Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Carbonadium is not more elastic than adamantium, it's more malleable. Which means that force from Mjolnir's blows will not absorbed any easier.Physics fail. Elasticity and malleability are two separate (yet related) concepts, and something can be elastic and not malleable.
Which is hilariously inconsistent if you think about it. Adamantium cuts through adamantium but not through something weaker than it? Adamantium beta is identical to primary adamantium except it's physically bonded to Logan's biology.
LOL possible? Thor can one-shot these guys without using his full strength.
Like who? Slingshot has superspeed with an undefined upper limit. Thor has handled speedsters in the past and faster ones too. Wolverine is one of the skilled combatants in the Marvel universe; taking his skill feats into account, Thor is not that far behind him in fighting prowess.
That was exactly what srank was doing and it's completely inconsistent with Thor's portrayal over the last 30 years. You don't really know anything about Thor do you? :/
BTW just because a character says something doesn't make it true. There are numerous instances where characters say false crap because the writers don't know what they're talking about. If you really took Marvel characters at their word you'd have a billion continuity errors on your hands.
The fact that Thor would be trying to hit a coil instead of a solid structure tells me they probably will absorb the impact better, IF Thor was trying to hammer the coils for SOME reason. 😕
The only thing hilariously inconsistent about what Wolverine doesn't cut through is when his claws are written down for the sake of another character like in first class.
Beyond that care to explain what you're talking about here?
Maybe he can, maybe he can't.
Everyone's "handled" speedsters... The fact that is Wolverine and Elektra are TYPICALLY represented faster in melee than Thor.. which this fight IS melee so it kind of matters.
Again with this bullshit assuming I don't know one of Marvel's oldest and most popular staple heroes because I have an opinion on the character that differs from yours?
Of course I understand the premise behind hypoerbole, but Thor missing Wolverine in a h2h melee with a few punches while Wolverine evades doesn't exactly scream PIS to me given Thor's career. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinDo you even read what you're talking about? What does my personal fighting experience have to do with a comic? Or with whether or not Thor was indeed using his fiercest blows in his fight with Wolverine?
THIS...That kind of blatant absolutism and stupidity is EXACTLY why I was asking about your fighting experience...
You don't have any, it's okay to admit that you're talkng out of your ass when it's completely clear that you are.
Hulk has planetary busting power, I supposed he holds back on Wolverine too.
Only thing amusing here is you ignoring the "on panel" evidence you love so much only until it's convenient for you to ignore... If you're going to do that, then please ignore me too, I can't be bothered to waste my time being wrapped up in your transparencies anymore.
We both know those weren't his fiercest blows... because he wasn't trying to bust planets or kill Celestials, just smack Wolverine. Are you really trying to hold Thor's statement... in a single fight against Wolverine... as on-panel evidence over the entirety of his career? Let's ask this question a different way, has Thor ever swung a fiercer blow than the ones we swung at Wolverine?
If you actually think that he hasn't... then you have truly gone off the deep-end. Your deflections aren't even making sense at this point. Thor was talking out of his a$$. That's obvious. Except to you apparently.
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Originally posted by Silent Master
You're purposely missing the point.
I don't think I am.... I just don't the "the point", or at least what I was getting from your reply really means much to this thread.
Of course Thor fights people on a "higher level" than Wolverine, and yeah he wins a lot of those fights, but he wins a majority of those fights due to multiple powers and abilities he's been stripped of in this fight.
If you have a number of examples where Thor is forced into a h2h confrontation and completely outclasses Wolverine's skill and speed throughout his career than you would HAVE a point, but bringing up a few high level characters that he beats on with Mjolnir who don't use any of the attributes that Wolverine actually uses in combat doesn't do anything to forward this discussion.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't think I am.... I just don't the "the point", or at least what I was getting from your reply really means much to this thread.Of course Thor fights people on a "higher level" than Wolverine, and yeah he wins a lot of those fights, but he wins a majority of those fights due to multiple powers and abilities he's been stripped of in this fight.
If you have a number of examples where Thor is forced into a h2h confrontation and completely outclasses Wolverine's skill and speed throughout his career than you would HAVE a point, but bringing up a few high level characters that he beats on with Mjolnir who don't use any of the attributes that Wolverine actually uses in combat doesn't do anything to forward this discussion.
Again, You're purposely missing the point.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Do you even read what you're talking about? What does my personal fighting experience have to do with a comic? Or with whether or not Thor was indeed using his fiercest blows in his fight with Wolverine?We both know those weren't his fiercest blows... because he wasn't trying to bust planets or kill Celestials, just smack Wolverine. Are you really trying to hold Thor's statement... in a single fight against Wolverine... as on-panel evidence over the entirety of his career? Let's ask this question a different way, has [b]Thor ever swung a fiercer blow than the ones we swung at Wolverine?
If you actually think that he hasn't... then you have truly gone off the deep-end. Your deflections aren't even making sense at this point. Thor was talking out of his a$$. That's obvious. Except to you apparently.
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You assume that Thor was not using his fiercest and finest blows in that fight because of what he's done in other appearances when he wasn't fighting Wolverine...
You're again being obtuse here.
Thor's actions support the evidence that comic provides, you've somehow deluded yourself into thinking otherwise.
It's as ridiculous an argument as "hulk holds back on Wolverine" for the exact same planet busting reasons. Wolverine can take the best shots heavy hitters have to offer more often than not so the argument that "thor was just trying to hit Wolverine thus he must have been holding back" is a pretty weak one, but in the context of that read he apparently didn't have to because his speed was a hard obsticle for Thor to overcome.
There's nothing within the confines of that story to suggest Thor was holding back.
There's nothing in that story to suggest that Wolverine's melee speed wasn't the superior of the two.
You want to argue that it wasn't just because Thor manages to hit him eventually? Just exposes how little you know about combat in spite of talking like you do.
Anyways, I think I'm done with you man, no offense, you're an okay debator I guess, but your tactics are painfully self serving and annoying IMO and I know we are never going to change eachothers opinions on any of these matters much less come to an understanding so.... not much left to say there.
Originally posted by jinzinUh... yeah. Exactly. What Thor has done in his other appearances actually counts. It's called recognizing Thor's feats through the entirety of his career rather than focusing on statements in a single fight.
You assume that Thor was not using his fiercest and finest blows in that fight because of what he's done in other appearances when he wasn't fighting Wolverine...
Originally posted by jinzinLolwut? Recognizing that Thor has swung fiercer blows throughout his career means I'm being obtuse? 😂
You're again being obtuse here.
Originally posted by jinzinErr... Thor's actions throughout other comics completely debunks that single comic. And it's not even that comic, it's just a statement in isolation in a single comic in a single fight (until that fight started going horribly for Wolverine). And you're trying to project delusion onto me? 😂 😂
Thor's actions support the evidence that comic provides, you've somehow deluded yourself into thinking otherwise.
Originally posted by jinzinWait. WTF are you even talking about? I can't even follow what you're saying at all. You're trying to tell me that Hulk's fights with Wolverine prove that Thor was using his fiercest blows against Wolverine? lolwtf??????????
It's as ridiculous an argument as "hulk holds back on Wolverine" for the exact same planet busting reasons. Wolverine can take the best shots heavy hitters have to offer more often than not so the argument that "thor was just trying to hit Wolverine thus he must have been holding back" is a pretty weak one, but in the context of that read he apparently didn't have to because his speed was a hard obsticle for Thor to overcome.
Originally posted by jinzinExcept Thor actually started hitting Wolverine when he lost his patience.
There's nothing within the confines of that story to suggest Thor was holding back.
There's nothing in that story to suggest that Wolverine's melee speed wasn't the superior of the two.
Except Thor's entire career of dealing with speedsters and superspeedsters that utterly outclass Wolverine's combat speed.
Originally posted by jinzinErr... yeah. Obviously, Thor wasn't using his finest and fiercest blows on Wolverine, because they were missing... and the one he connected with had no such aggrandizing commentary, "Finally, I have exceeded my previous limits of finest and fiercest blows in my entire career and landed a smiting blow upon Wolverine!" 😂
You want to argue that it wasn't just because Thor manages to hit him eventually? Just exposes how little you know about combat in spite of talking like you do.Anyways, I think I'm done with you man, no offense, you're an okay debator I guess, but your tactics are painfully self serving and annoying IMO and I know we are never going to change eachothers opinions on any of these matters much less come to an understanding so.... not much left to say there.
Man... I don't even know what you're arguing at this point. Somehow, Thor was missing with all his finest and fiercest blows... which were, in his entire history, actually his finest and fiercest blows, and then hit him... with either an inferior blow or an entirely superior blow he ever swung in his entire career.
You literally have no idea that you're making no sense at all, do you? I'm going to guess you're drunk.
Originally posted by jinzin
Except that we've seen Red's tenticals stretching out for opponents and showing elasticity while doing so. It's not as though his coils are only rigid sections with articulation.
That's not an example of elasticity.
If you bend a metal coil like Omega Red's into a circle, it will not spring back to its original position. If you hit it with sufficient force and deform it, it will not pop back out into its original position. Hence it has roughly no elasticity.
If you shoot Reed Richards with a bullet, there will be a depression surrounding the area of impact. The bullet will ricochet back but the depressed area will quickly revert back to its original shape. Hence Richards possesses high elasticity.
Comprende?
The coils themselves are not being stretched, they are being extended. It's as large a difference between someone lying fullspread on the floor and trying to draw and quarter them.
Originally posted by jinzin
The fact that Thor would be trying to hit a coil instead of a solid structure tells me they probably will absorb the impact better, IF Thor was trying to hammer the coils for SOME reason. 😕
And why would they? Because they're coils?
Did I claim Thor would go for the tentacles? No. I said the tentacles will not be able to restrain him because he's too strong.
Originally posted by jinzin
The only thing hilariously inconsistent about what Wolverine doesn't cut through is when his claws are written down for the sake of another character like in first class.
Beyond that care to explain what you're talking about here?
Wolverine can cut through adamantium with adamantium, but he can't cut through carbonadium with adamantium. One of these materials is weaker than the other, guess which one.
Originally posted by jinzin
Maybe he can, maybe he can't.
lol?
Maybe?
At the very least I thought you admitted to his vastly superior strength.
Originally posted by jinzin
Everyone's "handled" speedsters... The fact that is Wolverine and Elektra are TYPICALLY represented faster in melee than Thor.. which this fight IS melee so it kind of matters.
That's not a fact, that's a blatantly ignorant opinion. Please show me these instances where Logan and Elektra are consistently faster than Thor, because it seems you're basing your entire theory on the Thor-Wolverine fight (a single fight in comparison to numerous better showings from Thor).
Actually, since we're so hunkydorky over Wolverine I guess I'll "use" ABC logic to prove Thor is faster.
Wolverine and Mister X have fought in the past, right? Generally their skill and speed are considered roughly equivalent with Mister X having an advantage with telepathy, right? With that advantage Wolverine has struggled to defeat Mister X without entering a berserker stage, right?
Post-Siege Mister X got his ass handed to him by Quicksilver, right? Mister X could read his mind but was too far too slow to exploit that advantage, right? And since Mister X and Wolverine are close in physical prowess and martial arts skill, it would make sense that we would get the same result if Quicksilver fought Wolverine, right?
And yet in Mighty Avengers Thor was fast enough to catch Quicksilver off-guard, the same person who had just dodged Thor's lightning (lightning travels at 1/3 the speed of light) in the previous panels. So Quicksilver is too fast for Mister X, which would make him too fast for Wolverine, but apparently he's not too fast for Thor. So I'm guessing Thor is too fast for Wolverine and Thor moves faster than lightning.
Right? innocent
Originally posted by jinzin
Again with this bullshit assuming I don't know one of Marvel's oldest and most popular staple heroes because I have an opinion on the character that differs from yours?
If you actually read Thor comics, you respond with "Why the hell do you assume I don't know anything about Thor? I've read x and y and z and [blank]'s run and blah blah blah." You know, specific issues and such. Even if I disagree with srank's opinion on the topic, at least he can talk about appearances of the characters he's supporting and make value judgments via writer or era. For example he can state differences between Daniel Way's Wolverine and Jason Aaron's Wolverine, and Rage can talk about the differences between Jurgen's and Simonson's runs. It lends that oh-so-important air of credibility to their arguments.
So yes, Thor being popular =/= you knowing anything relevant about him. Or is everyone in the U.S. now an expert on Abraham Lincoln?
Originally posted by jinzin
Of course I understand the premise behind hypoerbole, but Thor missing Wolverine in a h2h melee with a few punches while Wolverine evades doesn't exactly scream PIS to me given Thor's career. 😬
The career you apparently cannot describe and the issues you cannot identify. Gotcha. 😮💨
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So... I have to prove to you that Thor can win the majority... when you yourself believe that Thor wins the majority.And yet, obviously... for Thor to win the majority, he has to deal with Gorgon's abilities since Gorgon isn't going to completely eschew his abilities. So obviously, you believe and understand that Thor is capable of dealing with them for the majority of the time. But for some reason, you can't explain why you actually agree with us that Thor wins the majority.
Or you can't bring yourself to do so. Because of the hurtz in your buttz. Good job finding yourself in a catch-22: "I believez Thor wins the majority!!!!11 But you can't explain to me why he winzorzzz the majority!!!11 So, somehow... Wolverine winnnzzz!!!"
Awesome. 😂
face it one dumb you are cornered here, as i stated before my ultimate choise is non of your buisness because right now at this point i am debating for gorgon and you debate for thor and right now you cant prove anything so basically you are trying to turn the tables around, its like someone is being invastigated but instead of answering he choose to try and invastigate the invastigator... thats not a very smart move and all you prove by doing this is that you cant prove your point but you are too little of a so called man to admit you were wrong 🙄