Bat Girl (cassie) vs Punisher

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Niether one of these attributes has caused individuals to remain untouched by Punisher. fact.

So pretending that she faster and more skilled h2h fighter makes her win, is flawed logic. Especially when combating an individual who routinely fights people with the same such advantages plus there stronger and more then holds his own.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Q posted the pics a while. It's in her respect thread. He wasn't able to land much blows, even though eventually he would have beaten her. But Punisher is no DS. He has crazy damage soak, but not the healing.

NW did just fine against her. There was also another fight were he wasn't trying his best and Cassie had trouble reading him.

Originally posted by Deadline
NW did just fine against her. There was also another fight were he wasn't trying his best and Cassie had trouble reading him.

Nah, Cass looked the better and it was hardly a fight to begin with. It was brief and didn't show much.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Nah, Cass looked the better and it was hardly a fight to begin with. It was brief and didn't show much.

I don't know about that..anyway..

There was also another fight were he wasn't trying his best and Cassie had trouble reading him.

Doesn't prove shes better than Daredevil anyway.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know about that..anyway..

There was also another fight were he wasn't trying his best and Cassie had trouble reading him.

Yes, the TT incident. Like I said before, DS would get the majority over Cass, but the fight would be long. Their first encounter showed this.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, no one's pretending anything. Cassie is faster in general and the more skilled fighter. Not because I want her to be, but because she is. The majority accepts this. A pathetic few simply can't come to grips with it.

Only thing pathetic is your inability to grasp what were debating, instead of blinding ignoring it, and pretending were arguing things were not.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yes, the TT incident. Like I said before, DS would get the majority over Cass, but the fight would be long. Their first encounter showed this.

I did an edit.

Originally posted by Deadline
I don't know about that..anyway..

There was also another fight were he wasn't trying his best and Cassie had trouble reading him.

Doesn't prove shes better than Daredevil anyway.

IMO, I think Cass is slightly better than DD, but overall, I call it a tossup. Here are the NW scans.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14005.jpg

Originally posted by Prep-Man
But Punisher is no DS. He has crazy damage soak, but not the healing.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
naw, she utilizes a lot less. She pretty much has a batman like suit, batranges and some smoke pellets, asside from that she rarely uses anything out side h2h.

OK I've been doing some reading on Cassie, I would say that she's faster and better in hand to hand than Frank but her equipment is basic compared to batman and she doesn't seem to use it that much.

She also seems to have a pretty good damage soak of her own from what I read.

So in the New York City Scenario, I think her speed combined with cover and smoke pellets let's her close with Frank and that she can beat him hand to hand, I would give it to her 7/10 based on Frank taking a few with sheer dirty fighting and taking a lot of punishment and refusing to stay down.

Scenario two favors Frank and his ranged weapons advantage, it's going to be much harder for her to dodge and close with him in a featureless Environment, so I would give Frank the majority 7/10 in that instance.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
IMO, I think Cass is slightly better than DD, but overall, I call it a tossup. Here are the NW scans.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14005.jpg

Originally posted by BigSid
OK I've been doing some reading on Cassie, I would say that she's faster and better in hand to hand than Frank but her equipment is basic compared to batman and she doesn't seem to use it that much.

She also seems to have a pretty good damage soak of her own from what I read.

So in the New York City Scenario, I think her speed combined with cover and smoke pellets let's her close with Frank and that she can beat him hand to hand, I would give it to her 7/10 based on Frank taking a few with sheer dirty fighting and taking a lot of punishment and refusing to stay down.

Scenario two favors Frank and his ranged weapons advantage, it's going to be much harder for her to dodge and close with him in a featureless Environment, so I would give Frank the majority 7/10 in that instance.

I basically agree with this.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Here the problem champ. Were not saying she not, were saying it does not equate to her wining. She can and will still get hit. The hits landed on her will be more damaging then the hits Punisher takes comparatively. He has more weapons and items to utilizes and is more often ready to use such weapons and tactics. The fact she faster and more skilled does not mean she wins.

Only thing pathetic is your inability to grasp what were debating, instead of blinding ignoring it, and pretending were arguing things were not.

Originally posted by BigSid
OK I've been doing some reading on Cassie, I would say that she's faster and better in hand to hand than Frank but her equipment is basic compared to batman and she doesn't seem to use it that much.

She also seems to have a pretty good damage soak of her own from what I read.

So in the New York City Scenario, I think her speed combined with cover and smoke pellets let's her close with Frank and that she can beat him hand to hand, I would give it to her 7/10 based on Frank taking a few with sheer dirty fighting and taking a lot of punishment and refusing to stay down.

Scenario two favors Frank and his ranged weapons advantage, it's going to be much harder for her to dodge and close with him in a featureless Environment, so I would give Frank the majority 7/10 in that instance.

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, no one's pretending anything. Cassie is faster in general and the more skilled fighter. Not because I want her to be, but because she is. The majority accepts this. A pathetic few simply can't come to grips with it.

I'm going to try one last time. Punisher has gone up against opponents faster than Cassie and who are highly skilled, her speed isn't enough to give her an advantage. Shes a better martial artist but she may not neccesarily be a better fighter, again the skill gap maybe greater but it's not enough. Otherwise people like DD, Deadpool, Daken and Kraven The Hunter would wipe the floor with him.

Oh and Kraven has beaten Black Panther, a guy who has comparable skills to Cap and is enhanced as well.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm going to try one last time. Punisher has gone up against opponents faster than Cassie and who are highly skilled, her speed isn't enough to give her an advantage. Shes a better martial artist but she may not neccesarily be a better fighter, again the skill gap maybe greater but it's not enough. Otherwise people like DD, Deadpool, Daken and Kraven The Hunter would wipe the floor with him.

Oh and Kraven has beaten Black Panther, a guy who has comparable skills to Cap and is enhanced as well.

So, do you think pun will win in a hth fight?

Originally posted by namorsubby
lol, well I say she wins due to these advantages, and I'm not alone. Seeing as she's the more adept fighter her blows most likely will be precise and meant to disable......especially if she knows how dangerous he is. Her being faster and more skilled equates to more opportunities to land hits.....and she'll make them count.

Punisher is not subjected to pure h2h, he has range options as well as options with radius attack such as grenades

Originally posted by Prep-Man
So, do you think pun will win in a hth fight?

Yeah I do, the guy held his own against Daken with a broken leg (and other wounds), stalemated a guy who beat Black Panther after going through a gauntlet of supervillains. Hes too tough and its not just hes toughness hes highly skilled. Hell the guy got the advantage over Deadpool.

Shes not tougher than DD why should I give her the majority?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
IMO, I think Cass is slightly better than DD, but overall, I call it a tossup. Here are the NW scans.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14003.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/BatmanOutsiders14005.jpg

That fight is long enough to show that NW can hold his own or even beat Cassie, that doesn't help your case.

NW didn't beat Cass there.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
NW didn't beat Cass there.

I know, I didn't say he did.