Originally posted by optic_blast!!!How am I cornered? How am I wrong? 😂
face it one dumb you are cornered here, as i stated before my ultimate choise is non of your buisness because right now at this point i am debating for gorgon and you debate for thor and right now you cant prove anything so basically you are trying to turn the tables around, its like someone is being invastigated but instead of answering he choose to try and invastigate the invastigator... thats not a very smart move and all you prove by doing this is that you cant prove your point but you are too little of a so called man to admit you were wrong 🙄
You agree that Thor wins the majority. For Thor to win the majority, he has to able to deal with Gorgon's speed and abilities. So why keep up this running diatribe that it's not being proven? I'm supposed to preach to the choir now?
Let's face it. You did one of two things:
(i) You stuck your foot in your mouth when you said Thor would get the majority. You blundered when you were trying to feign of sense of reasonableness to cover up what a butt-hurt sock you are. Complete phail. Nobody to blame for your own self-sabotage but yourself.
(ii) We've stuck our feet up your butt via swift kicks and you're just trolling now. Even though we all agree Thor wins the majority, somehow, you feel like you have the right to argue over nothing out of some inane desire to prove me wrong.
Exactly how are you going to prove me wrong? You already agree with me that Thor wins the majority. Let's face it, the real reason I asked you to explain your thinking for how Thor wins is two-fold: (a) giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are sincerely discussing the topic, I'd like to know exactly how far our disconnect is between our opinions so that I don't waste time proving something you already believe and focus instead on the gaps between us; and (b) if you're not sincerely discussing it, to expose that pool of blood streaming down your leg because you can't let this go. Hey, buck up, it's not your fault that you caught yourself in a catch-22. Oh wait... yea it is.
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Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
That's not an example of elasticity.If you bend a metal coil like Omega Red's into a circle, it will not spring back to its original position. If you hit it with sufficient force and deform it, it will not pop back out into its original position. Hence it has roughly no elasticity.
If you shoot Reed Richards with a bullet, there will be a depression surrounding the area of impact. The bullet will ricochet back but the depressed area will quickly revert back to its original shape. Hence Richards possesses high elasticity.
Comprende?
The coils themselves are not being stretched, they are being extended. It's as large a difference between someone lying fullspread on the floor and trying to draw and quarter them.
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowIf OR picked Thor up off his feet his strength would be nullified a great deal. He isn't going to snap or break the coils, they can stretch and continuously compensate for any pulling or pushing he attempts to use on them. Just like the Dock Ock example you brought up earlier.
And why would they? Because they're coils?Did I claim Thor would go for the tentacles? No. I said the tentacles will not be able to restrain him because he's too strong.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
Wolverine can cut through adamantium with adamantium, but he can't cut through carbonadium with adamantium. One of these materials is weaker than the other, guess which one.
One is an indestructible material. the other is an indestructible radioactive material... they're comparable, it's been referenced a number of times.
Adamantium has grades which is why bringing up characters breaking and thrashing some grades Adamantium means absolutely NOTHING when making comparisons with the Wolverine family.
Hulk has completely destroyed 1st grade Adamantium, he's failed to do the same to Wolverine.... Guess why.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
lol?Maybe?
At the very least I thought you admitted to his vastly superior strength.
I do.
Fact is, while I DO believe one shot will probably obliterate Gorgon, there's no evidence for it to be completely honest.
One of the things Wolverine mentioned about him was his resilience to conventional and unconventional means. We've only seen Gorgon be hit with superstrength once and it didn't do anything but knock him down.
So there's a slim (Yes very slim) chance that he may have the durability/healing factor to deal with a shot from Thor, especially what will like be a glancing one given his power set.
With Red... well Reds a class 80 or something, has unbreakable bones, Carbonadium armor, and a healing factor. An enraged Colossus couldn't put a weakened/tortured OR down with several punches, I don't think 1 half ass Thor punch is gonna do it. But that's just an opinion.
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
That's not a fact, that's a blatantly ignorant opinion. Please show me these instances where Logan and Elektra are consistently faster than Thor, because it seems you're basing your entire theory on the Thor-Wolverine fight (a single fight in comparison to numerous better showings from Thor).
Elektra's speed is suggested to be better than Wolverine's, she blocks automatic gunfire with a sai point shot for shot without spinning the blades... Really?
Originally posted by Johnny SorrowPretty piss poor comparison since Thor had to use a ground pound tactic to do that. A wide spread area effective tactic that takes away Pietro's footing? That somehow proves something about Thor's speed? Gimme-a-break. At least my examples are during an in fight scenario where Thor's y'know.... FIGHTING... 😐
Actually, since we're so hunkydorky over Wolverine I guess I'll "use" ABC logic to prove Thor is faster.Wolverine and Mister X have fought in the past, right? Generally their skill and speed are considered roughly equivalent with Mister X having an advantage with telepathy, right? With that advantage Wolverine has struggled to defeat Mister X without entering a berserker stage, right?
Post-Siege Mister X got his ass handed to him by Quicksilver, right? Mister X could read his mind but was too far too slow to exploit that advantage, right? And since Mister X and Wolverine are close in physical prowess and martial arts skill, it would make sense that we would get the same result if Quicksilver fought Wolverine, right?
And yet in Mighty Avengers Thor was fast enough to catch Quicksilver off-guard, the same person who had just dodged Thor's lightning (lightning travels at 1/3 the speed of light) in the previous panels. So Quicksilver is too fast for Mister X, which would make him too fast for Wolverine, but apparently he's not too fast for Thor. So I'm guessing Thor is too fast for Wolverine and Thor moves faster than lightning.
Right? innocent
Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
If you actually read Thor comics, you respond with "Why the hell do you assume I don't know anything about Thor? I've read x and y and z and [blank]'s run and blah blah blah." You know, specific issues and such. Even if I disagree with srank's opinion on the topic, at least he can talk about appearances of the characters he's supporting and make value judgments via writer or era. For example he can state differences between Daniel Way's Wolverine and Jason Aaron's Wolverine, and Rage can talk about the differences between Jurgen's and Simonson's runs. It lends that oh-so-important air of credibility to their arguments.So yes, Thor being popular =/= you knowing anything relevant about him. Or is everyone in the U.S. now an expert on Abraham Lincoln?
The career you apparently cannot describe and the issues you cannot identify. Gotcha. 😮💨
Never claimed to be an expert on Thor. EVER.
That's a bullshit deflection that takes away from the issue.
If I've wasted my life reading TONS of Marvel Comics (and I have), and a number of those comics use Thor as a guest or as part of a team (MTU, Captain America, Avengers, etc) because he's such a staple Marvel character AND I've been semi-routinely reading Thor books since vol. 2 plus have read a number of his appearances from vol 1 and JIM as well has being pretty damned consistent reading up on him since Dissassembled, then who are you to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?
Because I have a differing opinion on the character?
Because I don't cater to his highest end feats in place of his ENTIRE career (Y'know the one where he routinely had issues with Cobra)?
I mean seriously what part of my opinion of Thor would suggest I don't know anything about him other then the conflict it causes with your opinion of Thor?
I would say the people running around here claiming Thor has super speed in combat is a MUCH more ignorant claim then the one's claiming he fights about as fast as a typical high end street level.
Bottem line is that I don't need to be an expert on Thor to share my opinion of the character.
And if other people disagree with that opinion and want to prove it wrong, then it's their job to provide the evidence.
So far the evidence as been left wanting and the ermm "logic" even moreso.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
Well Thor 620.1 just showed that Asgardains can be turned to stone, However it on last for a short time and Thor can counter with lighting to free himself if he wants So ya Thor wins 😎
Stone stare is banned, and this is a melee fight only. No exotic powers including lightning.
Do you believe Thor is fast enough to keep up with Gorgon and OR? I'm uncertain.
Originally posted by CosmicCometThor has fought Hermes/caught, Been able to take down a SS while he is charging on him board at him plus tons of other combat relexes to aim to him being able to take on speedsters so i say yes he can
Stone stare is banned, and this is a melee fight only. No exotic powers including lightning.Do you believe Thor is fast enough to keep up with Gorgon? I'm uncertain.
Ok, and that is part of the main (and admittedly enjoyable) debate that is going on here right now, are Thor's highest showings of reflexes
representative of what he's truly capable of, or are they outside of the scope of his average showings and thus misrepresentative?
Jinzin reckons Thor is normally meant to be on par with high end street levelers in combat speed.
And there might be some weight to that, as Brevoort in the past has lumped Thor (and Hulk) comparable to Spiderman in speed.
Originally posted by CosmicCometThor for plenty of heralds level enemies in melee. Glads, SS, are 2 that are extremily fast nd speed never gave them a big enough advantage to take Thor down Head on
Ok, and that is part of the main (and admittedly enjoyable) debate that is going on here right now, are Thor's highest showings of reflexes
representative of what he's truly capable of, or are they outside of the scope of his average showings and thus misrepresentative?Jinzin reckons Thor is normally meant to be on par with high end street levelers in combat speed.
And there might be some weight to that, as Brevoort in the past has lumped Thor (and Hulk) comparable to Spiderman in speed.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
How fast is Gorgon compared to a bullet in linear speed?
from secret warriors at least, he appears to move about as fast as other MAs. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say cheetah quickness, and a slow handgun bullet.
Gorgon would be roughly 1/11th the speed of a bullet.
Originally posted by inimalisthe's faster than bullests...he was deflecting machine gun fire with a sword
from secret warriors at least, he appears to move about as fast as other MAs. Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and say cheetah quickness, and a slow handgun bullet.Gorgon would be roughly 1/11th the speed of a bullet.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How am [b]I cornered? How am I wrong? 😂You agree that Thor wins the majority. For Thor to win the majority, he has to able to deal with Gorgon's speed and abilities. So why keep up this running diatribe that it's not being proven? I'm supposed to preach to the choir now?
Let's face it. You did one of two things:
(i) You stuck your foot in your mouth when you said Thor would get the majority. You blundered when you were trying to feign of sense of reasonableness to cover up what a butt-hurt sock you are. Complete phail. Nobody to blame for your own self-sabotage but yourself.
(ii) We've stuck our feet up your butt via swift kicks and you're just trolling now. Even though we all agree Thor wins the majority, somehow, you feel like you have the right to argue over nothing out of some inane desire to prove me wrong.
Exactly how are you going to prove me wrong? You already agree with me that Thor wins the majority. Let's face it, the real reason I asked you to explain your thinking for how Thor wins is two-fold: (a) giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are sincerely discussing the topic, I'd like to know exactly how far our disconnect is between our opinions so that I don't waste time proving something you already believe and focus instead on the gaps between us; and (b) if you're not sincerely discussing it, to expose that pool of blood streaming down your leg because you can't let this go. Hey, buck up, it's not your fault that you caught yourself in a catch-22. Oh wait... yea it is.
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once again you avoid me and instead of refering to my statements and question all you do is typing scrolls over scrolls of meaningless posts that mean nothing, preety words trash talking wont get you out of the main subject... what is it? well since really you got serious context problems i will explain for you again
my overall opinion is that thor takes the majority BUT i see here all kind of bullshit statements from his side and his fan(boy)s like yourself claiming that all he needs to do is pound the ground and they will just go down? those statements made me just want to vomit all over your face and your thor home made helmet
so now my statement was simple right? please provide any avidance that shows us that thor can outfight gorgon in a hand 2 hand fight.. in order to do so you have to prove thor can react in combat speed to someone like gorgon without his typical PIS , also i pointed out that gorgon is a mind reader and he has special ability to read his opponents mind in the middle of a fight and just counter everything or supress that , so for starts you have to prove thor can match his kind of apeed and only then i will bring up the mind reading card and we can debate that but all you do is trolling and talking about anal blood which probably is some childhood bad memory of yours that took over your mind
i have noticed you like to avoid questions like you did with me and you did with jinzin you just avoid questions and statements that you dont like and trying to lead the other person to be invastigated by you but it wont work you wont turn the tables around so seriously i can go like this for years i got the stamina Lol and it will go on until you prove me something and you do that by facts and showings that are valid and legit otherwise you can keep playing with anal blood as much as you like it doesnt change anything
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's faster than bullests...he was deflecting machine gun fire with a sword
Daredevil swats bullets out of the air with his billy club, he's not faster than bullets.
Captain America outraced a bullet. He's not faster than bullets.
Elektra - deflect - sais - not faster than
Cassy Cain - Weave - dodge - not faster than
Gambit - play - dance - still not faster than.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Daredevil swats bullets out of the air with his billy club, he's not faster than bullets.Captain America outraced a bullet. He's not faster than bullets.
Elektra - deflect - sais - not faster than
Cassy Cain - Weave - dodge - not faster than
Gambit - play - dance - still not faster than.
Typhoid Mary has redirected a bullet with her sword. she is also not faster than a bullet.
Hell, Thor has blocked bullets with Mjolnir.....using Starscream's logic, Thor is faster than a bullet
Originally posted by Starscream M
he's faster than bullests...he was deflecting machine gun fire with a sword
there is a difference between running speed and reflex speed
not to mention, he also gets tagged by things much slower than machine gun bullets
Originally posted by Parmaniac
😂 are you reffering to OneDumbG0?
no... I picked something we could all probably agree was faster than Gorgon and that I didn't have to look up top running speed of (60mph iirc)