Originally posted by KingD19
Please, enlighten us on how Edward wins.
Nah.
This forum is dead set on Twilight hate. It would be a very very stupid idea if I actively tried to support the twilight side. Like I said, I actually debated this discussion already with other people that are less hellbent on hating on Twilight.
The fact that no one (cept the obvious) has offered reasons why Edward may win should be proof enough of that. Can you provide any reasons that Edward might win? Part of a good discussion, not a bash fest, would be considering both sides: not just blindly saying one side wins because of x and y.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah.This forum is dead set on Twilight hate.
Its because they'd all taken Downey Jnr's advice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY
😛
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah.This forum is dead set on Twilight hate. It would be a very very stupid idea if I actively tried to support the twilight side. Like I said, I actually debated this discussion already with other people that are less hellbent on hating on Twilight.
The fact that no one (cept the obvious) has offered reasons why Edward may win should be proof enough of that. Can you provide any reasons that Edward might win? Part of a good discussion, not a bash fest, would be considering both sides: not just blindly saying one side wins because of x and y.
Edward does have the ability to read minds and predict movements and perhaps that can work to his advantage to an extent. He does have super speed, though it does seem rather tame in the movie compared to the books. His strength however is nothing to write home about, his speed is not laser speed, and his mind reading capabilities are not perfect since he has been seen getting knocked onto the ground by other characters in a fight.
There's your fairness. Now, why doesn't Iron Man win again?
Honestly, i dont give a damn about Twilight, though i didnt really like IM2, they kind of left me hanging on the whole action scenes and crap.
Anyways, lasers are focused beams of light that emit heat. Whats the thing vamps use to kill each other? Heat. The lasers could theoretically make this a win. That and the prototype suit for testing flight exceeded mach 1. Its not going to be easy, but the Iron Man suit at the end of 2 just had to much tanking ability and to much firepower for Cullen to take.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Its because they'd all taken Downey Jnr's advice:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svwGRJA28lY😛
HA!
Originally posted by Pwned
Honestly, i dont give a damn about Twilight, though i didnt really like IM2, they kind of left me hanging on the whole action scenes and crap.Anyways, lasers are focused beams of light that emit heat. Whats the thing vamps use to kill each other? Heat. The lasers could theoretically make this a win. That and the prototype suit for testing flight exceeded mach 1. Its not going to be easy, but the Iron Man suit at the end of 2 just had to much tanking ability and to much firepower for Cullen to take.
The same exact reasons you say that it is not enough are the same exact reasons that they are enough.
You get a bit more leniency due to not being around these parts for too long: Edward was calculated at having an average speed of 10,000 MPH from the first film: much greater than mach 1, and that was on land.
Damnit, I didn't want to get into why Edward wins. I wanted the anti-twilighters to figure it out and grow, on their own, in appreciation for the "feats" in emo-girlie Twilight. It's near impossible for someone else to "convince" others of something they hate: it's a much better option to suggest that there may be something more to the discussion than just the hate for something that is easy to hate. If they come up with reasons and actually tried to make it logical, it would: 1. Most likely be correct. 2. Be their idea, not someone elses. 3. Increase the intelligence of discussions when it comes to Twilight. I'm just as outspoken for the many problems seen in Twilight (both the movies and the novels), as anyone else, so do not mistake my posts in this thread as fanboyism.
Originally posted by Pwned
Honestly, i dont give a damn about Twilight, though i didnt really like IM2, they kind of left me hanging on the whole action scenes and crap.Anyways, lasers are focused beams of light that emit heat. Whats the thing vamps use to kill each other? Heat. The lasers could theoretically make this a win. That and the prototype suit for testing flight exceeded mach 1. Its not going to be easy, but the Iron Man suit at the end of 2 just had to much tanking ability and to much firepower for Cullen to take.
There's no shame in admitting it, but are you aware of how the Twivamps bite the dust?
Bring proof now and I'll consider it.
And lasers can do the part of both ripping vampires to pieces and setting them on fire.
Unlike most everyone else here, I actually have read those shitty books and watched those shitty movies. I can't recall anything impressive from either. What I do recall is Carlisle surprising Edward in combat, making his Mind reading capabilities seem pathetic.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Bring proof now and I'll consider it.
Nah. I'd rather not discuss it. You could have looked it up almost as long as it took you to type that post.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And lasers can do the part of both ripping vampires to pieces and setting them on fire.
K.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Unlike most everyone else here, I actually have read those shitty books and watched those shitty movies. I can't recall anything impressive from either. What I do recall is Carlisle surprising Edward in combat, making his Mind reading capabilities seem pathetic.
Wah? I don't remember that at all.
Same here. Books sucked, movies sucked.
And yes, i do know how vamps bite the dust. You rip them to pieces then burn them. And Edward cant move NEAR as fast as 10000 mph. That would be going faser than an F-22 normally does, no matter how durable his skin the Gs would rip him apart. He can run at maybe close to 200-300 mph, tops.
You have to remember the Werewolves are fast enough to chase most of em.
Originally posted by Pwned
Same here. Books sucked, movies sucked.And yes, i do know how vamps bite the dust. You rip them to pieces then burn them. And Edward cant move NEAR as fast as 10000 mph. That would be going faser than an F-22 normally does, no matter how durable his skin the Gs would rip him apart. He can run at maybe close to 200-300 mph, tops.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah. I'd rather not discuss it. You could have looked it up almost as long as it took you to type that post.
Why would I look it up? I haven't the slightest idea where to start looking and you obviously know where the data for this feat is. So you copying it and pasting it would be more beneficial to both of us.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Wah? I don't remember that at all.
In Eclipse, movie not book (can barely remember the books), Edward knocks Carlisle down, turns to Jasper to grin like the sob he is, until Carlisle turns ninja like and knocks him down. It's the part where Jasper is showing the Werewolves how to fight newborn vamps.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why would I look it up? I haven't the slightest idea where to start looking and you obviously know where the data for this feat is. So you copying it and pasting it would be more beneficial to both of us.
MVF. 😬
You're DEFINITELY not an idiot: how dare you make me help you with something "computer" related. 😐
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
In Eclipse, movie not book (can barely remember the books), Edward knocks Carlisle down, turns to Jasper to grin like the sob he is, until Carlisle turns ninja like and knocks him down. It's the part where Jasper is showing the Werewolves how to fight newborn vamps.
AHA! So Edward is suprised by movie-only plot induced stupidty? Cause-like, Edward could not have been able to be caught off guard like that with his mind reading powers.
Edit - I found a thread for you to read:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=534654
The "answer" is in there. However, the "ORIGINAL" answer is somewhere in the MVF in a much more explained version. I called "BS" the first time someone rambled that off to me. One youtube video later, I changed my mind.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Why would I look it up? I haven't the slightest idea where to start looking and you obviously know where the data for this feat is. So you copying it and pasting it would be more beneficial to both of us.In Eclipse, movie not book (can barely remember the books), Edward knocks Carlisle down, turns to Jasper to grin like the sob he is, until Carlisle turns ninja like and knocks him down. It's the part where Jasper is showing the Werewolves how to fight newborn vamps.
Edward in the films has already shown that although he has been described as "fast" by the mom of the clan he has been caught and tagged by 2 vampires and caught only because he was saving Bella in 1 scene.
His speed by canon is higher than the average vamp but not enough to make him the best.
As far as the speed feats go amongst the upper tier vamps they have problems with werewolves, who don't rely on time defying feats and just on raw strength, agility and cunning.
Ironman feats at the end of IM2 give him feats that put Wolverine to shame.
Ironman would have killed most of the new blood horde and hovered above and picked off the rest. A threat the Cullens were terrified of.