Hit Girl versus John McClane

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Fail.

Yes, Mac's intention was to shoot loose the cables. Observe:

The cables are clearly shown attached to a relay box. Mac let's loose TWO shots from about 30 feet away, and:

The relay box explodes, and the cable falls.

He did NOT shoot the cable.

You're right about the box.

The box is small, look at that pic in comparison to the wires. It's not much of a target.

You're insane about the "30 feet" away, look how tall that sign is and look how small McClane looks in the shot. He's MUCH further away than just 30-odd feet, which is nothing.

It's a kick-ass (get it?) shot, especially with a snubnose. Deal with it, MR. Idownplaymcclaneateverychance

Originally posted by dadudemon
K, this thread went on for four pages already.

I don't want to buy the Blu-Ray, but if someone can point me to a high definition free version of Kickass, I'll calculate the speed of the bullets that Hit Girl dodged. My estimations are that those bullets are much slower than real bullets and Hit Girls dodging feats are similar to dodging blaster bolts.

My visual estimate of those bullets is around 100 Mph.

I will spend a massive hour measuring and calculating out the speed...I just need a high definition video to review. I don't feel like searching the shit out of the net and I'm DEFINITELY not going to buy the Blu-Ray.

The move was impressive, but the camera cuts, it's as she moved her head before the gunman fired and it's not really dodging a bullet, just staying clear of the gun's path.

I'd post the clip on youtube, but I'm lazy.

YouTube video

@ 1:32

not really. she moves her head after the bullet is shot. Also, note the range.

lol. Mcclane dies... hard.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're right about the box.

The box is small, look at that pic in comparison to the wires. It's not much of a target.

You're insane about the "30 feet" away, look how tall that sign is and look how small McClane looks in the shot. He's MUCH further away than just 30-odd feet, which is nothing.

It's a kick-ass (get it?) shot, especially with a snubnose. Deal with it, MR. Idownplaymcclaneateverychance

Originally posted by marwash22
YouTube video

@ 1:32

not really. she moves her head after the bullet is shot. Also, note the range.

lol. Mcclane dies... hard.

The hell would I be mad? I was wrong about the wires, but the box is only a slightly bigger target and the shot is still dope and shows McClane's aim. Point stands.

Get yourself a ruler and see how long 30feet is, cos you've got no idea.

The box is hella big compared to the wires, it's not even close.

30ish. Just saying it's not 50 yards, not even close. I can make that shot, if given all the time in the world to aim as Mac had.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The box is hella big compared to the wires, it's not even close.

30ish. Just saying it's not 50 yards, not even close. I can make that shot, if given all the time in the world to aim as Mac had.

Yeah, no. Compare the wires to the box, it's a small power-box.

No, not 30ish either. It's a tall sign on a building and the target happened to be on the very top of the sigh. So it's the building's height + the sign's height.

Utility poles average 45 feet, so going by that measure and if McClane was directly under it, it's be about 45 feet. But he wasn't, we was also far away, as we see how small he looks in relation to the power-box. Shot is probably closer to 150feet (50yards) than it is 30feet. Could be more.

McClane made the shot in about 2 seconds, look at the time-frame of the stills. But of course you could make that shot.

Do keep down-playing McClane, it's a staple of yours; it's funny.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, no. Compare the wires to the box, it's a small power-box.

No, not 30ish either. It's a tall sign on a building and the target happened to be on the very top of the sigh. So it's the building's height + the sign's height.

Utility poles average 45 feet, so going by that measure and if McClane was directly under it, it's be about 45 feet. But he wasn't, we was also far away, as we see how small he looks in relation to the power-box. Shot is probably closer to 150feet (50yards) than it is 30feet. Could be more.

McClane made the shot in about 2 seconds, look at the time-frame of the stills. But of course you could make that shot.

Do keep down-playing McClane, it's a staple of yours; it's funny.

You're just pissed because McClane's one outstanding marksmanship feat has been crushed. 30 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, won't matter. Hit Girl will dodge his bullets and put two in his ticker, one in his computer.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
crylaugh @ 150 feet per second haermm

You're just pissed because McClane's one outstanding marksmanship feat has been crushed. 30 feet, 50 feet, 150 feet, won't matter. Hit Girl will dodge his bullets and put two in his ticker, one in his computer.

Say what?

How has it been "crushed" when you're blatantly wrong in trying to downplay into something you could easily do? You're wrong about McClane yet again, accept it. I at least has the rubies to admit I was wrong about the wires being hit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Say what?

How has it been "crushed" when you're blatantly wrong in trying to downplay into something you could easily do? You're wrong about McClane yet again, accept it. I at least has the rubies to admit I was wrong about the wires being hit.

And for the long range shit, again, what difference does it make? When did McClane show any skills with a scoped rifle? He didn't. And if he tries shooting her from 50 yards away, she'll lulz wtf dodge and take his head off.

You just have to accept that someone is actually better than your precious McClane.

YouTube video

ACCEPT IT.

/thread.

That's not the issue at hand, dude. The issue at hand is what McClane did and your persistent downplaying of the character.

A lot of characters are better than my precious; I'm not the one with the history of taking impregnable fanboy-stances in here on their favorites though, now am I, pumpkin.

Already said Hit-Girl wins this spite thread pages ago. So not sure why you're chattering to me about Hit-Girl winning.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's not the issue at hand, dude. The issue at hand is what McClane did and your persistent downplaying of the character.

The box is a helluva lot bigger than the thin ass wires.

The distance is not 50 yards, not even close.

Indo debate.

A lot of characters are better than my precious; I'm not the one with the history of taking impregnable fanboy-stances in here on their favorites though, now am I, pumpkin.

Think before you speak, Champ.

Already said Hit-Girl wins this spite thread pages ago. So not sure why you're chattering to me about Hit-Girl winning.

You're just mad because Hit Girl is better. What happened to this?

Originally posted by Robtard
Why don't use just tell us how Hit-Girl "pwns all" and I'll rip your argument a new *******? Probably best if you just get right to it, no?

Now remember, Rob, it's all in good fun. Your words, babe.

Originally posted by marwash22
huh?

can someone point me in the direction of a screenplay where it's explicitly written that "these bullets are going slower than standard bullets"

That's completely irrelevant as we get to see the bullet streak across the screen. 🙂 No matter how much you protest or think of ways to get out of a "de-powering" of you idea on Hit Girl, you cannot use anything outside of onscreen feats: what we see is what we get. If she dodged a ballistc traveling at 100fps, she dodged a ballistic traveling at 100fps. There is no other interpretation other than a direct one.

It's the same as a blaster bolt: blaster bolts have a range of a little less than 60Mph all the way up to 2 or 3 Km/s. Generally, we accept the "pistol" or medium rifle versions which range between 150-300 Mph.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In movies that are based here on Earth, in modern times with modern weaponry (Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Kick Ass, Desperado, etc), bullets travel as fast as they do in real life. They do not travel 1150 fps in one movie, then 250 fps in another.

In real life, 9mm bullets travel between 1000 and 1500 fps. Therefore in this matchup, they travel just as fast.

All of that is irrelevent to what is actually seen onscreen. If the bullet traveled at 100mph, it traveled at 100 mph. Movie-screen feats only in the MVF. And, yes, they do travel at different speeds in different movies. The bullet Wesley Gibson fired at the very end was an extremely high velocity round: much higher than what we have, now...during the sequences that are slowed down, everything seems stopped while the bullet is moving.

No matter how much your protest and complain, you will have to deal with the facts of the film.

If you weren't so worried about her feat being trivialized by really slow bullets, it wouldn't matter. You know my estimations are in the ballpark and you can't stand the fact that Hit Girl is going to be made less awesome than you think she is. If you don't think something like a frame by frame comparison can't be done...then just take a look at the frame by frames done to calculate blaster bolt speed: you seemed rather happy to have those admitted to threads as evidence when it suited your side against the Star Wars peeps. You cannot pick and choose which on-screen actions you will accept and which ones you will not.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're right about the box.

The box is small, look at that pic in comparison to the wires. It's not much of a target.

You're insane about the "30 feet" away, look how tall that sign is and look how small McClane looks in the shot. He's MUCH further away than just 30-odd feet, which is nothing.

It's a kick-ass (get it?) shot, especially with a snubnose. Deal with it, MR. Idownplaymcclaneateverychance

I say 30-40 feet is about right. Other than that, I agree with the rest.

McClane has no problem knocking out chicks and driving cars up their ass as they fall down elevator shafts.

He pushes over a rack of shoes on HG and then beats her to death with a size 9 flip flop.

Originally posted by Johnny Demonic
McClane has no problem knocking out chicks and driving cars up their ass as they fall down elevator shafts.

He pushes over a rack of shoes on HG and then beats her to death with a size 9 flip flop.

But yeah, in a straight up fistfight he wins.

This'll be a shootout, plain and simple. McClane can't compete with Hit Girl in a shootout. It's like pitting a sheep against a wolf.

yea, HG has skill, but she got her ass handed to her by a thug boss and it took someone else to save her.

JM beat everyone himself.

After McClane defeats HG, and yes, he does defeat her, in like seconds, he drags her corpse around walmart with a riding lawn mower.