Wonder Woman vs team

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
She's faster than them by a HUGE margin. Show me proof they can touch her.

No she isn't and haven't shown the type of combat speed that you all are talking about since her slapping stars from around a galaxy. She will not be fighting at these invisible speeds that you all are trying to throw off.

Rogue has speed feats of flying alongside Surfer through space at trans light, she also share the slapping machine gun bullets out of the air like Wondy and Supes does and then we have her flying from the moon to new york in a couple of seconds. She is fast enough to tag Wondy.

Wonderman can as well along with everyone else here. Wondy's bracers is the problem, she is a expert blocker but against this team, it will not get her far because she would have to be blocking from all angle from guys that could blast and cover an entire area.

Rogue isn't getting one shotted either. She has taken punches from Juggernaut, Binary punched her from new york to the moon (Wondy nepver showed that she could hit that hard) and rogue tanked it. She has taken hits from Hulk, Thor, and the list goes on. Also, she can absorb Wondy. Let's not forget about her moment when she absorbed every member on the xmen and avengers powers and went on a rampage.

Like I said before, going by feats, Ms. Marvel could give her hell... Wonderman has fought and done well against Hyperion, Thor, Gladiator, and Hulk, why wouldn't he be a threat to Wondy and Grey Hulk is a natural beast.

Research people.. do your research.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Isn't that what happens here, though? I mean, we're supposed to have all characters fight at full potential by default - albeit in character - and Flash, in forum settings, is pretty tough to beat unless you have a really good power set to overcome him.

Originally posted by aztec
If that were the case, then what's the point of writing comics , or having multiple heros? All Dc would need would be the Flash or Silver Surfer for Marvel.

In the Justice League Diana was able to lasso Amazo, the same android who had Flashe's powerset. In hypotethical women, Diana was able to land a blow to Wally, who was trying to kill her. During her encounter with Powergirl, Karen was unable to land a single punch when Diana was using her flexes and speed. Anyway, if you want to continue ignoring her speed and reflexes, its up to you. Diana has demostrated on multiple occasions that she can land hits on Flash, Cheetah, Amazo and Zoom. I can give you the number of individual issues or trades.

What?

When did I say I was ignoring her speed? I'm familiar with how fast Diana is. I've read every seen you've mentioned (The issue with Power Girl was more of a skill showing rather than a speed one I'd argue). I just don't think she operates at the levels she would need to beat this team anywhere near the majority.

She'd have to fight as if a poster was controlling her to win here. Character's fight at competent levels, but CIS is still in play. It's the reason why I rarely mention the God Blast despite Thor having used it like 6 times.

You could argue that facing such odds, would place Diana in an extreme mindset, forcing her to fight far outside the norm, but that's about it.

Originally posted by marwash22
ohhhhhhhh. you mean how Wally is Waaaaaaay faster than Diana, yet she manages to hit him? Gimme a break; you people fall back on speed much too often for my liking.

It's a fact that characters don't fight at their full potential and you can't just make Wondy fight out of character just to make an argument... if we did this, Flash would shit stomp in every single thread 'cause 99% of characters can't even see him when he goes at his max.

Show me an instance where Wondy has used the full extent of her speed (right off the bat) against an opponent that she knew wasn't a speedster. Bottom line, character's hardly ever speedblitz, stop changing character personalities.

Half of the characters Wally is pitted against in the versus forum, due however posses super speed... Diana happens to be one of the few hero's who can stop the Flash, she's done so in the past.

Once again, heroes don't use their potential in fights because of PIS or CIS. The same argument could be made for many hero's... Why is Thor needed, if Sentry is just as strong? Or why have the Justice League when Superman has an array of powers. The whole point of a versus forum, is to prove who can defeat who with logical reasoning and proof.

Originally posted by aztec
If that were the case, then what's the point of writing comics , or having multiple heros? All Dc would need would be the Flash or Silver Surfer for Marvel.

In the Justice League Diana was able to lasso Amazo, the same android who had Flashe's powerset. In hypotethical women, Diana was able to land a blow to Wally, who was trying to kill her. During her encounter with Powergirl, Karen was unable to land a single punch when Diana was using her flexes and speed. Anyway, if you want to continue ignoring her speed and reflexes, its up to you. Diana has demostrated on multiple occasions that she can land hits on Flash, Cheetah, Amazo and Zoom. I can give you the number of individual issues or trades.

Lol... she tagged Zoom and Flash. I can't even count anymore on how many people that has actually tagged Flash type people. Hell, I feel safe to say that if all of these peeps that re going against Wondy was in DC, they would tag flash also.

Its just how it is.

Lol... she tagged Amazo... an amazo that was getting his leg sawed off with a lazer from Batman. Flash admitted during his fight with Amazo that if he didn't steal his speed from Amazo, Amazo would have killed the Justice League (including Diana since she was in the room when he said this) before they got their next thought off.

As it stands, I think Diana only wins 6/10 here. *shrugs*

Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel and Rogue are the team's best shots, imo, and if they wind up KOed or incapacitated, I really don't see the grounded members doing well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?

When did I say I was ignoring her speed? I'm familiar with how fast Diana is. I've read every seen you've mentioned (The issue with Power Girl was more of a skill showing rather than a speed one I'd argue). I just don't think she operates at the levels she would need to beat this team anywhere near the majority.

She'd have to fight as if a poster was controlling her to win here. Character's fight at competent levels, but CIS is still in play. It's the reason why I rarely mention the God Blast despite Thor having used it like 6 times.

You could argue that facing such odds, would place Diana in an extreme mindset, forcing her to fight far outside the norm, but that's about it.

I think you are vastly underestimating Diana.

Aztec: There's very little that can stop Flash if he's not jobbing or holding back. But yes, Diana has tagged him. She operates in that ballpark.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... she tagged Zoom and Flash. I can't even count anymore on how many people that has actually tagged Flash type people. Hell, I feel safe to say that if all of these peeps that re going against Wondy was in DC, they would tag flash also.

Its just how it is.

Lol... she tagged Amazo... an amazo that was getting his leg sawed off with a lazer from Batman. Flash admitted during his fight with Amazo that if he didn't steal his speed from Amazo, Amazo would have killed the Justice League (including Diana since she was in the room when he said this) before they got their next thought off.

Based on what? Diana tags people far faster than her based on her skill, her own speed, and decades/centuries/etc of training. Her doing well against super speedsters while blind further drives that point home. Trying to discredit the feat or say other people could probably do that too when they haven't doesn't make it any less impressive.

Originally posted by aztec
Diana happens to be one of the few hero's who can stop the Flash, she's done so in the past.

Originally posted by aztec
The whole point of a versus forum, is to prove who can defeat who with logical reasoning and proof.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?

When did I say I was ignoring her speed? I'm familiar with how fast Diana is. I've read every seen you've mentioned (The issue with Power Girl was more of a skill showing rather than a speed one I'd argue). I just don't think she operates at the levels she would need to beat this team anywhere near the majority.

She'd have to fight as if a poster was controlling her to win here. Character's fight at competent levels, but CIS is still in play. It's the reason why I rarely mention the God Blast despite Thor having used it like 6 times.

You could argue that facing such odds, would place Diana in an extreme mindset, forcing her to fight far outside the norm, but that's about it.

It sounded like you were ignoring her accomplishments. As for her speed, its been mentioned on multiple occasions that she has faster than light reflexes, and not just in her book. I haven't read all of her apperances, but have seen more than enough to prove that she's capable of taking Flash down.

Diana uses's her speed more often than Thor's Godblast. Trust me, I would know, because I have a couple of trades and old issues on the big bruiser. 😉

If Flash is using his maximum speed output, I certainly don't think Diana could beat him. Same if Zoom actively wanted her dead. What she did was still incredibly impressive and not possible for many others to pull off, though.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on what? Diana tags people far faster than her based on her skill, her own speed, and decades/centuries/etc of training. Her doing well against super speedsters while blind further drives that point home. Trying to discredit the feat or say other people could probably do that too when they haven't doesn't make it any less impressive.

Speed had NOTHING to do with her tagging Zoom and she admitted this. That was a skill feat. Now let's go to the flash fights that she has had. One that I can remember was when flash was suffering from a virus that was driving him mad. He was blitzing her so fast that the air was turning to fire. These are Wondys words while fighting him... " I am fast, compared to a human, very fast but to Flash, my speed is like a snail, I have to THINK of a way to break his madness". She then time her attack and tag him just like evryone that face the flash.

Nightwing did the same thing to Flash... Flash was running around the Titan headquarters and Nightwing timed where he was going to run to next and rapped him up with a baterang.

Flash doesn't fight in a dbz fashion... he usualy runs in a circle blitzing you or run in a straight line.

I know Diana is fast but Jake fast, hell no.

diana shouldn't be able to win flash under normal circumstances, but she's still too fast for this team to counter.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I think you are vastly underestimating Diana.

Aztec: There's very little that can stop Flash if he's not jobbing or holding back. But yes, Diana has tagged him. She operates in that ballpark.

Dont forget to mention Amazo and Cheetah. They both posses superspeed. They've also manhandle Wally before. Also, in Final Crisis, Barry acknowledges Diana's speed/reflexes. When he was running alongside Wally, when all of a sudden a spear almost hit him. He was impressive by the warrior, not knowing it was Diana.

Oh yeah, Diana also attacked the Shaggyman at match 4. It's not as impressive as her other instances, but still a worthy feat. (During Morrison's run)

Originally posted by carver9
Speed had NOTHING to do with her tagging Zoom and she admitted this. That was a skill feat. Now let's go to the flash fights that she has had. One that I can remember was when flash was suffering from a virus that was driving him mad. He was blitzing her so fast that the air was turning to fire. These are Wondys words while fighting him... " I am fast, compared to a human, very fast but to Flash, my speed is like a snail, I have to THINK of a way to break his madness". She then time her attack and tag him just like evryone that face the flash.

Nightwing did the same thing to Flash... Flash was running around the Titan headquarters and Nightwing timed where he was going to run to next and rapped him up with a baterang.

Flash doesn't fight in a dbz fashion... he usualy runs in a circle blitzing you or run in a straight line.

I know Diana is fast but Jake fast, hell no.

If Diana didn't have her own measure of superspeed, she wouldn't fare nearly as well, let's be honest. It's also backed up by when she fights other speedsters such as Cheetah or teleporters like Genocide or flying super fast bricks such as Superman, Captain Marvel, Power Girl, etc. She has levels of speed and skill to high degrees that no one matches on the team. Having one or the other is great. Having both is superb.

Great for Nightwing. Diana's skill/speed feats eclipse his.

I didn't say he does fight in DBZ fashion. Being fast enough to react to either or is still impressive considering his speed output on bad days in the comic world.

She's not Flash level speed. I certainly didn't claim this. But she's still faster and more skilled than anyone present as a whole.

based on feats alone barry or wally are both faster than wondy. not sure about barry but wally can definitely beat wondy

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If Flash is using his maximum speed output, I certainly don't think Diana could beat him. Same if Zoom actively wanted her dead. What she did was still incredibly impressive and not possible for many others to pull off, though.

All Diana, needs is one punch. This is where you and I disagree. 😛

Still, nice avatar. Any trade suggestions would be helpful. 😄

Originally posted by aztec
All Diana, needs is one punch. This is where you and I disagree. 😛

Still, nice avatar. Any trade suggestions would be helpful. 😄

If flash doesn't want her hitting him, its not happening. He is leagues above her in the speed dept.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... she tagged Zoom and Flash. I can't even count anymore on how many people that has actually tagged Flash type people. Hell, I feel safe to say that if all of these peeps that re going against Wondy was in DC, they would tag flash also.

Its just how it is.

Lol... she tagged Amazo... an amazo that was getting his leg sawed off with a lazer from Batman. Flash admitted during his fight with Amazo that if he didn't steal his speed from Amazo, Amazo would have killed the Justice League (including Diana since she was in the room when he said this) before they got their next thought off.

Which makes the speed feat impressive. 😕

Batman sawing Amazo's leg *sigh*..... Read more Batman comics, then we'll talk. 😱

Originally posted by aztec
All Diana, needs is one punch. This is where you and I disagree. 😛

Still, nice avatar. Any trade suggestions would be helpful. 😄

Yeah, but it's extremely unlikely she'll land that one punch if Wally is operating at maximum levels. I find it more plausible she'll tag him in a comic than in a forum setting. But no shame in disagreeing. 👆

Thanks! Well, all of my Mar-Vell stuff is in issue format so I don't know of any trades off hand; they should have them, though. Obviously "Death of Captain Marvel" is a must.