Originally posted by TricksterPriest
****ing Mcduffie wrote that story, and as previously stated, he was writing Superman down. Using mcduffie to prove your arguement is idiotic.
Is this directed at me?
If so, I'm of the opinion that using that feat to try to downplay or otherwise show Superman in a negative light is ridiculous to begin with.
You don't have to lowball either Hulk or Superman to come to the conclusion they're peers in pure physical strength.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
people just need to chill the fu*k outwhen it comes to superman vs any other titans of strength, it's his speed that is the main factor imo, not his physical strength stacking up to theirs (unless it's like wonder woman or someone lower than that)
Pretty much.
It's everything else that makes up the package of Superman as a character that gives him the win (or loss as it may be) instead of pure physical strength when he's dealing with beings of top tier strength factors.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hulk isn't on that level. That's the whole point. He is NOT a peer of Superman.
In terms of just physical strength or as a total sum of his parts?
Because I don't really see how you can argue that Hulk at his angriest/strongest isn't even in his general league of strength.
Like I said before and I am going to say again. A weak a** Hulk held a planet TWICE THE SIZE of Earth together with NOTHING BUT BRUTE STRENGTH. He did this while weakened while doing this. I can't THINK of a Herald that has done anything close to this, especially while weakened (it was wwh).
He has matched 100 trillion tons of force... etc, etc. Trick, you are being RIDICULOUS. It debatable if Supes is stronger than Savage Hulk, someone who has matched Thor strength wise while increasing in power... now you are saying that he is stronger than one of the most powerful incarnations of the Hulks... something is wrong with you.
As for punching power vs collateral damage. Hulk has that beat by miles.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankEither. Hulk's strongest is superman's off days. Superman's average far exceeds Hulk. Superman has gone toes with SBP. Hulk even at his strongest, would never be able to take a single punch from SBP or hurt him.
In terms of just physical strength or as a total sum of his parts?Because I don't really see how you can argue that Hulk at his angriest/strongest isn't even in his general league of strength.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Either. Hulk's strongest is superman's off days. Superman's average far exceeds Hulk. Superman has gone toes with SBP. Hulk even at his strongest, would never be able to take a single punch from SBP or hurt him.
...That's pretty damn extreme, man. 😬
Considering people like Conner and Bart have hurt Prime, you're seriously mistaken in the belief that Hulk couldn't hurt him. Prime's actually pretty easy to hurt, all things considered, (barring magic) and easy even to cause him to bleed; his durability isn't the stuff of legends. It's his damage soak, his ability to keep on ticking and endure punishment that keeps him around. Hurting Prime isn't that hard. Hurting him enough to KO him or kill him is another thing. And considering who has taken punches from Prime, Hulk would be able to do the same and heal from his injuries. Note that I'm not saying Hulk would defeat Prime - in my opinion, he would not - but to act like Hulk can't even hurt him...
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...That's pretty damn extreme, man. 😬Considering people like Conner and Bart have hurt Prime, you're seriously mistaken in the belief that Hulk couldn't hurt him. Prime's actually pretty easy to hurt (barring magic) and even cause him to bleed; his durability isn't the stuff of legends. It's his damage soak that keeps him around. Hurting Prime isn't that hard. Hurting him enough to KO him or kill him is another thing. And considering who has taken punches from Prime, Hulk would be able to do the same and heal from his injuries. Note that I'm not saying Hulk would defeat Prime - in my opinion, he would not - but to act like Hulk can't even hurt him...
How about I point out that every time Hulk has tried to brawl with people out of his weight class, he's been curbstomped?
Dumb Drax: Stomped. Granted, Dumb Drax was using the power gem, so maybe a bad example. Although, Gamora was able to hurt him, so why not Hulk? 😛
Thanos: Bitched.
Silver Surfer: Stomped.
Zeus: WTFPWNED.
Gladiator: Losing until PIS involving nuclear radiation weakened Gladiator.
Void: Broke every god damn bone in his body.
Apocalypse: Not out of his tier, but then, Apoc is always lowballed. Still choked him out though.
My position is not extreme in the least. Superman's average, and best far exceed anything the Hulk has done. I have yet to see a single Hulk feat based on strength that Superman could not replicate.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
How about I point out that every time Hulk has tried to brawl with people out of his weight class, he's been curbstomped?Dumb Drax: Stomped. Granted, Dumb Drax was using the power gem, so maybe a bad example. Although, Gamora was able to hurt him, so why not Hulk? 😛
Thanos: Bitched.
Silver Surfer: Stomped.
Zeus: WTFPWNED.
Gladiator: Losing until PIS involving nuclear radiation weakened Gladiator.
Void: Broke every god damn bone in his body.
Apocalypse: Not out of his tier, but then, Apoc is always lowballed. Still choked him out though.
My position is not extreme in the least. Superman's average, and best far exceed anything the Hulk has done. I have yet to see a single Hulk feat based on strength that Superman could not replicate.
What exactly does any of this prove aside from a flat out refusal to acknowledge what most people view as pretty standard information? You're seriously contending that Hulk's physical strength is far and below that of Superman's own, even at his angriest and most powerful. And you also believe that if Hulk doesn't have any feats which clearly surpass Superman's, that must mean that Hulk isn't in his class at all and would be one-shot by Superman as a result.
The idea that :
A.) Hulk isn't a peer to Superman in terms of strength
B.) Superman would one shot Hulk
C.) Hulk has to clearly surpass Superman in terms of feats instead of simply being strong enough to fight him
- is pretty much the definition of extreme. I believe to start off with, Superman is stronger than Hulk, but not to such a massive and uncanny degree that he would one-shot the Hulk. Feats from both of them support this being the case.
Originally posted by carver9
Like I said before and I am going to say again. A weak a** Hulk held a planet TWICE THE SIZE of Earth together with NOTHING BUT BRUTE STRENGTH. He did this while weakened while doing this. I can't THINK of a Herald that has done anything close to this, especially while weakened (it was wwh).He has matched 100 trillion tons of force... etc, etc. Trick, you are being RIDICULOUS. It debatable if Supes is stronger than Savage Hulk, someone who has matched Thor strength wise while increasing in power... now you are saying that he is stronger than one of the most powerful incarnations of the Hulks... something is wrong with you.
As for punching power vs collateral damage. Hulk has that beat by miles.
Those things are insects compared to what Superman has done. Holding a planet together? Matching 100 trillion tons of force? That's not even planetary.
Hulk is a peer to Superman only if he is angry enough. But certainly not in the beginning, nor on average. Look at what happened to WWH when he got hit by Hercules with only a few blows. A bloodlusted Superman would do FAR WORST with his blows.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
i love it how some superman fans are quick to pass a hulk feat as "PIS".he doesnt accept hulk destroying a planet twice the size of earth
yet brings up a feat of superman lifting a black hole 😬
Superman has tons of feats on that level.
The asteroid feat is Hulk's greatest ever and it's still not enough (even if it wasn't PIS). Now feat he has done even comes close. It is so clear that it was PIS though.