Again you say I try to falsify things when you assume the Cullens left their car, no proof of this, and you assume that Alice saw farther into the future than the film says. About a minute passes between the time Alice saw the vision and Edward contacted them. NOTHING indicates that more than a minute of time passed except an inconsistancy. Carlisle was likely driving behind them and near as I can tell there plan was to trap him.
Again, show me where I lied? 🙂
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Again you say I try to falsify things when you assume the Cullens left their car, no proof of this, and you assume that Alice saw farther into the future than the film says.Again, show me where I lied? 🙂
I already showed you where you lied. Both times.
I did not say Alice saw very far into the future. You lie, there, as well.
She has proven that she can see as much as fractions of a second into the future in her example of a hand to hand fight with Jasper.
So your arugments, now, hinge on lying to be right.
All I heard was complaining about the lighting, which is not necessarily proving me wrong so much as it is *****ing at the fact that somebody beat you at your own game. Now tell me, which one of us appears the more reasonable? The one with the reasonable argument based on lighting who fully admits to possibly having a different version of the Dvd and different equipment? Or the one who is saying that someone is wrong without, well, proof?
Edit: I fully understand your perspective by the way but in no way should you assume I'm merely lying for my own opinion to beat yours. I asked a 3rd party in real life what time of day it appeared to be in both scenes outside the hotel and she agreed with me. I'm not lying purposely young one and I'm sorry it has offended you so greatly that you think I am. I am truly sorry. 🙂
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
All I heard was complaining about the lighting, which is not necessarily proving me wrong so much as it is *****ing at the fact that somebody beat you at your own game.
Trolling. Reported.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now tell me, which one of us appears the more reasonable? The one with the reasonable argument based on lighting who fully admits to possibly having a different version of the Dvd and different equipment? Or the one who is saying that someone is wrong without, well, proof?
No, this:
Originally posted by dadudemon
Again, Alice SAW James change course BEFORE he changed course. It took them more than a day to travel there and more than a day for James to change course.We are dealing with 2 separate days.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Edit: I fully understand your perspective by the way but in no way should you assume I'm merely lying for my own opinion to beat yours. I asked a 3rd party in real life what time of day it appeared to be in both scenes outside the hotel and she agreed with me. I'm not lying purposely young one and I'm sorry it has offended you so greatly that you think I am. I am truly sorry. 🙂
Holy shit, didn't expect that. I apologize for my grumpy attitude, then.
Now we can get along, right?
Like I was saying earlier: we are dealing with two days.
First day, 24-26 hours, comprises of James gettting lead on and Bella getting to Phoenix.
The Second day, early morning, involves James changing course and Bella and Co arriving at the hotel. They arriveat the hotel and check in BEOFRE James changes course. Alice sees him changing course (again, she can see into the future fractions of a second, making it seem like a parallel viewing, but it's still the future.) As soon as he changes course, they know where he goes. A minut later, Edwards calls Bella. We know that somewhere in that minute, Edward got into the car and started driving towards Phoenix.
Now, you COULD argue that an entire day and 7 hours pass (it was around Noon the second day when James changed course.) But why show bella, immediately aftwards, packing her stuff after Edward said he's coming to get Bella? Why, then, would it show the Bella left that evening, a few hours later, when Jasper and Alice are either booking more people, checking out, or extending their stay?
Originally posted by dadudemon
Holy shit, didn't expect that. I apologize for my grumpy attitude, then.Now we can get along, right?
No, you reported me! I can never forgive this insult to my honor! We shall be mortal enemies until death now!
Nah, just kidding. Of course we can get along.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Like I was saying earlier: we are dealing with two days.First day, 24-26 hours, comprises of James gettting lead on and Bella getting to Phoenix.
The Second day, early morning, involves James changing course and Bella and Co arriving at the hotel. They arriveat the hotel and check in BEOFRE James changes course. Alice sees him changing course (again, she can see into the future fractions of a second, making it seem like a parallel viewing, but it's still the future.) As soon as he changes course, they know where he goes. A minut later, Edwards calls Bella. We know that somewhere in that minute, Edward got into the car and started driving towards Phoenix.
Now, you COULD argue that an entire day and 7 hours pass (it was around Noon the second day when James changed course.) But why show bella, immediately aftwards, packing her stuff after Edward said he's coming to get Bella? Why, then, would it show the Bella left that evening, a few hours later, when Jasper and Alice are either booking more people, checking out, or extending their stay?
Which comes to the crux of our problem. We have different answers about when they arrived. Assuming they arrived at noon and saw the vision then, it would make since that Edward would need an entire day to arrive there in car. Bella would obviously pack up her things to be ready for him and Jasper and Alice would wait downstairs for them to arrive.
But, I has a test to study for and can no longer continue typing out long posts like these. So ta ta for now and hopefully it won't take too long to sort this out. ^_^
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No, you reported me! I can never forgive this insult to my honor! We shall be mortal enemies until death now!Nah, just kidding. Of course we can get along.
Cool beans. 👆
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Which comes to the crux of our problem. We have different answers about when they arrived. Assuming they arrived at noon and saw the vision then, it would make since that Edward would need an entire day to arrive there in car. Bella would obviously pack up her things to be ready for him and Jasper and Alice would wait downstairs for them to arrive.But, I has a test to study for and can no longer continue typing out [b]long
posts like these. So ta ta for now and hopefully it won't take too long to sort this out. ^_^ [/B]
You could argue that an entire day and a few hours passes between the time Bella talks to Edward and the time that Bella tries to step out. It would have to be around 26-28 hours. It just seems out of place that the director would show Bella packing up right after Edward got on the phone...and then do a 28 hour time skip before she sneaks off to the Dance hall. Why would she wait more than a day to go to the Dance hall? Her mother was caught by James and she did not want anyone to get hurt.
We do know that that an entire day passed when they (Alice and Co) left Forks and when they get to the Hotel. Alice gets her vision right after they arrive because it shows that it is morning. No matter what, we have a nice case for James for being able to make the run in 2-3 hours. Edward is faster. That's it.
I have no less than 4 tests and I am procrastinating. However, I don't have to study for these tests: it's history tests! WEEEEE!
Originally posted by dadudemon
You could argue that an entire day and a few hours passes between the time Bella talks to Edward and the time that Bella tries to step out. It would have to be around 26-28 hours. It just seems out of place that the director would show Bella packing up right after Edward got on the phone...and then do a 28 hour time skip before she sneaks off to the Dance hall. Why would she wait more than a day to go to the Dance hall? Her mother was caught by James and she did not want anyone to get hurt.We do know that that an entire day passed when they (Alice and Co) left Forks and when they get to the Hotel. Alice gets her vision right after they arrive because it shows that it is morning. No matter what, we have a nice case for James for being able to make the run in 2-3 hours. Edward is faster. That's it.
I have no less than 4 tests and I am procrastinating. However, I don't have to study for these tests: it's history tests! WEEEEE!
I suggest the phone call took place after they did a 26 hour skip.
I'll meet you halfway. Judging by the scene where the Cullen males are in the car driving while Edward is calling, we can call it day time. Halfway between morning and afternoon. Fair enough?
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I suggest the phone call took place after they did a 26 hour skip.I'll meet you halfway. Judging by the scene where the Cullen males are in the car driving while Edward is calling, we can call it day time. Halfway between morning and afternoon. Fair enough?
Fair enough. But that puts it about the time that I estimated for the Cullens. I think you're coming "all the way" and I'm not conceding anything. 🙁
Here, I'll do one better:
I was actually, and you by extension, chastised for even getting hung up on the entire "run" discussion during that 2 day period.
It's actually moot in a combat experience because the vamps will not be locked onto by Stark because they are "cold ones." The whole point of that was to outrun any heat-seakers Stark might have or the tank baster but it doesn't really matter. How are they supposed to get up to top speed before impact? How long will it take to get to top speed? etc. etc. etc.
I humbly accept that criticism. 🙁
What does count is combat speed: fighting at speed.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Fair enough. But that puts it about the time that I estimated for the Cullens. I think you're coming "all the way" and I'm not conceding anything. 🙁Here, I'll do one better:
I was actually, and you by extension, chastised for even getting hung up on the entire "run" discussion during that 2 day period.
It's actually moot in a combat experience because the vamps will not be locked onto by Stark because they are "cold ones." The whole point of that was to outrun any heat-seakers Stark might have or the tank baster but it doesn't really matter. How are they supposed to get up to top speed before impact? How long will it take to get to top speed? etc. etc. etc.
I humbly accept that criticism. 🙁
What does count is combat speed: fighting at speed.
I assure you that you are.
I think he said "You guys who defend Twilight" which doesn't include me because I see Edward losing this fight. 😮
That said, anything heat seaking is not going to work obviously. Lasers will but not heat seaking things.
Edward's combat speed is not very impressive in my opinion. 😮
I never said that Stark made Caps shield, i said that whatever he did to make that new element or whatever it was, was what Caps shield was made of (I pulled that from the comics, not the Iron Man comics, but just random stuff that made me have that realization)
Anyways, after i look at the Iron Man scenes with the armor, the armor covers his entire body, there are no joints. Its more of full flexible metal. If they Iron Monger couldnt rip it apart, neither can a TwiVamp.
Originally posted by Pwned
I never said that Stark made Caps shield, i said that whatever he did to make that new element or whatever it was, was what Caps shield was made of (I pulled that from the comics, not the Iron Man comics, but just random stuff that made me have that realization)
Not sure what that's about but it's still wrong. (Not to be rude.) The shield in 616 is mad of vibranium and adamantium. Niether of which exist in the movies for Ironman.
Originally posted by Pwned
Anyways, after i look at the Iron Man scenes with the armor, the armor covers his entire body, there are no joints. Its more of full flexible metal. If they Iron Monger couldnt rip it apart, neither can a TwiVamp.
Wah?
K.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Not sure what that's about but it's still wrong. (Not to be rude.) The shield in 616 is mad of vibranium and adamantium. Niether of which exist in the movies for Ironman.
Wah?
K.
They exist in Wolverine origins.
But I separate the Marvel films into those made by studios. And the ones made by Marvel Studios.
But considering the Captain America trailer. Which is definitely based in the same universe as the Ironman films. The elements exist.
Originally posted by Placidity
So whats all this talk about Vibranium?Did someone say the armor is made of that? Cause its not.
Pwned said that Stark had the materials for Ironman's shield because we saw an incomplete prop in the background in one of the films. It's a baseless claim.
We actually know what Ironman's suit is made out of: titanium and gold. He actually says what it is made out of in the first Ironman film.
Originally posted by the ninjak
They exist in Wolverine origins.But I separate the Marvel films into those made by studios. And the ones made by Marvel Studios.
But considering the Captain America trailer. Which is definitely based in the same universe as the Ironman films. The elements exist.
1. I never said they don't exist, period, in any fictional universe. They just do not exist in Ironman's universe.
2. Your post has no bearing to this thread or the thread outcome.
Meh. I was half asleep when me and my friends came to the conclusion he made Vibranium. Dont recall that i said the suit was MADE of it. I said some little bit of it may be like it, or i MENT to. Forgive my half concious rambling.
Where did he say what it was made from?
Also, have we seen Twivamps do anything that suggests ripping apart titanium is possible even for them?
Originally posted by Pwned
Where did he say what it was made from?Also, have we seen Twivamps do anything that suggests ripping apart titanium is possible even for them?
Ironman 1.
He says it rather fast so you will have to turn subtitles on. Watch the scene where he's building the ironman.
Ripping apart thin plates of Titanium is much easier than you think...especially when they are "watered" down with gold.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yet the armour took tank shells and blows from both Iron Monger and Whiplash extremely well. Iron Monger was punching through buses and Whiplash was cutting everything but teh armour like it was butter. It has more durability that the Twivamps can dish out imo.
I agree that it has more durability than a vampire can punch, straigh on, with.
However, I'd put the twivamps as much stronger than Ironmonger.
Edward is "not very strong" and he easily pushed over a thick tree like it was nothing. The strength required to do that is well over 100 ton class. Somewhere on here, I did a calculation out for the tree. I think the tree would have had to weigh at least 80 tons, minimum. That's not taking into account how much force he would have had to apply to break the tree...which would be many times the weight of the tree.
This is why Bella says cars are like Styrofoam to them.
This is also why Carlisle said that no human army could stand against 20 newborn vampires.
Also, I have a theory as to why Ironman's armor, which is made of gold and titanium, withstood the whips...somewhat: the gold. The gold is the best or second best conductor (depends on what you want to classify as "best"😉 of electricity. I'd say that his armor absorbs much more of the arc reactors electricity and we do see an electrical component to the whips. There's no way that his suit should not have been torn to shreds by being made out of gold and titanium. Many called that PIS and whined about it...but that's the best reason I can come up with for why the whip can tear through much more metal in the form of a race car but doesn't seem to tear through less than an inch of titanium and gold. It doesn't cut it as a good explanation, however: it rather sucks. But it's the best we can do.
His suit still experienced tearing/destruction. Just not on level with what other items experienced.
What I mean, is: the twivamps could easily tear his armor to shreds. They won't be punching through it, however.
It's funny that someone assumed that Ironman had Vibranium in his armor just because he had a prototype of the shield in his basement. The thing looked wobbly and half made.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This is why Bella says cars are like Styrofoam to them.What I mean, is: the twivamps could easily tear his armor to shreds. They won't be punching through it, however.
Edward stopped a car with pushed pressure against a sliding car door.
Ive never seen one tear a car a metal apart.
And the tree Edward pulled out was in a moist damp climate and the tree wasn't that big......or was it?