HOTU vs. The Presence. · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Superherovandal
You're using the quote he was shaped by forces external him from the Lucifer comic that is noncanon to DCU. but you're saying using THe Presence leaving the universe is noncanon. You can't have it both ways. By the way in the Lucifer comic said that God's name was in every fabric of creation. Which is why when he leaves that creation unravels. That explains why Asmodel said that God's name was in everything. Besides I doubt Asmodel is the end all authority on the nature of God considering he turned against him.

Asmodel learns this by way of his conversation with the angel. I am arguing against the vertigo presence since he brought it up but at the same time saying all of lucy's series doesn't pertain to the dcu.

You can't cite that series for the dcu presence but if you want to argue for vertigo's presence I can switch gears.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which is the presence. He can't avoid being absorbed and loses. He didn't attempt to stop asmodel.

yes, the Presence is the Presence; we can all read here.

and no, Creation *might* be lost but since the Presence would still be around; that he didnt move to stop Azmodel says nothing as there really wasnt any need to.

Tazer

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
yes, the Presence is the Presence; we can all read here.
and no, Creation *might* be lost but since the Presence would still be around; that he didnt move to stop Azmodel says nothing as there really wasnt any need to.
Tazer

In a future arc with Cronus he took the presence's power from heaven so Thanos can do just the same and absorb all of creation. Nothing the presence can do.

753 Senior Member

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Presence is equal to TOAA which means he is > HOTU

this pretty much ends the argument here.

if another omniscient being used THOTU, he'd stalemate the presence/overmonitor. thanos, despite slowly growing into omniscience, wasnt really up there.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In a future arc with Cronus he took the presence's power from heaven so Thanos can do just the same and absorb all of creation. Nothing the presence can do.

and he died ultimately failed in the attempt due to not being strong enuff to handle that much power as I recall, and I *also* dont remember the Presence fighting him at all, not that He couldnt.........but that He just didnt.

theres nothing in that story which says the Presence was helpless or defenseless; if anything, it simply shows Cronus beating himself.

so, do U have any other instances of the Presence not fighting U'd like to use as proof of "Presence <<< THOTI"?? 😆

Tazer

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
and he died ultimately failed in the attempt due to not being strong enuff to handle that much power as I recall, and I *also* dont remember the Presence fighting him at all, not that He couldnt.........but that He just didnt.
theres nothing in that story which says the Presence was helpless or defenseless; if anything, it simply shows Cronus beating himself.
so, do U have any other instances of the Presence not fighting U'd like to use as proof of "Presence <<< THOTI"?? 😆
Tazer

Lol Quan has a funny memory.

It wasn't the Presence's power, it was the Godwave. And when Cronus /w Godwave did storm the Silver City (not Heaven) and briefly touched the mind of the Lord of the Silver City (possibly the Presence, possibly a lesser but similar being, DC isn't always clear on that) he nearly went mad because he realized it was too much power and too vast for anyone, even a God like him to comprehend.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
and he died ultimately failed in the attempt due to not being strong enuff to handle that much power as I recall, and I *also* dont remember the Presence fighting him at all, not that He couldnt.........but that He just didnt.
theres nothing in that story which says the Presence was helpless or defenseless; if anything, it simply shows Cronus beating himself.
so, do U have any other instances of the Presence not fighting U'd like to use as proof of "Presence <<< THOTI"?? 😆
Tazer

The presence doesn't seem like he chooses to fight and lets these things occur. Thanos however will indeed absorb all of reality which he has shown the ability to do. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't make it any more unlikely to happen.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lol Quan has a funny memory.
It wasn't the Presence's power, it was the Godwave. And when Cronus /w Godwave did storm the Silver City (not Heaven) and briefly touched the mind of the Lord of the Silver City (possibly the Presence, possibly a lesser but similar being, DC isn't always clear on that) he nearly went mad because he realized it was too much power and too vast for anyone, even a God like him to comprehend.

It was stated as the presence' power not the godwave. His sickle was destroyed by WW before he took on this power. I'm right your wrong as usual.

Stew on it. 🙂

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The presence doesn't seem like he chooses to fight and lets these things occur. Thanos however will indeed absorb all of reality which he has shown the ability to do. Just because you don't like the outcome doesn't make it any more unlikely to happen.

at no point did I say Thanos couldnt absorb Creation; wat Ive BEEN saying is that just cuz he does so doesnt mean he absorbs the all of The Presence with it.

Tazer

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
at no point did I say Thanos couldnt absorb Creation; wat Ive BEEN saying is that just cuz he does so doesnt mean he absorbs the all of The Presence with it.
Tazer

It says right on panel what made up the presence and what combat feats does the presence have since he's in this thread and there's no way Thanos can't get to him.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

no, its says that hes in everything that makes up Creation, not that Creation makes up all of Him; 2 diff things entirely

Tazer

Uriel005 Senior Member

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
no, its says that hes in everything that makes up Creation, not that Creation makes up all of Him; 2 diff things entirely
Tazer

ignore him just as hes ignoring the fcat that if the presence was creation then he wouldnt be the creator

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
no, its says that hes in everything that makes up Creation, not that Creation makes up all of Him; 2 diff things entirely
Tazer

Then what else is he ? He's in this thread to fight so point me to any scans or issues where it explains the essence of what the presence is better than paradise lost.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

explaining the essence of the Presence doesnt constitute "battle scan" for Him, and as far as I know there arent any..........which makes this whole thread moot really.

Tazer

Black bolt z Mindsets Master

How is this still open? Seriously?

Presence shitstomps irrefutibly.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
explaining the essence of the Presence doesnt constitute "battle scan" for Him, and as far as I know there arent any..........which makes this whole thread moot really.
Tazer

I have two stories where they address the presence and Thanos easily wins as you have no evidence as to suggest why or even how the presence wins.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

I *never said* the Presence wins, nor was that ever my point.

my only point was to illustrate that yur argument ment of "THOTI-Thanos eats da all Creation; HE AM WINZ!!!" is a faulty judgement based on the evidence provided.

Tazer

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
I *never said* the Presence wins, nor was that ever my point.
my only point was to illustrate that yur argument ment of "THOTI-Thanos eats da all Creation; HE AM WINZ!!!" is a faulty judgement based on the evidence provided.
Tazer

No, because the angel quickly went to the presence's defense by not allowing asmodel to destroy creation. The scans make my case for me.

Tazer Senior Member

Yo.

there was nothing to defend; Azmodel wouldnt have been able to do anything, so no it *doesnt* make yur case for ya.

Tazer

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.
there was nothing to defend; Azmodel wouldnt have been able to do anything, so no it *doesnt* make yur case for ya.
Tazer

If his actions were irrelevant the angel wouldn't have cared and would have stated it wouldn't matter but as the scan shows he resides in everything and the only way asmodel was going to attack him was by attacking all of creation which Thanos can do.

Superherovandal CEO of BS Comics Inc.

Just because the angel tried to stop asmodel doesn't mean that Presence is only within creation. I honestly doubt the angels believe that Asmodel could do anything to God. However, I'm sure that the angel prolly wanted to protect its father's creation.