Originally posted by CosmicCometso strength is what makes people fast huh?
Why should anyone have a problem with Thor being able to run faster than a bullet?Speed comes from muscles. And he has high end class hundred muscles. His legs are EASILY strong enough to propel his 600 lb body faster than a bullet.
by that logic, bodybuilders with massive legs will outrun track sprinters?
thor can't outrun a car, let alone come close to a bullet. simply laughable.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so strength is what makes people fast huh?by that logic, bodybuilders with massive legs will outrun track sprinters?
thor can't outrun a car, let alone come close to a bullet. simply laughable.
LOL. Oh boy.
Yes. Strong fast twitch leg muscles are what makes you fast. Track sprinters have huge legs relative to the rest of their build.
For humans the problem is you have diminishing returns, hence the bodybuilder issue.
Thor at 6'6" and a grossly muscular build is a little over 600 lbs, a human of the same height and build would be maybe 350 lbs, so he's quite a bit heavier than a human of equal size. Thankfully, he's quintillions of quintillions of times stronger than any human. So he carries that extra denseness with no notice. 600 lbs is less than a feather for Thor's strength.
If you didn't understand, I'm speaking realistically here. Not regarding feats. Taking an aside from the rest of the discussion.
Originally posted by inimalistif you're talking running speed, then no, gorgon can't outrun a bullet
where did I argue that?I'm not really up on the sides of this debate, I thought it would be interesting to try and calculate ground speed of Gorgon vs a bullet
but reaction speed, gorgon can react to multiple bullets
Originally posted by inimalist
where did I argue that?I'm not really up on the sides of this debate, I thought it would be interesting to try and calculate ground speed of Gorgon vs a bullet
Oh that wasn't aimed at you in particular, just some of the discussion in the last page or so that your post was particularly relevant to.
Sorry.
Originally posted by Starscream M
if you're talking running speed, then no, gorgon can't outrun a bulletbut reaction speed, gorgon can react to multiple bullets
Gorgon has some very impressive combat speed feats that put him in the top tier of Marvel MAs, I would agree. My thoughts on bulletspeed are hopefully well known by now
Originally posted by jinzin
Oh that wasn't aimed at you in particular, just some of the discussion in the last page or so that your post was particularly relevant to.Sorry.
s'all good
Originally posted by Starscream M
dood, that's kinda presumptuous tbhI have no idea what your thoughts on bulletspeed are
oh, sorry, I had been off on a rant about them yesterday
I generally don't think bulletdodging/cutting/etc feats are valuable when determining combat speed, because they have characters do things that, outside of bullet context, they don't demonstrate.
So yes, gorgon can cut bullets fired at him. Outside of that, his combat speed isn't shown to be 2-3 times faster than the speed of sound. thus, I don't think the bullet feat tells us much, other than he is fast
Originally posted by inimalistok I see
oh, sorry, I had been off on a rant about them yesterdayI generally don't think bulletdodging/cutting/etc feats are valuable when determining combat speed, because they have characters do things that, outside of bullet context, they don't demonstrate.
So yes, gorgon can cut bullets fired at him. Outside of that, his combat speed isn't shown to be 2-3 times faster than the speed of sound. thus, I don't think the bullet feat tells us much, other than he is fast
I agree to a degree
ie if wolverine dodges a bullet here or there, it doesn't mean he's that fast nec
but gorgon was deflecting MACHINE GUN fire effortlessly...I think that's actually a level beyond top tier street levels display
ok, fair enough, and Existere pointed out essentially the same thing to me, so yes, I would say if he is doing so "more effortlessly" than other street level chars, it does indicate he is faster than them.
However, doesn't DD have scans of weaving between bullets in flight? I'm not sure deflecting bullets is above top level street. I could be totally wrong
Originally posted by inimalistweaving between bullets can be more of aim dodging than bullet dodgingHowever, doesn't DD have scans of weaving between bullets in flight? I'm not sure deflecting bullets is above top level street. I could be totally wrong
gorgon was using a sword basically to hit the bullets from a machine gun aimed straight at him.
Originally posted by Juk3nIf some of those have been clearly been shown to be faster than bullets, then why are you stating in the next sentence that they aren't?
Daredevil swats bullets out of the air with his billy club, he's not faster than bullets.Captain America outraced a bullet. He's not faster than bullets.
Elektra - deflect - sais - not faster than
Cassy Cain - Weave - dodge - not faster than
Gambit - play - dance - still not faster than.
Originally posted by inimalist
ok, fair enough, and Existere pointed out essentially the same thing to me, so yes, I would say if he is doing so "more effortlessly" than other street level chars, it does indicate he is faster than them.However, doesn't DD have scans of weaving between bullets in flight? I'm not sure deflecting bullets is above top level street. I could be totally wrong
I dont know man, I sure you could find some feats of top tier doing similar however I bet they are not as impressive nor done as effortlessly. He casually deflecting machine gun firer, complete going on touched while unarmed against elektra ect. He operates at a higher speed and consistently to any street or low meta
Originally posted by Starscream M
weaving between bullets can be more of aim dodging than bullet dodginggorgon was using a sword basically to hit the bullets from a machine gun aimed straight at him.
there is one im thinking of in particular where he is literally weaving through a straight stream of bullets, but I get you
I'd look more to Gorgon schooling and killing Phobos in Secret Warriors 21 as a high end combat speed feat, than I would the bullets though
Phobos of course being Ares son, trained by the war god himself (so, while not an Asgardian, at least a member of some pantheon):
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
I dont know man, I sure you could find some feats of top tier doing similar however I bet they are not as impressive nor done as effortlessly. He casually deflecting machine gun firer, complete going on touched while unarmed against elektra ect. He operates at a higher speed and consistently to any street or low meta
well yes, that is almost the crux of my point. Lets use the feats outside of bullets to determine combat speed
I am not just saying this to try and "depower" gorgon. The math is really simple. Bullets fired from handguns approach the speed of sound, those from rifles/machine guns are up to 3x that speed. Its nothing to do with Gorgon at all, just that the context of bullets in comics produce wildly irrational scenes.
even punking elektra is nowhere close to 3x the speed of sound. So, sure, while we can probably use the bullet feat to say he is quick, the feat of him beating other fast characters are much more illustrative of his combat speed.
Wolverine is fast enough to be invisible to the human eye right?
That would have to make him VERY fast as Wolverine is a lot bigger than a bullet--which of course is also too fast for a human to see when fired.
Gorgon is in turn least as fast as Wolverine no?
It's not far-fetched at all for him to run faster than a bullet when you think about it like this.
And thus, he should be able to cover the 500 meter starting distance pretty much instantly. Now, is Thor still fast enough to start the ground and pound even before he closes that distance?
Maybe, maybe not.
