Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So what ? He resides in all of creation now so who cares what came before. Thanos wins.This was cited on panel as how to defeat or attack the presence which Thanos can do.
not saying he couldnt, but just cuz U can eat the cake doesnt mean U automatically eat the baker as well; trying to say that *is* the case makes for a very faulty argument.........
Tazer
Originally posted by Uriel005It was stated in a comic so your argument is with the writer.
still wrong.
Originally posted by TazerThe baker doesn't reside the cake but the presence does so your analogy makes no sense.
Yo.not saying he couldnt, but just cuz U can eat the cake doesnt mean U automatically eat the baker as well; trying to say that *is* the case makes for a very faulty argument.........
Tazer
Originally posted by -Pr-Paradise lost. I've put the scans up before. It's when asmodel is assaulting heaven and realizes the presence isn't there physically to attack.
You'd have to prove that the presence was part of creation. Otherwise, it's not going to hold up.What comic are you talking about?
Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The baker doesn't reside the cake but the presence does so your analogy makes no sense.
but The Presence isnt *only* in everything, so my point makes sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Paradise lost. I've put the scans up before. It's when asmodel is assaulting heaven and realizes the presence isn't there physically to attack.
which isnt true; its just that The Presence wasnt in a *single form* for him/it to atk. in essence he'd just spend the rest of his existence breaking all of the PHYSICAL OBJECTS that make up Creation.
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.but The Presence isnt *only* in everything, so my point makes sense.
which isnt true; its just that The Presence wasnt in a *single form* for him/it to atk. in essence he'd just spend the rest of his existence breaking all of the PHYSICAL OBJECTS that make up Creation.Your point makes zero sense as he is the cake and everything else you want to act like he's just the baker only. Wrong.
He wasn't as asmodel had nothing singular to attack which would only make it easier for Thanos to absorb.
Either way the point is based on paradise lost thanos easily wins.
Tazer
Yo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your point makes zero sense as he is the cake and everything else you want to act like he's just the baker only. Wrong.He wasn't as asmodel had nothing singular to attack which would only make it easier for Thanos to absorb.
Either way the point is based on paradise lost thanos easily wins.
no, my point makes sense in that since he's also The Baker, all Thanos is eating *is* The Cake, and that doesnt mean it includes The Baker as well.
the statement that Hes "in everything" does not mean thats all that he is, and that panel doesnt allude to that being the case either.
Tazer
Originally posted by TazerYou found the scan which clearly states he resides in everything. Thanos absorbs everything. End of story.
Yo.no, my point makes sense in that since he's also The Baker, all Thanos is eating *is* The Cake, and that doesnt mean it includes The Baker as well.
the statement that Hes "in everything" does not mean thats all that he is, and that panel doesnt allude to that being the case either.
Tazer
Originally posted by quanchi112If the presence existed before creation then how can creation be the entirety of the presence. Did Presence spontaneously will himself into existance... Which btw goes against the very premise of the character.
Which is the presence. He can't avoid being absorbed and loses. He didn't attempt to stop asmodel.
Absorbing creation won't do shit to presence.
Originally posted by Uriel005What existed before is irrelevant. I have a comic proving my case if you want to prove yours reference an issue which backs up your theory.
If the presence existed before creation then how can creation be the entirety of the presence. Did Presence spontaneously will himself into existance... Which btw goes against the very premise of the character.Absorbing creation won't do shit to presence.
Lucifer series. Ellaine Belloc... Case and point Presence left creation and went on to other things IIRC resulting in her taking Michaels power. The universe was falling apart without the Presence because he left. If the presence can leave a universe than it is clearly not a part of him. will dig for the issues but yeah.
Originally posted by Uriel005That's not canon to the dcu. Didio pretty much said as much and even that presence was shaped by external forces stated plain as day on panel.
Lucifer series. Ellaine Belloc... Case and point Presence left creation and went on to other things IIRC resulting in her taking Michaels power. The universe was falling apart without the Presence because he left. If the presence can leave a universe than it is clearly not a part of him. will dig for the issues but yeah.
All you had to do there is sit on his throne and take over as supreme being. Do you want to argue that presence vs. thanos with the heart ? I can sure do that.
Originally posted by quanchi112You're using the quote he was shaped by forces external him from the Lucifer comic that is noncanon to DCU. but you're saying using THe Presence leaving the universe is noncanon. You can't have it both ways. By the way in the Lucifer comic said that God's name was in every fabric of creation. Which is why when he leaves that creation unravels. That explains why Asmodel said that God's name was in everything. Besides I doubt Asmodel is the end all authority on the nature of God considering he turned against him.
That's not canon to the dcu. Didio pretty much said as much and even that presence was shaped by external forces stated plain as day on panel.All you had to do there is sit on his throne and take over as supreme being. Do you want to argue that presence vs. thanos with the heart ? I can sure do that.