in his belly (stupidly enough K'lrt can move his organs that way), he should be aiming for the helmet first. I don't see what is so hard to understand about it.
Originally posted by Bentley
Scans of it not being a dome?
I've seen it. I think he modified it after the helmet was taken off. It just looked like a mask.
Originally posted by Bentley
Not that it matters, it's blocking the head so unless MM thinks SS's brain is in his belly (stupidly enough K'lrt can move his organs that way), he should be aiming for the helmet first. I don't see what is so hard to understand about it.
Because its not obvious that a persons mask is a psi shield, it could be assumed that his powers are blocking it.
Originally posted by Bentley
Scans of it not being a dome? Not that it matters, it's blocking the head so unless MM thinks SS's brain is in his belly (stupidly enough K'lrt can move his organs that way), he should be aiming for the helmet first.
It's the issue where (I think it was Excalibur) took off the dome and Cain was wearing a skullcap underneath. Same metal.
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/juggernaut.htm
check bottom of the page.
Originally posted by Bentley
I don't see what is so hard to understand about it.
The fact that not many helmets give psi immunity? Helmet=Psi immunity isn't always the first thing someone thinks about.
Originally posted by Deadline
I've seen it. I think he modified it after the helmet was taken off. It just looked like a mask.Because its not obvious that a persons mask is a psi shield, it could be assumed that his powers are blocking it.
It could be assumed, but it's useless to think "heck, I can't beat him" instead of "maybe I can find a weak point". I dunno, maybe the martian detective would figure out the relationship between head and brain.
Originally posted by Bentley
It could be assumed, but it's useless to think "heck, I can't beat him" instead of "maybe I can find a weak point". I dunno, maybe the martian detective would figure out the relationship between head and brain.
You still haven't answered my question on how the information would help him as SS is almost always on fire while in combat.
Originally posted by Bentley
It could be assumed, but it's useless to think "heck, I can't beat him" instead of "maybe I can find a weak point". I dunno, maybe the martian detective would figure out the relationship between head and brain.
Theres nothing about the helmet that screams psi helmet. Hell why doesn't MM trying ripping off his clothes, you never know his clothes might be giving him super powers. 😬
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Let us see then.
Yes he would.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210In fact, I see you've skipped the general and went straight for the top showings.
Genera andl top showings.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210(1). She-Hulk was far off from what she is in current portrayals, and not even a class 100 character.
Shrugging off Cl100 direct punches (She-hulk, Hulk) like they were nothing.
Superman has done the shrugging off hits routine quite a few times, with some of the most notable examples being:
a). No-sells Doomsday's attack.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/DoomsdayFirstAttacks1.jpg
b). No-sells Guy’s yellow ring amped punches, catches his strike, then leaves. (Hal, amped in a similar manner, punched Cyborg Superman's jaw off, as an example)
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanGuyNo-selling.jpg
c). No-sells Doomsday Rex. (weakened, yes, but I somewhat believe that his strikes aren't below She-Hulk, lawlz)
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/nosellingddrex.jpg
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Scans. If you're reffering to him channeling the Crunch's energies, you shouldn't bother, since you'd just make me laugh.
Surviving something that could kill abstracts.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Ridiculously impressive. haermm
Taking entire Fleet's weapons fire and not being affected at all (Impossible Man issue).
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Superman has held a black hole in his hand. He has stood inside double-blackholes and had casual conversation with another being caught there.
Actually STAYING -inside- a black hole and not be affected by it.
Furthermore, some observations. In the instance you're talking about, it is specifically said that their powers are shielding them from the blackhole:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9323/galactusthedevourer217yj3.jpg
"Shielded by their enormous and almost equal power[..]"
Furthermore, blackholes can actually amp Surfer's power:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2585/mcp5030ampinghh6.jpg
So this kind of examples aren't really the best feats to use, at least for the Surfer. Superman does indeed tank it with his own durability, though. 🙂
Originally posted by D_Dude1210He was beaten after two blasts. The third blast catapulted him on the moon, while the physical one had him in such a bad condition that Aegis and Tenebrous just left him to die of the injuries inflicted upon him. Impressive, yes, but not above Superman by any stretch.
Taking multiple direct hits from Abstracts and not only survive but keep on fighting.
Dominus, a being who had Kismet (Eternity's equivalent) on the run, and is capable of warping and creating whole realities, is trying to uncreate Superman, who withstands it for an extended period of time.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/DominusUncreate1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/DominusUncreate2.jpg
He takes a direct assault from the Quantum Zealot, who by this point wields unimaginable power and not only gets up after this, but is the one fighting to the end to defeat it.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot5.jpg
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Superman has destroyed Multiversal evil gods by singing, forcibly depowered Primordial Annihilators by absorbing the exact opposite of what powers him up (anti-sunlight), has destroyed space/time by punching hard. He repairs breaches in reality by rubbing his hands really fast, he contains blackholes in his palms. He contains the Bleed, the very essence of ultimate destruction and creation, when nobody but trans-multiversal beings like the Monitors, analogues of the writers, are stated to be capable of. As a few examples. I haven't even gotten into the likes of T-Vo, with which he matches for power beings more powerful than Surfer's master.
How many planets have Superman destroyed and how many black holes has he created via his power?
Superman is less powerful than Silver Surfer only in the minds of fanboys, and those who haven't read the character and are forum-scan warriors. In actuality, based on what the comics have shown, Superman grossly outclasses Surfer in displays of formidability and power.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210Superman is more than fast enough.
Arguable. This would require that some1 take him down via blitz. W/c none of the chars here can do as only the Flash is fast enough
Originally posted by D_Dude1210In this circumstances yes, shrinking to the microverse is self bfr. And him shrinking to that size would only ensure that he's completly useless. I'd rather not elaborate, since I could have a tourney/battlezone match like this one day, and it's not actually relevant to this topic.
Shrinking is not self-BFR. He can shrink to Mircorverse size but he doesn't have to be that small.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Let us see then.
In fact, I see you've skipped the general and went straight for the top showings. (1). She-Hulk was far off from what she is in current portrayals, and not even a class 100 character.
(2). He never shrugged off Hulk like he was nothing - Hulk had him on his knees; unless you're reffering to a different instance, which I doubt. Sure, Hulk pointed out that Surfer wasn't hurt, but Surfer doesn't exactly get bruised.
The "Hulk" instance I'm referring to is their first encounter when Hulk double punches him and he just stands up and says it didn't affect him at all. Right before he drain the Gamma radiation from him.
His durability has also been shown so that he can take multiple direct hits from BRB's hammer and just shrug it off, taking a power punch (meant to knock him out) from SuperGod Herc and just standing up right after, etc.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has done the shrugging off hits routine quite a few times, with some of the most notable examples being:a). No-sells Doomsday's attack.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/DoomsdayFirstAttacks1.jpg
b). No-sells Guy’s yellow ring amped punches, catches his strike, then leaves. (Hal, amped in a similar manner, punched Cyborg Superman's jaw off, as an example)
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanGuyNo-selling.jpg
c). No-sells Doomsday Rex. (weakened, yes, but I somewhat believe that his strikes aren't below She-Hulk, lawlz)
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/nosellingddrex.jpg
1) I read that issue, that's DOS Doomsday you're talking about (who, btw wasn't all that impressive at all) and that he didn't give that punch his all as on the next panel he kicks Clark in the stomach, knocks the breath out of him and sends him flying.
2) How is that impressive? :-/ It's GUY.
3) DEF a weakened Doomsday.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Scans. If you're reffering to him channeling the Crunch's energies, you shouldn't bother, since you'd just make me laugh.
You posting context-based "feats" like you did below and saying that the "Crunch" manipulation feat is laughable is a bit hypocritical don't you think?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Ridiculously impressive. haermm
Yes it is. An entire space battle fleet firing their full ordinance at you and you just raising an eyebrow after it is pretty impressive. Show an instance where Superman did the same.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has held a black hole in his hand. He has stood inside double-blackholes and had casual conversation with another being caught there.
1) That feat with the mini black hole has been rebuked countless times here already.
2) IIRC, that feat happened at the Event Horizon the "double black holes". Event Horizon =/= core of a black hole. Not even close. That and the fact he was actually struggling when he did that.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Furthermore, some observations. In the instance you're talking about, it is specifically said that their powers are shielding them from the blackhole:
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9323/galactusthedevourer217yj3.jpg"Shielded by their enormous and almost equal power[..]"
Furthermore, blackholes can actually amp Surfer's power:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2585/mcp5030ampinghh6.jpg
His power IS what gives him his durability. :-/ What's your point?
Also, pulling an old feat, comparing it to a different feat at a different era from a different story arc/writer and then drawing correlations between the two is a bit reaching isn't it?
There was no mention of the Black Hole amping the Surfer AT THE TIME of his fight with Red Shift and we shouldn't draw correlations between the two.
Originally posted by Philosophía
So this kind of examples aren't really the best feats to use, at least for the Surfer. Superman does indeed tank it with his own durability, though. 🙂
I disagree. See above.
Originally posted by Philosophía
He was beaten after two blasts. The third blast catapulted him on the moon, while the physical one had him in such a bad condition that Aegis and Tenebrous just left him to die of the injuries inflicted upon him. Impressive, yes, but not above Superman by any stretch.
And you forgot to mention that the Surfer still got back up and beat them right after that.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Dominus, a being who had Kismet (Eternity's equivalent) on the run, and is capable of warping and creating whole realities, is trying to uncreate Superman, who withstands it for an extended period of time.http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/DominusUncreate1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/DominusUncreate2.jpg
Superman was being uncreated, pls indicate where it states that Superman's durability is what is slowing the process down or if the process got slowed down at all.
Or are you just making an assumption here?
Originally posted by Philosophía
He takes a direct assault from the Quantum Zealot, who by this point wields unimaginable power and not only gets up after this, but is the one fighting to the end to defeat it.http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot2.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot4.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/quantumzealot5.jpg
Lesseee, he grabs Supes, Supes screams in pain and it looks like a Dues Ex Machina plot device was used to beat a POSSIBLE abstract (with the HELP of several other heroes)....
Kinda like how Surfer got up in the end to defeat BOTH abstracts (with no help) after the beating he took? :-/
Granted he DID also use a Deus Ex Machina to do it. But he SURVIVED exposure (albeit for a short time) to this same destructive energy he used to defeat them.
And you say "don't make me laugh" at the Crunch feat...?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman has destroyed Multiversal evil gods by singing, forcibly depowered Primordial Annihilators by absorbing the exact opposite of what powers him up (anti-sunlight), has destroyed space/time by punching hard. He repairs breaches in reality by rubbing his hands really fast, he contains blackholes in his palms. He contains the Bleed, the very essence of ultimate destruction and creation, when nobody but trans-multiversal beings like the Monitors, analogues of the writers, are stated to be capable of. As a few examples. I haven't even gotten into the likes of T-Vo, with which he matches for power beings more powerful than Surfer's master.
I KNEW these context-based plot devices were gonna be brought up. Sigh. Not even gonna bother.
Again, and you say that Crunch is "laughable" yet you bring in all of Supe's context-based feats as a means of comparison? :-/
And are you really bringing in the T-VO feat here?? Really?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman is less powerful than Silver Surfer only in the minds of fanboys, and those who haven't read the character and are forum-scan warriors. In actuality, based on what the comics have shown, Superman grossly outclasses Surfer in displays of formidability and power.
Hell no. Especially current Surfer. It's sad that using context-based scans and feats just seems to be the bread and butter of the Superman fanboy.
I read Superman, FYI. Just don't really think he's as impressive as the Superman fanboys seem to think/insist (just as I think Thanos is not as impressive as the Thanos fanboys seem to think). I doubt anyone is.
Granted that if you only read 80s-90s Surfer, you might think that (and I'd agree). But Surfer's more recent showings has placed him at a far different light.
Originally posted by Philosophía
Superman is more than fast enough.
Nope. Surfer has been shown to have light-speed reaction time. And the ability to blitz himself. His limbs might not move like the Flash, but he's been able to chase down erratically moving light signals before. And Surfer's durabiltiy will more than allow him to tank Superman's punches.
It's sad how ppl keep insisting that Surfer has no superhuman reaction speed.
Originally posted by Philosophía
In this circumstances yes, shrinking to the microverse is self bfr. And him shrinking to that size would only ensure that he's completly useless. I'd rather not elaborate, since I could have a tourney/battlezone match like this one day, and it's not actually relevant to this topic.
At that size, he can enter someone's brain and open a singularity in it. Pls elaborate why he's be useless.
