Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You haven't even read my entire argument here, have you? Totally different than my argument in the HG thread. Big ass fail, dude.
I have, which is why I said "you're arguing the opposite in regards to Gunkata" now. Somehow Gunkata would fail against Hit-Girl because she does a couple of flips, but now Gunkata is factoring in curving rounds. Does not follow logic, the too.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I understand that. Point is that Preston uses Gun Kata to:A: Avoid the traditional trajectory of incoming bullets.
B: Also uses Gun Kata to avoid being at the bullets desired destination.
It's right there in the vid.
And how did the bullet(s) in your "B)" arrive at the desired destination?
Survey says:
Spoiler:
By following ""statistically traditional trajectories" of the way bullets travel.
Originally posted by Robtardhaermm I never denied that. My point stands. Preston avoided being hit by knowing where and when the bullets would arrive and not being there. It's right there in the vid. I have video evidence to back mine up.
And how did the bullet(s) in your "B)" arrive at the desired destination?Survey says:
Spoiler:
By following ""statistically traditional trajectories" of the way bullets travel.
Originally posted by RobtardHit Girl is a legit bullet dodger, bro. You wanna argue that, find and bump the thread.
I have, which is why I said "you're arguing the opposite in regards to Gunkata" now. Somehow Gunkata would fail against Hit-Girl because she does a couple of flips, but now Gunkata is factoring in curving rounds. Does not follow logic, the too.
Originally posted by Robtard
Or accidentally move into it, considering he can't do the math for something that doesn't follow known statistics. It's a flip of the coin.
I agree that this is a possibility. But the volume with which he can move into versus the very tiny volume that will kill him is gigantically different.
Originally posted by Nephthys
NO. Clearly the guards are standing at point 1 and Preston is standing at point 2.crackers
PWNED!
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
haermm I never denied that. My point stands. Preston avoided being hit by knowing where and when the bullets would arrive and not being there. It's right there in the vid. I have video evidence to back mine up.Hit Girl is a legit bullet dodger, bro. You wanna argue that, find and bump the thread.
And what method did he use to know when the bullets would arrive? Answer: using 'statistically traditional trajectories' of bullet travel. Which can't be factored if the bullet(s) are curving at impossible trajectories.
Somewhat correct, but that wasn't your argument and not the point, you argued that Gunkata would fail against her because she can do little flips and what not while shooting. But now Gunkata doesn't fail with curving bullets. No, Hit-Girl like Potter is a character that needs lots of rest in the MVF.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree that this is a possibility. But the volume with which he can move into versus the very tiny volume that will kill him is gigantically different.
Glad we agree on that. Yes and no, I think we can both agree that Selene with Wanted powers has dead aim and Gunkata users only generally move in a small area, so the odds of Blade side-stepping, back-stepping etc into the flight path of the round(s) isn't that skewed, imo.
But there is the scene when Preston went ape-shit over his dog and he was all over the ****ing place. IMO, depends what Blade does, little-steps or all over the place.
I still think that between these two it would come down to who gets the first shot and puts one between their opponent's eyes, with an edge to the bullet-bender. She also now has the ability to shoot bullets out of the air, as seen in Wanted, another plus on her side.
I never denied that. My point stands. Preston avoided being hit by knowing where and when the bullets would arrive and not being there. It's right there in the vid. I have video evidence to back mine up.
You're almost there...He doesn't avoid where the bullet will end up because the bullet will keep on travelling if he isn't there...He avoids the direction the bullet is travelling...He knows where it will be coming from with straight shots...He doesn't with curved shots thus his chances of choosing the right place to be to and the right "fluid position" to avoid it are drastically reduced and not statistically predictable.
Originally posted by RobtardGun Kata!!!! 😱
And what method did he use to know when the bullets would arrive?
Answer: using 'statistically traditional trajectories' of bullet travel. Which can't be factored if the bullet(s) are curving at impossible trajectories.True.
BUT....."traditional trajectories"= a straight line. If the bullet curver curver curves the bullet, the Gun Kata has that much more time to evade.
It's simple, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Doesn't matter what the bullet does between the two points.
Somewhat correct, but that wasn't your argument and not the point, you argued that Gunkata would fail against her because she can do little flips and what not while shooting.No. I argued that a Gun Kata user memorizes the locations of his opponents and directs his fire to those locations. I argued that Hit Girl's ability to dodge 3 bullets at point blank range nukes this.
But now Gunkata doesn't fail with curving bullets.As long as the bullets start and end in the same locations, no.
No, Hit-Girl like Potter is a character that needs lots of rest in the MVF.Sure!!!
Then there's this:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
OK, one more time. Watch the vid below. FF to 3:12.The clerics/cops see Preston standing at the end of the hallway. He is stationary. They raise their weapons and fire on him. Preston does his flippy spin move and avoids being hit.
His opponents were at point A. Preston was at point B. His opponents fired from point A, the bullets traveled to their desired location, point B, but Preston was no longer there. How? Why? Because Preston saw where they were, heard when they fired, and was able to predict where and when the bullets would arrive.
Thee you have it. Preston avoids being hit by staying out of the flight path of the bullet, AND avoiding being where his opponent intends for the bullet to strike home. He does BOTH.
BTW: Those machine gun rounds travel faster than 9mm bullets. Blade, with his vampire attributes AND Gun Kata on par with Preston, yeah, Selene's gonna fail with bullet curving. Her only chance is the adrenaline boost, and at this point I think even that won't be enough.
No counter for that.
Originally posted by Rogue JediBUT....."traditional trajectories"= a straight line. If the bullet curver curver curves the bullet, the Gun Kata has that much more time to evade.
It's simple, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. Doesn't matter what the bullet does between the two points.
No counter for that.
Cept the Gunkata'er won't be able to factor in where to safely move himself. As stated over and over, he could position himself in the bullet(s) path instead of outside of it.
Cept Gunkata is designed to factor in trajectories; which exactly relates her as the distance between the fired gun and the bullet's final destination. You're essentially ignoring the key elements of Gunkata with that second statement of yours.
The counter is not ignoring how Gunkata works as stated.
Originally posted by RobtardHe could also avoid being where the bullet is intended to strike him, as Preston did in the vid I posted.
Cept the Gunkata'er won't be able to factor in where to safely move himself. As stated over and over, he could position himself in the bullet(s) path instead of outside of it.
Cept Gunkata is designed to factor in trajectories; which exactly relates her as the distance between the fired gun and the bullet's final destination. You're essentially ignoring the key elements of Gunkata with that second statement of yours.Gun Kata is designed to factor in trajectories on bullets flying in a straight line. Curving the bullet increases the distance/flight time of the bullet. This makes it that much easier for a Gun Kata user to avoid being hit. UNLESS they evade TOWARDS their opponent. If they evade side to side, they're fine.
The counter is not ignoring how Gunkata works as stated.Gun Kata works as stated AND showed. What is showed>>>>what is stated.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He could also avoid being where the bullet is intended to strike him, as Preston did in the vid I posted.Gun Kata is designed to factor in trajectories on bullets flying in a straight line. Curving the bullet increases the distance/flight time of the bullet. This makes it that much easier for a Gun Kata user to avoid being hit. UNLESS they evade TOWARDS their opponent. If they evade side to side, they're fine.
Gun Kata works as stated AND showed. What is showed>>>>what is stated.
He has no idea where the bullet is exactly intending to strike as the Wanted shooters could bend at illogical angles. He also has no idea which exact path the bullet is taking to that unknown mark. I'd be a guess.
They could step right into the path, as they don't know which path the bullet is taking.
That doesn't help your argument, as a bending bullet is outside the ability of Gunkata to factor in. The math won't work.
Originally posted by RobtardBut he does know the location of his opponent when they shoot, therefore he can judge where and when the bullet will strike.
He has no idea where the bullet is exactly intending to strike as the Wanted shooters could bend at illogical angles. He also has no idea which exact path the bullet is taking to that unknown mark. I'd be a guess.
You know, like in the vid I posted.
They could step right into the path, as they don't know which path the bullet is taking.Or, you know, what I just said.
That doesn't help your argument, as a bending bullet is outside the ability of Gunkata to factor in. The math won't work.Quite the opposite, considering Preston literally did what I am claiming.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
But he does know the location of his opponent when they shoot, therefore he can judge where and when the bullet will strike.You know, like in the vid I posted.
Or, you know, what I just said.
Quite the opposite, considering Preston literally did what I am claiming.
No, not using Gunkata. He can guess, but that isn't Gunkata.
That vid has nothing to do with curving bullets, which is what Selene would be bringing.
Yes, he could happen to step out of the path, or he could not, which is the point that has been told to you over and over. That isn't the precise awesomeness of Gunkata though.
Preston never factored in curving bullets, as they don't exist in that universe. You're basing your argument on something Gunkata isn't.
Originally posted by RobtardUh, he kinda "guessed" during the entire hallway shootout. Guess we can chalk that up to another skill he has.
No, not using Gunkata. He can guess, but that isn't Gunkata.
That vid has nothing to do with curving bullets, which is what Selene would be bringing.Already covered this. Curving bullets means a longer flight time. Longer flight time= More time for the Gun Kata user to be away from where the bullet will strike.
Yes, he could happen to step out of the path, or he could not, which is the point that has been told to you over and over. That isn't the precise awesomeness of Gunkata though.Or he could......you know.......Predict when and where the bullet will strike and be away from that point.......like he did in the hallway shootout.......with 30 trained killers firing full automatic rifles at him.......
Yeah.......
Preston never factored in curving bullets, as they don't exist in that universe. You're basing your argument on something Gunkata isn't.I am basing my argument on the FACT that Preston is able to, in to staying out of the traditional trajectories of incoming fire, predict when and where the bullet will strike and evade accordingly. It's in the vid. Your continual denial of this does not change that.
Preston didn't guess, he's just beyond uber with Gunkata. He factored in the gunmen, factored in the trajectories and danced his way to a blood-bath.
No, no, no and no. Gunkata "predicting" as you call it relies on bullets (and gunmen) doing what they're supposed to do, fly/shoot straight. Take away that factor, there's no predictions, it's a guess, might work, might not. You're just too stubborn to accept this.
Originally posted by RobtardMhm. And predicted where and when the bullets would strike and evaded accordingly.
Preston didn't guess, he's just beyond uber with Gunkata. He factored in the gunmen, factored in the trajectories and danced his way to a blood-bath.
No, no, no and no. Gunkata "predicting" as you call it relies on bullets (and gunmen) doing what they're supposed to do, fly/shoot straight. Take away that factor, there's no predictions, it's a guess, might work, might not. You're just too stubborn to accept this.You're mistake is taking the definition of Gun Kata and assuming that Preston is limited to it. He's not. It's right there in the vid I posted.
Originally posted by Robtard
No, no, no and no. Gunkata "predicting" as you call it relies on bullets (and gunmen) doing what they're supposed to do, fly/shoot straight. Take away that factor, there's no predictions, it's a guess, might work, might not. You're just too stubborn to accept this.
I understand this and conceded that point.
It's a possibility that an excellent Gun Kata user would dodge into the trajectory of a curved bullet. However, I'd rather lean on the much larger volume that they can dodge into as being the higher likelihood.
So, yes, RJ, Robtard is right on this point: there is a possibility, due to the unlikely nature that they would move in a direction that puts them into the very slightly different path of a bent trajectory. However, that trajectory and dodging into it would require quite the unlikely event because there is very little difference at the back of the head and no difference at the front of the head. He'd have to move in a way that puts his head in the path of the bent bullet, at the back of his head, while moving out of the way into the trajectory of the straight bullet which would be almost impossible for him to do considering Preston cleared all bullets with a comfortable margin.
I can draw a picture for that, Robtard, if you'd like.
Originally posted by dadudemonIf the Gun Kata user evades towards or away from their opponent, then yes, true. I already agreed on that.So, yes, RJ, Robtard is right on this point: there is a possibility, due to the unlikely nature that they would move in a direction that puts them into the very slightly different path of a bent trajectory.
BUT, if the Gun Kata user is aware that their opponent can curve bullets, why would they evade towards or away from their opponent knowing that doing so would likely get them killed? They would dodge side to side. By dodging side to side, they counter the curving of the bullet. No matter how much the bullet is curved, Point A (where the bullet curver fires the bullet from) and point B (where the bullet curver intends the bullet to strike) remains the same.