Originally posted by Mairuzu
DDM, I think you spent more time typing your excuses of not wanting to bring up the debate than you would have if you actually brough up the debate.
That's factually incorrect. I did a word count and it's a ratio of 42 to 1. 42 words actually debating to every 1 word spent on discussing the concept of 'look up the old threads.'
I'm wrong. I left out an entire page. It's actually 61 to 1 ratio.
Additionally, it took faaaaaaar longer to type up the posts where I went down the events in the film, second by second, to show 2 days elapsed and few minutes to a few hours elapsed for the 'run' times. That, alone, far eclipses the couple of minutes it took to post on telling others to read other threads.
Originally posted by Mairuzu
You look like a troll more than anyone here.K?
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It's quite obvious that you came in this thread specifically to take the piss out of me with factually incorrect statements. You're the only troll I see in this thread. Kindly GTFO or contribute.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Edward stopped a car with pushed pressure against a sliding car door.
Ive never seen one tear a car a metal apart.And the tree Edward pulled out was in a moist damp climate and the tree wasn't that big......or was it?
No, what actually happened is a car was sliding, at speed, towards Bella. He ran about 20-30 yards in the blink of an eye, stuck his hand out, and he car bounced off of his extended hand. It left a nice dent in the van, as well.
Edward didn't pull out a tree: he pushed it over. I was wrong: he actually uprooted and tore the roots by pushing it over. That's a much stronger feat that I realized. I've only seen the movie once and a little bird corrected me in private.
And, yeah, in another thread, I went down the "math" on a tree of that size and calculated it out. It came to about 80 tons, irrc. That's just the weight of the tree. It would take a far greater effort to push it over via tearing the roots. So much so that I do not know how much that would take but it's definitely in the hundreds of tonne-force (metric) if not thousands.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
What tree again?
In the third film. Edward pushed a tree over with the red hawtie in it. Reminded me of that Jane Goodall sequence in that movie they made about her...where the "natives" chopped the tree down with the chimp up top and the little dude was scared sh*tless? Is that odd? 😄
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Ah I see. Not a bad feat. Inconsistent as **** but not a bad feat.
It's quite consistant with their strength, actually. A car that's nothing to them, in motion, and is stopped on a dime, by only holding out his arm (no strain) is quite a good strength feat. Depends on how it can be quantified as it's a very low low end strength showing compared to how high end he can go...so it doesn't tell us what the limits are. However, the tree feat is quite high-end for him, but does he strain? I've only seen the movie once...so that would tell us what high end for Edward would be.
It is inconsistent.
At the end Ed getting slammed into the ground just cracks it a bit. If vampires were really class 100+ then it would have made a crator or something. Note that this knocks Ed out, so he's also kind of a pussy.
This is consistent with the Twilight fight scene, which is just them kind of flying back a bit. At one point Ed's thrown and he doesn't even brake a window properly.
Personally I'd like to see that tree, because most trees are 20 tonnes at most, not 80.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It is inconsistent.At the end Ed getting slammed into the ground just cracks it a bit. If vampires were really class 100+ then it would have made a crator or something.
I covered that point, already, in the most direct way possible. You are definitely wrong. Contrast Edward's adventure with that of a suicide jumper: does the suicide jumper make that much of damage on the "softer" concrete?
Additionally, you assume that a class 100 lifter can make a larger crater when that's not the case at all. That's just simply moving the body even faster which is definitely power, but not 'strength.'
http://www.squashgame.info/squashforum/3373
Additionally, you assume a larger crater would be made if 100-tonne force was applied. In fact, it depends on how small the area is that this force is applied to. If it were applied to most of Edward's body, which would be similar to falling from a large building, it would be even smaller. I covered this point already, as mentioned earlier.
If you would like, I could tell you exactly, in terms of momentum, what the differences are.
In fact, I will.
Momentum = mass times velocity
Find the momentum of a person (Edward) falling jumping from a 40.00 story building:
Assume a weight of 165.00lbs. Convert 165.00lbs to Kg = 74.25
The calculation would come out as follows:
146.30 = (.5)*9.8*x^2
146.30 = the number of meters in a 40 story height (assuming 12.00 feet per story, on average).
Solve for "x."
x = + or - about 5.46 seconds
Use that number to calculate final velocity in this measure due to gravitational acceleration:
5.46s * 9.81 m/s/s = 53.56 m/s
Use that final velocity to calculate his momentum:
53.56 m/s * 74.25 Kg = 3977.02 kg*m/s = Momentum
K, you with me?
Now, apply that to a 100 ton lifter.
100.00 tons = 90.00 tonnes = 90000.00 Kg.
It takes about 3.00-5.00 seconds to for most max lifts on a clean and jerk. We'll stick with that as an answer. Here's a 1.00 rep max shoulder press (fast forward to about 1:58.) It took him about 4.00 seconds.
It's about 2.00 feet to move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfurY-ggOWg
2.00 feet = .0.61 meters
p = mv
So we need to find the average velocity during that motion:
4.00 seconds to move 0.61 meters = 0.15 m/s
.15 * 90000.00Kg = 13,500.00 kg*m/s
Compare that to our previous example:
3977.02 kg*m/s
13,500.00 kg*m/s
Now, you could EASILY argue against what I've just presented, but here's what I've tried to do:
I showed you the momentum required to make some damage on some concrete/sidewalk from 40 feet is comfortably within the range of a 100 classer. Felix, in no way, smashed Edward with as much force as he possibly could because he did not raise Edward in the all the way above his head and then slam him down into the ground with all of his might. Since the vampires are very very very far into the superhuman category, Felix could get an even faster slam if he had someone or something anchor his feet. It looks like the force on the ground mostly comes from Edward's head.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Note that this knocks Ed out, so he's also kind of a pussy.
1. He's definitely not knocked out, just dazed for literally fractions of a second.
2. He recovers quite quickly including the crack.
3. Let's see what happens when someone that fast slams you into the ground: you'd splatter. 🙂
Originally posted by Nephthys
This is consistent with the Twilight fight scene, which is just them kind of flying back a bit. At one point Ed's thrown and he doesn't even brake a window properly.Personally I'd like to see that tree, because most trees are 20 tonnes at most, not 80.
K. 😬
The weight of the tree doesn't even matter. 😬 😬 😬
He broke the tree, at the roots, by pushing it over at the base of the tree: the most crappy "leverage" possible in such a situation. We are literally talking well over 1000 tonnes of force. Take another -> 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
Personally I'd like to see that tree, because most trees are 20 tonnes at most, not 80.
Around 0:55.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That's factually incorrect. I did a word count and it's a ratio of 42 to 1. 42 words actually debating to every 1 word spent on discussing the concept of 'look up the old threads.'I'm wrong. I left out an entire page. It's actually 61 to 1 ratio.
Additionally, it took faaaaaaar longer to type up the posts where I went down the events in the film, second by second, to show 2 days elapsed and few minutes to a few hours elapsed for the 'run' times. That, alone, far eclipses the couple of minutes it took to post on telling others to read other threads.
It's quite obvious that you came in this thread specifically to take the piss out of me with factually incorrect statements. You're the only troll I see in this thread. Kindly GTFO or contribute.
This is just sad.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
YouTube videoAround 0:55.
that is a very good strength feat for edward
Actually, it's not, I did the math, and let's not forget, Elephants do that shit all the time.
2.1 KJ. Not that impressive.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
IF that tree is a full meter thick (it's not), and he snapped it near the base (he didn't) this would require 40MPa of stress, pinewood's UTS is 40MPa, so yeah.Since Pa = Newton per meter squared, and 1 newton = 1 joule that'd be 40 MJ or 8 992 357 pounds of force. Luckily! The tree is not that big. ... And...! Elephants push trees over consistently with their heads, the trees don't break their roots give. Granted the trees are smaller.
IE, the tree should not have snapped before it's roots gave. We can't see the roots but logicly let's just be real, here, even if the vampires do sparkle. The numbers for just pushing a tree over are MUCH less impressive.
Now for a more realistic set of numbers, looking at the tree it's probably about .6-7 of a meter thick, Sooo.
Here's something that happens in nature, a tree grows at too extreme of an angle to support it's own weight. This results in stumps uprooting themselves, not the trees breaking, everyone who's ever been in a forest has seen a stump like this.
Let's assume a 45 degree angle is typicly where the give happens. In a tree this size, *looks again, just eyeballing, guesstimate*
A freezeframe at 0:59 reveals it's /not that big/.
It looks about 7-9 meters and tapers, as trees do. So, to find it's volume:
Base (0.6) x height (8) x width (Pi*r^2) /2.
13.57 M^2Now if we find the density of soft wood
the density of common softwoods varies from 450 to 640 kg/m3 so, let's go big or go home. 13.57 x 640 kg = 8685.8 kg.
Now, if a tree's hit 45 degrees to fall over, that means it root structure cannot horizontally support 50% of it's weight, approx. Sooo.. /2
4342.9 kg.
9554.46 lbs, or 4.7 tons of force. Equivalent to 2140.19 Newtons, 2.1 Kj. Not very high scale.
Dadudeman is being intellectually dishonest, as someone who spends a lot of time maintaining the use of atleast semi-accurate physics in the Games v.s. forum, it was kinda hardcore to actually see someone claim class 100+ for pushing over a tree.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelThrowing giant black rocks is srs fckn bsns, sir.
Yeah, I was having my doubts on that feat. Still the nicest by far out of the Twilight feats but 1000 tons is just not believable. Now, if Edward had picked up a giant ****ing black rock and throw in, that would be another story. awesome