Originally posted by quanchi112If you have a scan that states that thanos is the supreme being, and its not stated by thanos himself then I will concede.
If I can put up a scan where it's stated will you promise to play in the bakc yard and avoid the forum for a month ?
But since thanos stated he was tricked by the supreme being....not gonna happen.
Originally posted by Black bolt zSo you who is going to state it then jim starlin ? Do you need someone else to convey the simple mechanics of the plot since you think Thanos is lying about being supreme ? Let's take this a step further was there even a problem with reality or was that just another Thanos induced lie so the writer can toy with the reader's emotions.
If you have a scan that states that thanos is the supreme being, and its not stated by thanos himself then I will concede.But since thanos stated he was tricked by the supreme being....not gonna happen.
Originally posted by quanchi112Thanos just isn't a credible source when talking about himself.
So you who is going to state it then jim starlin ? Do you need someone else to convey the simple mechanics of the plot since you think Thanos is lying about being supreme ? Let's take this a step further was there even a problem with reality or was that just another Thanos induced lie so the writer can toy with the reader's emotions.
He seems to gloat alot in case you haven't noticed.
Originally posted by Black bolt zHe was credible when he saved reality. He's credible when he stoes massive amounts of energy. We see him see the universe however he wants but sure kid the writer lied numerous times about him being supreme and should have drawn jim starlin stating it to help you out.
Thanos just isn't a credible source when talking about himself.He seems to gloat alot in case you haven't noticed.
He also seems to solve problems/understand stuff if you know what I mean. I can't help it if you don't grasp the intent of the writer.
Originally posted by Black bolt zAt the time the writer did intend it as well and then when he discovers another power source more powerful than that makes sense too.
You mean like when he said he was completely god when he had the IG?Or when he said he was god when he had the cosmic cube?
Yeah hes credible when he has lots of energy 🙄
Uhm, defeating Lt, Celestials, Eternity, Infinity without even budging from their attacks supports he is supreme.
But enough with all that who is more powerful than Thanos disproving his claim to supremacy in this story.
Originally posted by Prep-ManExcept nothing has ever stated the presence's actions or lucy's to be canon to the dcu. Didio has also explained most characters actions are to mature for the dcu so unless you have any solid reason why it's canon it isn't since you have absolutely nothing other than you really want it to be so. Good thing didio agrees with me. C'e la vie. 🙂
i would also agree. We have a bunch of Vertigo characters crossing over and probably more to come.
Originally posted by quanchi112
At the time the writer did intend it as well and then when he discovers another power source more powerful than that makes sense too.Uhm, defeating Lt, Celestials, Eternity, Infinity without even budging from their attacks supports he is supreme.
But enough with all that who is more powerful than Thanos disproving his claim to supremacy in this story.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Except nothing has ever stated the presence's actions or lucy's to be canon to the dcu. Didio has also explained most characters actions are to mature for the dcu so unless you have any solid reason why it's canon it isn't since you have absolutely nothing other than you really want it to be so. Good thing didio agrees with me. C'e la vie. 🙂
Except that the comics he's supposed to be in command of contradict him. On several occasions.
Quan, have you posted your proof that Thanos was "supreme" yet?
Originally posted by King KandyYes, he was god in that universe but Lt is outside that universe.
No, Starlin never intended him to be God in IG (since the LT was above him). He just claimed to be God because of his very high level of power.
Originally posted by -Pr-What comics contradict this ? didio has even stated constantine has two versions so even characters coming over aren't all canon. If there's no proof lucy's canon then it isn't. You can't make exceptions without any proof.
Except that the comics he's supposed to be in command of contradict him. On several occasions.Quan, have you posted your proof that Thanos was "supreme" yet?
Why do I have to post proof ? I have posted more than enough proof in this thread.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he was god in that universe but Lt is outside that universe.What comics contradict this ? didio has even stated constantine has two versions so even characters coming over aren't all canon. If there's no proof lucy's canon then it isn't. You can't make exceptions without any proof.
Why do I have to post proof ? I have posted more than enough proof in this thread.
constantine =/= every vertigo character.
So you have posted proof, then? Because there seems to be a mountain of clear opposition.
Originally posted by -Pr-Never said he did but until you can prove every character coming into dcu makes all their vertigo actions canon then you have to do it case by case. That simple.
constantine =/= every vertigo character.So you have posted proof, then? Because there seems to be a mountain of clear opposition.
People say presence wins based on presence being supreme. No real proof as to how he can win. I don't want to keep filling up with my photobucket with this stuff. It's stated numerous times he was supreme. His actions also proved it by crushing the Lt, Eternity, and Infinity like non threats.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Never said he did but until you can prove every character coming into dcu makes all their vertigo actions canon then you have to do it case by case. That simple.People say presence wins based on presence being supreme. No real proof as to how he can win. I don't want to keep filling up with my photobucket with this stuff. It's stated numerous times he was supreme. His actions also proved it by crushing the Lt, Eternity, and Infinity like non threats.
actually you would have to prove that they're seperate from their vertigo incarnations.
people have posted scans. i know, i've seen them. you say you've posted some of your own, so i must have missed them.
stated by who? himself? narration? what?
and even if he was supreme, how would he beat a supreme being? at that level they'd just cancel one another out.
Originally posted by -Pr-How could you miss my scans that I put up ? I even put up some up for you.
actually you would have to prove that they're seperate from their vertigo incarnations.people have posted scans. i know, i've seen them. you say you've posted some of your own, so i must have missed them.
stated by who? himself? narration? what?
and even if he was supreme, how would he beat a supreme being? at that level they'd just cancel one another out.
Didio has stated they aren't canon but i fhe later decides to make something canon he does. He also hasn't made constantine canon to the dcu. Vertigo is very mature and of course whenever the chance presents itself to make a buck you can have characters jumping over but that doesn't make lucifer canon when it's never been referenced ever as canon to the dcu other than his appearances in the dcu.
Stated by himself as a means to explain the story. His actions also made it clear he was supreme.
I never have believed two supreme beings are equal. To me that's a cop out. If you take one supreme being from one planet and take another from another planet are they equal or is one just mightier ?
Originally posted by -Pr-
actually you would have to prove that they're seperate from their vertigo incarnations.
Although I think Presence wins, Quan is (now at least) right about the whole Vertigo actions being non canon, seeing as in a recent interview on CBR Didio said that the Swamp Thing/Constantine in the mainstream DCU are seperate characters to their Vertigo counter parts, meaning that the events within the Vertgioverse are seperate to that of the main DCU.
Although tbf that could depend on scale, considering The Endless were shown to be multiversal (even in JLA before IC and the 52, Dream called the mainstream DCU a 'little universe'😉 and Lucifer created his own multiverse etc
It's still not completely clear, but on some level at least, events in Vertigoverse =/= Mainstream DCU