Wonder Woman vs team

Originally posted by marwash22
lolwut? that's just not true.

that's understood. We're supposed to use showings/stats/scans/etc, to show how one character can beat another; but we're not supposed to change the way a character fights. For example, you can't just say Johnny would immediately go nova in a forum fight because he never does that in comics. Again, the only way i see that being legit is if the OP says "bloodlust is on" or something of that nature.

I'm entitle to my opinion, as are you. I stand with the notion, that Diana is one of the few characters that can stop Flash.

As Jake mentioned, all characters are fighting at the best of their abilities... Bloodlusted, on the other hand means she would kill them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, but it's extremely unlikely she'll land that one punch if Wally is operating at maximum levels. I find it more plausible she'll tag him in a comic than in a forum setting. But no shame in disagreeing. 👆

Thanks! Well, all of my Mar-Vell stuff is in issue format so I don't know of any trades off hand; they should have them, though. Obviously "Death of Captain Marvel" is a must.

They'll both be operating at maximum levels. Wally wouldn't be the only one. 😛

Cool, thanks. I'm definately going to pick it up. I've been wanting to read more on Captain Mar-Vell, after reading his tie in on Secret Invasion.

Originally posted by aztec
It sounded like you were ignoring her accomplishments. As for her speed, its been mentioned on multiple occasions that she has faster than light reflexes, and not just in her book. I haven't read all of her apperances, but have seen more than enough to prove that she's capable of taking Flash down.

Diana uses's her speed more often than Thor's Godblast. Trust me, I would know, because I have a couple of trades and old issues on the big bruiser. 😉

Why would I do that? I don't think it's been mentioned a single time that she has faster than light reflexes. I've never seen it at least. She does however have some impressive speed feats. She can tag the Flash, but if we're going to have Diana fighting like you do, we have to apply the same out of character mindset to Wally, which would be a stomp in his favor. It would be a feat if she caught a glimpse of him as he beats her to death.

Using speed and doing what she would need to do to beat this team are very different things.

Is Thor not easily the superior character? 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why would I do that? I don't think it's been mentioned a single time that she has faster than light reflexes. I've never seen it at least. She does however have some impressive speed feats. She can tag the Flash, but if we're going to have Diana fighting like you do, we have to apply the same out of character mindset to Wally, which would be a stomp in his favor. It would be a feat if she caught a glimpse of him as he beats her to death.

Using speed and doing what she would need to do to beat this team are very different things.

Is Thor not easily the superior character? 🙂

Once again, all Diana needs is one hit. If their both going all out, she'll eventually tag him.

I consider myself a Thor fan, but next to Diana he's just an ordinary asgardian. 😛.. I've got a couple trades from him (Secret Invasion, some from Simonson and JMS).. Silver Surfer essentials (1st rumble), and individual issues.. I would mentioned WW's, but their too many too count 😄

Originally posted by aztec
I'm entitle to my opinion, as are you. I stand with the notion, that Diana is one of the few characters that can stop Flash.

OMG... how is Wonder Woman tagging someone that was moving so fast that Superman was a statue? If Superman can't even get a glimpse of a all going out Flash, Wonder Woman isn't seeing let alone touching him. Flash could hit her a thousand times before she even realize the bell rung and continue with his blitz while she isn't even moving a muscle due to flash moving far above her.

By the way aztex, there isn't a single scan stating that Wonder Woman is a light speedster, you are making up stuff.

She's got the feats to say she is lightspeed, quit lowballing.

Not saying she's Flash level - she's not - but her blocking the omni-directional blast from the Shattered God is a lightspeed feat, for one.

Originally posted by aztec
I'm entitle to my opinion, as are you. I stand with the notion, that Diana is one of the few characters that can stop Flash.

As Jake mentioned, all characters are fighting at the best of their abilities... Bloodlusted, on the other hand means she would kill them.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not saying she's Flash level - she's not - but her blocking the omni-directional blast from the Shattered God is a lightspeed feat, for one.

I agree with that... name another one.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with that... name another one.

The Jesse Quick instance and no, I don't think Diana can access the Speed Force under her own volition as that is absurd. But being able to stay behind her and pull Jesse back, who was going light speed as I read it, requires upwards of that level of speed to even stay right behind her.

It was because she was attached to Jesse that she could entered the Speed Force. That's the only logical explanation. Non Speed Force users can't access that dimension. Even what Diana did was iffy at best.

From what I remember Jesse hit light speed, and entered the Speed Force.

Originally posted by aztec
Once again, all Diana needs is one hit. If their both going all out, she'll eventually tag him.

I consider myself a Thor fan, but next to Diana he's just an ordinary asgardian. 😛.. I've got a couple trades from him (Secret Invasion, some from Simonson and JMS).. Silver Surfer essentials (1st rumble), and individual issues.. I would mentioned WW's, but their too many too count 😄

She'd need more than one hit definitely. When Wally goes super fast, he gets some pretty incredible superhuman durability. A fact a lot of writers seem to forget. And no, she isn't touching Wally. She'd be lucky to be able to even see Wally. Diana's fast and hard to beat, but if we want to start comparing notes/feats, she'll go down hard to Wally.

Blasphemy. You should get the entire Simonson's run if you want some good Thor stories. There are also some nice miniseries, one shots etc. Gillen's run recently was good. Don't waste your money on Fraction's.

Originally posted by carver9
OMG... how is Wonder Woman tagging someone that was moving so fast that Superman was a statue? If Superman can't even get a glimpse of a all going out Flash, Wonder Woman isn't seeing let alone touching him. Flash could hit her a thousand times before she even realize the bell rung and continue with his blitz while she isn't even moving a muscle due to flash moving far above her.

By the way aztex, there isn't a single scan stating that Wonder Woman is a light speedster, you are making up stuff.

Your right, I'm making things up. Maybe, you should ignore me. 😕

Originally posted by marwash22
true. Though, it's not really a matter of opinion, is it? Wally is faster than her, by a wide margin... it's not up for debate. She is in no way "stopping him" from doing anything.

I'm not saying she's faster than him, but that she can take him out with one hit.

No, she can't.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was because she was attached to Jesse that she could entered the Speed Force. That's the only logical explanation. Non Speed Force users can't access that dimension. Even what Diana did was iffy at best.

From what I remember Jesse hit light speed, and entered the Speed Force.

Yeah, Diana's not hitting into the SF by herself. I've seen some posters use that scan as proof she can which is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as Superman Speed Force dumping people, which...yeah. Lol.

Lassoing Jesse as she's entering the SF would require reflexes on par to compensate for that kind of speed if Diana wasn't moving at that speed herself.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was because she was attached to Jesse that she could entere the Speed Force. That's the only logical explaniation. Non Speed Force users can't access that dimension. Even what Diana did was iffy at best.

From what I remembe Jesse hit light speed, and entered the Speed Force.

She'd need more than one hit definitely. When Wally goes super fast, he gets pretty incredible superhuman durability. And no, she isn't touching Wally. She'd be lucky to be able to even see Wally. Diana's fast and hard to beat, but if we want to start comparing notes/feats, she'll go down hard to Wally.

Blasphemy. You should get the entire Simonson's run if you want some good Thor stories. There are also some nice miniseries, one shots etc. Gillen's run recently was good. Don't waste your money on Fraction's.

I'm not saying Diana is faster than Wally, but that she can take him out. In hypotethical woman, Wally was under Starro's control and trying to kill Diana. He was attacking her from all angles, and hitting her on multiple occasions. Inevitably, she landed a blow and knock him on his a**. Wally, was unable to get up afterwards. She taught, he killed him.

I buy what I can afford, haha.. I would buy more Thor trades, but I'm behind on my reading, and I'd rather read more on Superman, or Wonder Woman. 😄.. As for Marvel, i'm mostly an Xmen reader. They have a close place to my heart, because of the animated cartoon. 😛

Originally posted by aztec
I'm not saying Diana is faster than Wally, but that she can take him out. In hypotethical woman, Wally was under Starro's control and trying to kill Diana. He was attacking her from all angles, and hitting her on multiple occasions. Inevitably, she landed a blow and knock him on his a**. Wally, was unable to get up afterwards. She taught, he killed him.

No, she really can't. She'd be like a statue frozen in time. I know that scene. It doesn't matter. It's like what happens in 95% of his appearances: Wally's abilities are forgotten or toned down. You're listing Diana's higher end showings. If I do the same for Wally, it's simply not a contest. It is what it is.

Wasn't it also outright stated that the Starro lacked the experience and/or control that Wally had of his abilities? I recall someone mentioning that. It would be a more satisfactory answer.

Writers have to tone him down or ignore his shown capabilities to write stories involving him that don't end in moments. I've seen writers outright admit it.

Originally posted by aztec
I buy what I can afford, haha.. I would buy more Thor trades, but I'm behind on my reading, and I'd rather read more on Superman, or Wonder Woman. 😄.. As for Marvel, i'm mostly an Xmen reader. They have a close place to my heart, because of the animated cartoon. 😛

True, money's tight nowadays. Why would you waste your money on Diana or Superman when you can read about Thor? ❌

😛

How's she going to take out Sinister?

Originally posted by TheTyrant
How's she going to take out Sinister?

Lasso, tiara, Aegis bracers.