HOTU vs. The Presence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
His power was taken and Cronus couldn't handle it. The writer clearly portrayed this. Thanos has handled supreme power on panel. Logically then Thanos can handle this power which was just a majority of the godwave.

Not anyone but someone on panel who has survived supreme power and mastered it due to willpower. 🙂 I back up my case. I am not saying spiderman can do it I am saying someone with Thanos' history and he's already done it. He's done one better than just taking the majority of the godwave.

I don't argue writer's in versus debates. Every character has different versions as there are many writers. Now we lump them all together and we can use losses as a way to debate how these characters get beaten. It'd be like arguing Thor and you ignoring every Thor loss or manner of defeat which you are doing here.

Thanos was supreme and never in the story was this even alluded to. You have no evidence to support these wild theories you just keep typing things. There's no proof he could have taken his power back since Thanos was the supreme being so if it's your claim he could have then prove it. I don't have to disprove your claims you have to first prove them.

Thanos survived and found the loophole. He saved all of reality. Thanos in this versus battle beats the presence with ease. Easily.

No has handled the Presence's power that the presence has not directly allowed. That is the point that we both proved.

It's not just the majority of the godwave, it's the supreme being of the DCU. Thanos will fail. The Presence will be fighting back as this is a forum battle.

If you don't want me to argue writers then maybe you shouldn't have brought them up. So if we're using losses and previous showing, then Presence just outsmarts Thanos just like TOAA did or any supreme being would for that matter. Or he just beats him outright because he is above creation and thanos only has the power of one.

Well first you have to prove anything that you have said thus far, which isn't much. You just repeat yourself, and even that gets more and more contradictory as you continue. You can stop now if you want.

Thanos lost the power. So no, he didn't find a loophole. In fact, he stated otherwise. In a versus battle, Presence beats thanos.

Originally posted by Sirius77
No has handled the Presence's power that the presence has not directly allowed. That is the point that we both proved.

It's not just the majority of the godwave, it's the supreme being of the DCU. Thanos will fail. The Presence will be fighting back as this is a forum battle.

If you don't want me to argue writers then maybe you shouldn't have brought them up. So if we're using losses and previous showing, then Presence just outsmarts Thanos just like TOAA did or any supreme being would for that matter. Or he just beats him outright because he is above creation and thanos only has the power of one.

Well first you have to prove anything that you have said thus far, which isn't much. You just repeat yourself, and even that gets more and more contradictory as you continue. You can stop now if you want.

Thanos lost the power. So no, he didn't find a loophole. In fact, he stated otherwise. In a versus battle, Presence beats thanos.

This writer deemed it the majority of the godwave. Morrion deemed it everything in reality yet nothing at the same time. You can't find the presence anywhere particularly but he exists in all of creation.

I am not arguing writers you tried steering the convo in that direction falsely saying the writer was in marvel's the end. Wrong.

Thanos was outsmarted before he became all powerful and all knowing. Thanos wasn't outsmarted/defeated by anyone with this power.

You can't back up these claims. None of them. Just wishful thinking while Thanos can absorb the presence's power or absorb creation. Take your pick.

Thanos did find a loophole meaning he survived. Try reading the comic before you make another erroneous statement. I am beginning to wonder if you even read it.

Thanos wins, easily.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Cronus did right on panel. He couldn't handle it. Thanos can.

This writer deemed it the majority of the godwave. Morrion deemed it everything in reality yet nothing at the same time. You can't find the presence anywhere particularly but he exists in all of creation.

I am not arguing writers you tried steering the convo in that direction falsely saying the writer was in marvel's the end. Wrong.

Thanos was outsmarted before he became all powerful and all knowing. Thanos wasn't outsmarted/defeated by anyone with this power.

You can't back up these claims. None of them. Just wishful thinking while Thanos can absorb the presence's power or absorb creation. Take your pick.

Thanos did find a loophole meaning he survived. Try reading the comic before you make another erroneous statement. I am beginning to wonder if you even read it.

Thanos wins, easily.

Lol, you literally just got shut up by a scan storm that kevdude posted concerning that. He didn't take the presence's power. He touched it and was overwhelmed. So again, which is it? Did he steal it or fail to quan? Make up your mind lol.

Except for the fact that he is stated by multiple writers to exist outside of the creation that he created.

Lol, it was stated by thanos himself when he referenced the fact that the supreme being tricked him. Who do you think he was talking about, squirrel girl?

If thanos was truly supreme, then something as simple as space/ time would not be an issue for him. Thus it would not matter if TOAA tricked him before or after his ascention. He would simply know, being supreme and thus omniscient. However, he did not, and he was tricked by his superior. The result will be exactly the same when facing the Presence, except worse, because the Presence will not be toying with him.

Yes I can. It's called common sense. Perhaps you should trade your bias for some.

Oh and yeah thanos did admit it. Here's Rotiart's scan from another thread. Some loophole. He survived. Good for him. So did Cronus lol.

Originally posted by rotiart

"If He went to all this trouble to ensnare me there will be no way out. Check and mate."

Thanos admits he cannot win against his superior.

The Presence wins this easily, as a creation is nothing to him. Especially when it's power is wielded by someone not competent enough to hold onto it.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Lol, you literally just got shut up by a scan storm that kevdude posted concerning that. He didn't take the presence's power. He touched it and was overwhelmed. So again, which is it? Did he steal it or fail to quan? Make up your mind lol.

Except for the fact that he is stated by multiple writers to exist outside of the creation that he created.

Lol, it was stated by thanos himself when he referenced the fact that the supreme being tricked him. Who do you think he was talking about, squirrel girl?

If thanos was truly supreme, then something as simple as space/ time would not be an issue for him. Thus it would not matter if TOAA tricked him before or after his ascention. He would simply know, being supreme and thus omniscient. However, he did not, and he was tricked by his superior. The result will be [B]exactly the same when facing the Presence, except worse, because the Presence will not be toying with him.

Yes I can. It's called common sense. Perhaps you should trade your bias for some.

Oh and yeah thanos did admit it. Here's Rotiart's scan from another thread. Some loophole. He survived. Good for him. So did Cronus lol.

The Presence wins this easily, as a creation is nothing to him. Especially when it's power is wielded by someone not competent enough to hold onto it. [/B]

When is the presence stated as existing outside of creation ? The presence too mind you not some faulty comparison.

The supreme being isn't the writer. Nowhere is this even implied. Thanos was tricked prior to acquiring this power.

It was stated on panel he was supreme more than once. Now you want to claim he isn't because your definition of supreme is different than this writer's. Wow.

Thanos was tricked into acquiring supreme power because he had no knowledge prior to until he became all knowing.

He thought in this arc he'd have to die but he did find the loophole since he survived.

Surviving while saving all of creation because the supreme being needs you is perhaps the greatest feat out there.

Prove creation is nothing to him.

This boils down to one issue or 2. Does Thanos have the means to defeat the presence with supreme power. I think so and convincingly. You haven't shown anything as to even how the presence wins based off of scans or anything. In fact you keep saying the presence will trick him.

Based off of the presence doing what is there evidence he tricks an all knowing Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What ? It states right on panel he absorbs the power and he was overwhelmed meaning he wasn't adequate to be able to handle this kind of power.

When is the presence stated as existing outside of creation ? The presence too mind you not some faulty comparison.

The supreme being isn't the writer. Nowhere is this even implied. Thanos was tricked prior to acquiring this power.

It was stated on panel he was supreme more than once. Now you want to claim he isn't because your definition of supreme is different than this writer's. Wow.

Thanos was tricked into acquiring supreme power because he had no knowledge prior to until he became all knowing.

He thought in this arc he'd have to die but he did find the loophole since he survived.

Surviving while saving all of creation because the supreme being needs you is perhaps the greatest feat out there.

Prove creation is nothing to him.

This boils down to one issue or 2. Does Thanos have the means to defeat the presence with supreme power. I think so and convincingly. You haven't shown anything as to even how the presence wins based off of scans or anything. In fact you keep saying the presence will trick him.

Based off of the presence doing what is there evidence he tricks an all knowing Thanos ?

Lol, no. He just rambles on about how he's one with everything and how he can feel everything. He just touched the power, he never fully absorbed it.

I already posted the scan.

The supreme being is the writer. That much is clear. I'm sure you, like just about everyone, have read the issue in which the FF see TOAA in the form of the "kirby avatar" writing down everything about them. If there is a "supreme being" in marvel, they showed him there. What other supreme being would there be in marvel except for TOAA unless you're not opposed to making up characters?

It was also stated on pael more than once that he only absorbed a universe if you want to get into it. If he was truly supreme, then space and time would not be an issue for him. It certainly isn't an issue for the Presence or TOAA.

Considering he had "supreme power" it would be kind of pitiful if he didn't, wouldn't you think? The supreme being didn't need him. He was just convenient. It's not that great of a feat. I'm sure he could have chosen someone like Adam Warlock if he wanted, thanos was just more ambitious, but to say that thanos was the only one capable of being chosen is entirely unfounded.

Go back a couple of pages. I just did. The Presence holds it in his hands and is debating on whether or not to wipe it out on a whim. So yeah, creation is nothing to him.

Actually, I keep saying the Presence can trick him. I have also stated multiple times that this is not his only option. Again, this is a forum battle, so the Presence will use his abilities to operate at full capacity. All of his abilities. He transcends creation enough to destroy it on a whim, and thanos has the power of only one. There is literally no reason as to why the Presence wouldn't win.

Based upon the fact that Thanos was not all-knowing considering he had to be educated by Adam Warlock that he even was tricked lol.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Lol, no. He just rambles on about how he's one with everything and how he can feel everything. He just touched the power, he never fully absorbed it.

I already posted the scan.

The supreme being is the writer. That much is clear. I'm sure you, like just about everyone, have read the issue in which the FF see TOAA in the form of the "kirby avatar" writing down everything about them. If there is a "supreme being" in marvel, they showed him there. What other supreme being would there be in marvel except for TOAA unless you're not opposed to making up characters?

It was also stated on pael more than once that he only absorbed a universe if you want to get into it. If he was truly supreme, then space and time would not be an issue for him. It certainly isn't an issue for the Presence or TOAA.

Considering he had "supreme power" it would be kind of pitiful if he didn't, wouldn't you think? The supreme being didn't need him. He was just convenient. It's not that great of a feat. I'm sure he could have chosen someone like Adam Warlock if he wanted, thanos was just more ambitious, but to say that thanos was the only one capable of being chosen is entirely unfounded.

Go back a couple of pages. I just did. The Presence holds it in his hands and is debating on whether or not to wipe it out on a whim. So yeah, creation is nothing to him.

Actually, I keep saying the Presence can trick him. I have also stated multiple times that this is not his only option. Again, this is a forum battle, so the Presence will use his abilities to operate at full capacity. All of his abilities. He transcends creation enough to destroy it on a whim, and thanos has the power of only one. There is literally no reason as to why the Presence wouldn't win.

Based upon the fact that Thanos was not all-knowing considering he had to be educated by Adam Warlock that he even was tricked lol.

Yes, but Thanos says he is looking for the loophole to escape his fate which he does as we see in Thanos' series.

No, it isn't. You have no proof to suggest it was just another unbacked theory. That's all you do is go from one unproven theory to the next. Each writer can establish whatever he or she wants. What happens in a ff issue has no bearing on a starlin story unless referenced. LOL.

He was supreme as stated on panel. I could care less if he absorbed one universe or 100 we saw him in battle and the multiversal being known as the Lt couldn't even budge him.

We also see in ww's arc that Cronus was powerful enough to erase the host from the book, ie. the presence as stated by an angel. Do you want to get into that ?

Nothing pitiful about taking on multiversal beings and thrashing with no complete ease. I think being able to be erased from the book by someone as low down as Cronus is rather embarrassing for a supreme being now that you mention it.

The supreme being did need him. He was the only man for the job this was stated in the comic as well. Nothing you say you can back up.

It states it on panel he is the only one who could do it and warlock himsel fsays you were chosen because of your will. LOL.

That's not canon to the dcu. That's vertigo which isn't canon.

That presence was also shaped by external forces but that's another debate entirely.

Based off of what in a battle can the presence trick him ? When has the presence tricked someone ?

When has the presence in the dcu destroyed creation and he can't destroy someone else' creation in the vertigo just his own since his power is woven throughout each atom.

Thanos verified everything warlock stated and was just raging a bit. He was still all knowing and realized what he needed to do long before warlock showed up. He found a way out of his fate to boot. 🙂

OK...lets go over the facts here.

PRESENCE IS GOD

Thanos isn't

HOW IS THIS EVEN DEBATABLE?!?!?!?!?!?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
OK...lets go over the facts here.

PRESENCE IS GOD

Thanos isn't

[b]HOW IS THIS EVEN DEBATABLE?!?!?!?!?!? [/B]

Originally posted by kevdude
Well Cronus didn't have the power at all, it was in the sickle the whole time...

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The angels in the Shining City never thought of the Greek deities as any threat at all, and it would have just taken 1 angel of the Pax Dei to send them away if Cronus didn't have the sickle that was powered by the other deities.

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Here Cronus after touching The Presence, he begins to see everything and at the end he wishes to see no more and askes God to see no more. Afterwards being humbled he gave up his corporeal form and returned to his mother Gaea, reenacting what he just saw with his mother, giving her insight to the nature of God.

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Either you believe Cronus and Asmodel while delusional or Zauriel, Wonder Woman and everything else in the comic's that the writers have said. I can take a guess (though it really wouldn't be a guess cause I've tried to stay out of this) on what your going to believe..
😬

That's pretty definitive imo. mmm

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did absorb it it states it right on panel. You can't make it any clearer. he can't take the power it overwhelms him. You know I am right and that the writer would most certainly agree with me.

Yes, but Thanos says he is looking for the loophole to escape his fate which he does as we see in Thanos' series.

No, it isn't. You have no proof to suggest it was just another unbacked theory. That's all you do is go from one unproven theory to the next. Each writer can establish whatever he or she wants. What happens in a ff issue has no bearing on a starlin story unless referenced. LOL.

He was supreme as stated on panel. I could care less if he absorbed one universe or 100 we saw him in battle and the multiversal being known as the Lt couldn't even budge him.

We also see in ww's arc that Cronus was powerful enough to erase the host from the book, ie. the presence as stated by an angel. Do you want to get into that ?

Nothing pitiful about taking on multiversal beings and thrashing with no complete ease. I think being able to be erased from the book by someone as low down as Cronus is rather embarrassing for a supreme being now that you mention it.

The supreme being did need him. He was the only man for the job this was stated in the comic as well. Nothing you say you can back up.

It states it on panel he is the only one who could do it and warlock himsel fsays you were chosen because of your will. LOL.

That's not canon to the dcu. That's vertigo which isn't canon.

That presence was also shaped by external forces but that's another debate entirely.

Based off of what in a battle can the presence trick him ? When has the presence tricked someone ?

When has the presence in the dcu destroyed creation and he can't destroy someone else' creation in the vertigo just his own since his power is woven throughout each atom.

Thanos verified everything warlock stated and was just raging a bit. He was still all knowing and realized what he needed to do long before warlock showed up. He found a way out of his fate to boot. 🙂

No the writer would say that you misinterpreted the entre idea of the arc, as would I. He didn't fully absorb it, he touched it, felt creation, was overwhelmed, curled up into a little ball and literally ran back to his mother. That much is on panel.

That's fine. As I said, I have no argument with the fact that he survived, but as I said, it would have been pitiful if he did not.

It was stated to be a universe several times on panel even by Thanos himself "ADAM WARLOCK only you could somehow miss the end of the universe." "And that is how the universe came to an end". These weren't just random characters, this was from Thanos' own mouth quan. But I'm not going to debate that, because universe or omniverse, it doesn't matter to the Presence or TOAA.
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Do I want to get into Cronus erasing angels? Sure. It means nothing other than he transcended them, not the Presence.

The Presence was not erased from this "book".

Post the scan that says that he was the only man for the job and that TOAA could not have chosen someone else. I don't recall that.

We're having a discussion about Action comics 900 in another thread right now. If you really read it, then you would have seen the two panels in which Death of the Endless is talking to a man that has just broken his neck on a skiing accident referring to Luthor's ascention to power. So yeah, it's canon.

He tricked Lucy into believing that he was cast out of heaven when in fact his purpose was to rule it. He is supreme and omniscient, why wouldn't he be able to trick thanos when Adam Warlock had to inform Thanos that he had been tricked in the first place?

The Presence from DC and Vertigo are the same being. Why do you think that there are so many Vertigo characters showing up in DC and blatantly revealing themselves? I mean, Swamp Thing killed the CEO's of BP (in a DC cross-character event that is currently focusing on him) and Death was talking to some guy on panel (in the 900th issue of Action Comics, which often stars, as well as originated Superman, the most mainstream and well-known DC character) . What more proof do you need?

He raged after he found out. After Adam told him.

Notice how your references are relating to utmost current events, because these are all taking place in an event to bring them back into the fold in DC?

DC and Vertigo were separate and even now still are, the versions we're seeing in DC are not the versions from Vertigo. They're DC versions. The Vertigo versions will continue on, unchanged by these events. DC just wanted to be able to tell stories using the characters again.

Originally posted by Sirius77
No the writer would say that you misinterpreted the entre idea of the arc, as would I. He didn't fully absorb it, he touched it, felt creation, was overwhelmed, curled up into a little ball and literally ran back to his mother. That much is on panel.

That's fine. As I said, I have no argument with the fact that he survived, but as I said, it would have been pitiful if he did not.

It was stated to be a universe several times on panel even by Thanos himself "ADAM WARLOCK only you could somehow miss the end of the universe." "And that is how the universe came to an end". These weren't just random characters, this was from Thanos' own mouth quan. But I'm not going to debate that, because universe or omniverse, it doesn't matter to the Presence or TOAA.
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Do I want to get into Cronus erasing angels? Sure. It means nothing other than he transcended them, not the Presence.

The Presence was not erased from this "book".

Post the scan that says that he was the only man for the job and that TOAA could not have chosen someone else. I don't recall that.

We're having a discussion about Action comics 900 in another thread right now. If you really read it, then you would have seen the two panels in which Death of the Endless is talking to a man that has just broken his neck on a skiing accident referring to Luthor's ascention to power. So yeah, it's canon.

He tricked Lucy into believing that he was cast out of heaven when in fact his purpose was to rule it. He is supreme and omniscient, why wouldn't he be able to trick thanos when Adam Warlock had to inform Thanos that he had been tricked in the first place?

The Presence from DC and Vertigo are the same being. Why do you think that there are so many Vertigo characters showing up in DC and blatantly revealing themselves? I mean, Swamp Thing killed the CEO's of BP (in a DC cross-character event that is currently focusing on him) and Death was talking to some guy on panel (in the 900th issue of Action Comics, which often stars, as well as originated Superman, the most mainstream and well-known DC character) . What more proof do you need?

He raged after he found out. After Adam told him.

No, it wouldn't have been pitiful not at all.

What does universe or multiverse matter to a supreme being ? Honestly ?

The host from the book he was a threat to meaning the presence.
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He didn't get erased no but cronus had the power to do so.

Here's the scan saying Thanos alone had the goods for this feat. Plain as day.

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No, just like didio has stated some characters there are two versions but trying to make a false tie in with another character into making lucy's series canon is just plain wrong.

Thanos knew he was tricked before warlock showed up. Why do I have to repeat everything ?

No, they aren't. Vertigo titles are separate and even when they come into the dcu that doesn't mean all their vertigo actions are canon ie. constantine. Two versions of the character as stated by didio himself.

Thanos knew before adam told him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Notice how your references are relating to utmost current events, because these are all taking place in an event to bring them back into the fold in DC?

DC and Vertigo were separate and even now still are, the versions we're seeing in DC are not the versions from Vertigo. They're DC versions. The Vertigo versions will continue on, unchanged by these events. DC just wanted to be able to tell stories using the characters again.

It was a comicbookresources one I saw.

They're pretty much reverting to where they were before the titles split over to Vertigo.

Constantine.
Sandman.
Swamp thing.
Just as Animal Man before them.

So their stories and characterization that were present before the move to Vertigo will be in effect, everything there-after is pretty null and void as far as DC goes, but will continue in Vertigo.

Lucifer is not one of these titles or properties. It was never part of DC. It is fantastically written, and a solid piece of work though.

Originally posted by Juntai
It was a comicbookresources one I saw.

They're pretty much reverting to where they were before the titles split over to Vertigo.

Constantine.
Sandman.
Swamp thing.
Just as Animal Man before them.

So their stories and characterization that were present before the move to Vertigo will be in effect, everything there-after is pretty null and void as far as DC goes, but will continue in Vertigo.

Lucifer is not one of these titles or properties. It was never part of DC. It is fantastically written, and a solid piece of work though.

I do agree it was very well done and I love the finality of it.

Originally posted by Juntai
Notice how your references are relating to utmost current events, because these are all taking place in an event to bring them back into the fold in DC?

DC and Vertigo were separate and even now still are, the versions we're seeing in DC are not the versions from Vertigo. They're DC versions. The Vertigo versions will continue on, unchanged by these events. DC just wanted to be able to tell stories using the characters again.

I can see that being valid. So then would you not agree that the Presence, being a supreme entity would pertain to both "universes"? It would just seem odd to me that there would be alternate versions of such an entity.

Originally posted by Sirius77
I can see that being valid. So then would you not agree that the Presence, being a supreme entity would pertain to both "universes"? It would just seem odd to me that there would be alternate versions of such an entity.

That said, I hate these debates of supreme beings, I'd rather debate any other set of characters, really, but imo, Presence wins on the sheer idea that a being given a Supreme being's power to perform a task, is not the same as a Supreme being.

Look what happened when Azmodel tried to challenge the Presence. He ran into Heaven thinking he was going to fight someone, and Zauriel simply told him, The Presence IS.

It's not a being you can fight or confront, or defeat. It simply is.
As far as I can remember off hand, it was also the most recent interpretation of the Presence's whole.

Originally posted by Juntai
That said, I hate these debates of supreme beings, I'd rather debate any other set of characters, really, but imo, Presence wins on the sheer idea that a being given a Supreme being's power to perform a task, is not the same as a Supreme being.

Look what happened when Azmodel tried to challenge the Presence. He ran into Heaven thinking he was going to fight someone, and Zauriel simply told him, The Presence IS.

It's not a being you can fight or confront, or defeat. It simply is.
As far as I can remember off hand, it was also the most recent interpretation of the Presence's whole.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did absorb it yet couldn't handle it and curled up into a ball. It was too much for him.

No, it wouldn't have been pitiful not at all.

What does universe or multiverse matter to a supreme being ? Honestly ?

The host from the book he was a threat to meaning the presence.
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He didn't get erased no but cronus had the power to do so.

Here's the scan saying Thanos alone had the goods for this feat. Plain as day.

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/marveltheend4kebbin08-5.jpg

No, just like didio has stated some characters there are two versions but trying to make a false tie in with another character into making lucy's series canon is just plain wrong.

Thanos knew he was tricked before warlock showed up. Why do I have to repeat everything ?

No, they aren't. Vertigo titles are separate and even when they come into the dcu that doesn't mean all their vertigo actions are canon ie. constantine. Two versions of the character as stated by didio himself.

Thanos knew before adam told him.

No, actually he just touched it. He never actually absorbed it, in a matter of fact, he asks for the process to be stopped, signifying that it was not yet finished.

How did you get from that scan that Cronus had the ability to erase the Presence from the book, assuming that he even was in the book to begin with?

Thanos was self-embellishing. He even issued a self disclaimer stating that it was his "theory". To say that someone like Odin, who also has experience with massive stores of energy, or the like couldn't do the same would be odd.

There should be no reason as to why a supreme being would have multiple versions.

If he knew, then why did he continue and act as if he was taken aback when Warlock revealed this?

To say that the Presence "of vertigo" is a different Presence from the DCU, would be like saying that there is a different TOAA in every universe in Marvel. Supreme beings are just that--supreme. That is they exist across continuity. It would not make sense for there to be different versions of the Presence when there is supposedly only one version of Darkseid lol.