Originally posted by Tazerheh havok can destroy a lot more than that in one go and he doesnt need to "charge up"
Yo.L-P was coming from the standpoint that he could kill Alex *b4* he could use it, which IS possible if he has the right wep.
yur argument assumes Havok has enuff energy charged up that he'll take out 500m+ of an area. in a quickdraw. as a STARTING tactic.
hrmmm.....
Tazer
Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, Apparently Havok has better range than I thought. borrowed from his respect thread.
Polaris levitating a EM sattelite bomb, notice she took it out of Earths Orbit..
Hows that for accuracy and reach? X-factor 100...
never argued he couldn't shoot a focused beam that far. but if he's using focused beams slade can dodge. you need to show an omniblast that covers that sort of distance--which would be a full km if we're talking true omniblast.
Originally posted by leonidasHaha, oh me of little faith.
no, no, don't be silly. he's going to come in and prove a bunch of stuff any second. he's first going to prove that alex would blindly fire off an omniblast at the start of the battle. then he's going to prove that the blast would be effective over half a kilometer--in fact i bet he's even going to show a scan of havok unleashing a blast that COVERS half a kilometer. then he's going to prove havok is actually CHARGED with enough energy to even ATTEMPT this all-consuming omniblast at the start of the battle. then he's going to show that the blast would be powerful enough to ko slade from such a distance when slade has taken full point blank shots from starfire among other strong durability feats.you just wait. it's coming. 😉
Now, if Havok did shoot that blast, Slade might be ****ed. How fast is it? Plus, he's got a great healing factor, so could he tank a glancing blow?
In any case, I would argue that Slade could indeed draw and shoot faster than Havok could think to use omniblast, simply because the man is far faster and Havok has no speed feats to put him above a peak condition or thereabouts human.
It's the Terminator's fight to lose.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because people get butt hurt about his "jobber aura" and/or prefer to put their favorite street/meta in front of him for whatever self serving reason. The fact that people get really stupid when Identity Crisis is brought up proves that much.
Yo.
Originally posted by The Nuul
"Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun".
plz note: theres a decimal b4 the "5", which makes it ".5" or "0.5"........aka 500m.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, LP specifically said that DS could kill him before Alex could think "blast". Which isn't true.
sure it is: thought does not = action.
its 1 thing to concieve of an action, and another thing to entirely to carry it out, even if ya dont need to move to do so. to be honest, you're actually thinking of *two* diff thoughts he'll be having.
Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, Apparently Havok has better range than I thought. borrowed from his respect thread.
Polaris levitating a EM sattelite bomb, notice she took it out of Earths Orbit..
Hows that for accuracy and reach? X-factor 100...
nice accuracy & range to be sure, but note: 1) its a stationary target, 2) looks to me like he *was* building up the charge for that, and 3) see wat it did to him after it was spent?
unless U have Slade being held in 1 spot by promethium shackles, AND theres a sign pointing @ him saying "hey Havok, HERE HE AM!!!", then I dont see how the aboves proves yur point at all.......
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.sure it is: thought does not = action.
its 1 thing to concieve of an action, and another thing to entirely to carry it out, even if ya dont need to move to do so. to be honest, you're actually thinking of *two* diff thoughts he'll be having.
All Alex has to do to activate his power is think it, In order for DS to shoot Alex, he would have to think, draw, aim, fire and then the projectile would have to travel .5km before reaching Alex.
There is no way that is happening before Alex's powers activate.
nice accuracy & range to be sure, but note: 1) its a stationary target, 2) looks to me like he *was* building up the charge for that, and 3) see wat it did to him after it was spent?unless U have Slade being held in 1 spot by promethium shackles, AND theres a sign pointing @ him saying "hey Havok, HERE HE AM!!!", then I dont see how the aboves proves yur point at all.......
Tazer [/B]
It also traveled at least 4,000 times further than it would need to for this match. not that it matters as, Again, I'm not arguing that Alex wins by using this tactic, I'm just arguing that in a quick draw scenario like LP mentioned, there is no way that DS's attack would land before Alex could activate his power like LP claimed.
Originally posted by Silent MasterIf you insist on having this discussion...
All Alex has to do to activate his power is think it, In order for DS to shoot Alex, he would have to think, draw, aim, fire and then the projectile would have to travel .5km before reaching Alex.There is no way that is happening before Alex's powers activate.
Alex wouldn't need to just think 'blast'
He'd need to think 'ok, battle vs. deathstroke. who is that? where is he? should I omni-blast? ok, omni-blast, and here we go"
He could conceive the choice of whether or not to omni-blast before actually making that calculated decision.
Slade on the other hand wouldn't face a decision. He'd just shoot.
I'd like to emphasize (again) how irrelevant this all is, given that Alex won't, and (as emphasized by Leo) possibly can't omniblast from the get go. There's a complete lack of proof to justify that as a legitimate tactic for the character, so I'm not entirely sure why we're still talking about it.
Just like you're wrong about Havok not being ready to attack
Concerning the Battlefield
Unless otherwise stated by the thread originator, the standard distance between combatants will be .5 kilometers in line of sight at the onset of battle, and there will be an implied "buzz" to signify the onset of battle. It will be assumed combatants are primed to go at the gun.
Originally posted by srankmissingninFirst, Havok is not Deadshot, who has armor, meta speed and Bulkseye level marksmanship. Second, it was PIS both times. The first time DS was going through power loss. The second time they mutually decided to 'shoot each othe point blank until someone falls' total PIS. Time after time Ds has shown Quicksilver level reflexes, reaction and short movements. Sometimes faster. You realize he doesn't need a scope like in TT where his superhuman senses. his vision was telescopic. What is being over stated is the scope, range, power and speed of the omniblast. Nowhere has he ever done it instantly without some build up. it's not like it moves at lightspeed. Unlike DS staff.
Deathstroke's speed and accuracy is being severely overestimated in this thread, he couldn't "quick draw" Deadshot standing 20 feet apart... but he puts a bullet in Alex's head from 500 meter's away before Alex can even think about blasting him? Get real.
Originally posted by Existere
Well, yes. Because that's actually within Slade's personality.Take a fight like that, for instance. Slade was avoiding killing Geoforce (as he says, on panel, as Geoforce is an investment), but he immediately starts the fight by dropping the man 20 stories, and then impaling him twice. He always fought with maximum force, which can't be said about Havok.
YEAH BUT CHARACTERS FIGHT AT MAXIMUM POTENTIAL111!!! IT'S THE RULZ1111
Originally posted by 753You don't get it. srank get's it but just likes arguing against me (not nearly as much as i like arguing against him cuz he's always wrong). Havock's reaction time is 0.2, Slade's reaction time is absolutely INSTANTANEOUS. infinitely faster reaction than Havock's. That 0.2 may as well be an hour. How do you think he out reacts so many speedsters on a regular basis? Instantaneous is a mother****er.
not top mention human reaction time is 0.2 seconds. sure DS's shorter, but havok would still have time to blast before he can draw, aim, fire and hit. havok takes this barring cis
Originally posted by Silent MasterDS thought process is always noted as instanteous and his mind and body are one with no delay between thinking of pulling his gun and then pulling it and shooting it. so, 1 2 and 3 are simultaneous. So they both only have one step, and Slade steps faster. The limitations of Havock's slow thought process and DS staff are the only question.
In order for Slade to win a quick-draw, the following must happen1) Think
2) Draw weapon
3) Aim weapon
4) Fire weapon
5) Projectile must reach AlexIn order for Alex to win a quick-draw, the following must happen
1) Think
