Hitman vs. Hit-girl

Originally posted by marwash22
i'm confused. if aim is not important, why do you keep stressing how "dead on" they were? I've already said from the very beginning that Hit-Girl's dodging was impressive... at first it seemed like you were trying to say that the feat was MORE impressive because of the shooters aim, but now it sounds like we're saying the same thing. 😐

WHERE the bullets were aimed (her head, chest, torso) is what is important, not the gunmen's long range skill. Doesn't matter if they are the crappiest shots ever, what matters is that the bullets they fired were dead on.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Hit Girl dodges bullets that are shot from men with good aim.

Hitman does not.

Hit Girl is a better shot.

/thread.

Men with no coordination between their fire, a coordination 47 is capable of utilizing given he has two guns, notice how she tilted her head to the right the two times she dodged the bullets, a trained killer like 47 will notice that the first time it happens, and then next time she tilts her head to the right, she will tilt it into bullet from 47 other gun. Also the fact that she had to tilt her head only twice points out of all the multiple gun shots only two was dead on, hell any adult male with a gun given 9 clips could hit a target dead on 2 times, so to call the goons guys with dead on aim is simply wrong.

No hitman just utilizes cover.

Yes she used over 4 clips to shot 9 guys, I'm not even going to point out what her father did as a comparison.

Oh and let me see HG hitting a target from 4 kilometers away.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Men with no coordination between their fire, a coordination 47 is capable of utilizing given he has two guns, notice how she tilted her head to the right the two times she dodged the bullets, a trained killer like 47 will notice that the first time it happens, and then next time she tilts her head to the right, she will tilt it into bullet from 47 other gun. Also the fact that she had to tilt her head only twice points out of all the multiple gun shots only two was dead on, hell any adult male with a gun given 9 clips could hit a target dead on 2 times, so to call the goons guys with dead on aim is simply wrong.

No hitman just utilizes cover.

Yes she used over 4 clips to shot 9 guys, I'm not even going to point out what her father did as a comparison.

Oh and let me see HG hitting a target from 4 kilometers away.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Men with no coordination between their fire, a coordination 47 is capable of utilizing given he has two guns, notice how she tilted her head to the right the two times she dodged the bullets, a trained killer like 47 will notice that the first time it happens, and then next time she tilts her head to the right, she will tilt it into bullet from 47 other gun.

That's how bullet dodging works. You see the bullet, you dodge it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Give me a break. She'll see the bullet and dodge accordingly. She'll see him firing at the empty space and just shift where she dodges.

That's how bullet dodging works. You see the bullet, you dodge it.

She can dodge as shown in the movie one bullet incoming towards her head, so suggest that she can go beyond that and react according to a bullet fired delayed at the exact spot she tilts her head in, is speculating. And it's not like she is running down there Neo style, she evades 98-99% of the bullets while dodging the remaining.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
10 guns all firing at the same time with deadly accuracy>>>>>>>>>>>>Two guns doing the same. Simple math.

HG does too.

Point?

This is not a sniping battle.

Hardly 10 guns fired at the same time, the narrow corridor worked well in HG favor, it's hard to get a clean shot without at the same time aiming at the guy infront of you, and that wasn't the point, as I think your well aware, the point is that your idea that all of those 9 guys are dead on marksman is unfounded.

In the beginning yes, but then she runs forward, please show me a single place in the gun fight itself were she uses her enviroment as cover.

That HG will have a extreme amount of agility and a small amount of bullet dodging capabilities, she isn't, just like the guys she fought, a outstanding marksman, BD iirc used less then a clip to kill roughly the same amount of goons in a surrounding that was much more challenging. What he did is a example of good marksmanship.

I'm well aware of that, but I'm interested in hearing if you believe that a character that can hit a mark from 4 kilometers away is a lesser marksman, you must be under that impression if your previous comment is to make any sense.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Hardly 10 guns fired at the same time, the narrow corridor worked well in HG favor, it's hard to get a clean shot without at the same time aiming at the guy infront of you, and that wasn't the point, as I think your well aware, the point is that your idea that all of those 9 guys are dead on marksman is unfounded.

In the beginning yes, but then she runs forward, please show me a single place in the gun fight itself were she uses her enviroment as cover.

That HG will have a extreme amount of agility and a small amount of bullet dodging capabilities, she isn't, just like the guys she fought, a outstanding marksman, BD iirc used less then a clip to kill roughly the same amount of goons in a surrounding that was much more challenging. What he did is a example of good marksmanship.

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Fail. Hitman had automatic weapons, two of them, AND explosives.

Also, about the number of bullets angle, you do realize that Hit Girl, in the vid below, used a Heckler & Koch USP Compact 9mm(16 round capacity) and a SIG Sauer P232 (9 round capacity), right? Whereas Hitman uses .45 ACP's (9 round capacity), yes? HG has more bullets, dude, AND she does the Agent Zero Matrix style reload. Fail again.

I'm well aware of that, but I'm interested in hearing if you believe that a character that can hit a mark from 4 kilometers away is a lesser marksman, you must be under that impression if your previous comment is to make any sense.

Until you can post a vid of Hitman doing anything that comes close to this:

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There's no debate. HG is better with guns. She dodges ALL his bullets and kinda, you know RETURNS FIRE as she is doing so.

yea yea yea Hitman wins
/thread

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
yea yea yea Hitman wins
/thread

I'm watching Hitman now. I don't see 47 winning without prep

The only way Hitman wins is if he snipes her from 4k away, or if she is unaware she is being hunted.

or... if 47 waits for her to run out of bullets and pwns her ass in h2h combat.

Oh he'll rape her h2h, but a full clip is all she'll need.

Originally posted by marwash22
you're currently driving down fanboy lane and are fast approaching masturbation boulevard.

😆

Added to my profile. 😐

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not saying they are uber marskmen. I am saying that the bullets are hitting where she was before she dodged. The shots were accurate as hell.

See, that's the thing, HG doesn't need cover. She's a bullet dodger and is way too fast.

You mean this scene?

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Fail. Hitman had automatic weapons, two of them, AND explosives.

Also, about the number of bullets angle, you do realize that Hit Girl, in the vid below, used a Heckler & Koch USP Compact 9mm(16 round capacity) and a SIG Sauer P232 (9 round capacity), right? Whereas Hitman uses .45 ACP's (9 round capacity), yes? HG has more bullets, dude, AND she does the Agent Zero Matrix style reload. Fail again.

He's a kickass sniper, but this is not a sniper duel. Sniping and CQC gunplay are two different things entirely.

Until you can post a vid of Hitman doing anything that comes close to this:

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There's no debate. HG is better with guns. She dodges ALL his bullets and kinda, you know RETURNS FIRE as she is doing so.

But then you are saying they are "Uber" marksmen, make up your mind.

However that wasn't the point in your argument, I said that Hitman utilized cover, you repeated that HG does to, and now agrees with me that she doesn't, again make up your mind as to what HG actually does.

How did BD = Big Daddy translate into HM = Hitman in your universe? Just out of curiosity.

Utilizing a rifle to shoot a long distance shows you ability to handle weapons etc.

A marksman is a person who is skilled in precision shooting, using projectile weapons, such as with a rifle but most commonly with a sniper rifle, to shoot at long range targets

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marksman

So who is the best marksman?

Originally posted by Utrigita
But then you are saying they are "Uber" marksmen, make up your mind.

However that wasn't the point in your argument, I said that Hitman utilized cover, you repeated that HG does to, and now agrees with me that she doesn't, again make up your mind as to what HG actually does.

Add it up.

How did BD = Big Daddy translate into HM = Hitman in your universe? Just out of curiosity.

Utilizing a rifle to shoot a long distance shows you ability to handle weapons etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marksman

So who is the best marksman?

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Hitgirl is clearly the better pistol marksman.

47 did have the scene (2:57-3:06) where he shot all those armored mooks did in the eyes, but that is his only viable expert pistol marksman feat, since all of his other kills consisted of ambushes, sniper, automatic weaponry/grenades, and armor

You guys are arguing about how skilled the mafia mooks are. Watch at 0:39 and 0:50. Those bullets are clearly aimed straight for her face and she consciously moved her head. that counts her as a bullet dodger. She's also agile as shit. 47 got those shots off on those mooks, but they were standing still while shooting at him. How good is he at shooting at a moving target? All she has to do is dodge is bullet and simultaneously make a headshot and she's got this.

bladefight....

Give a minute.....

Originally posted by Lestov16
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Hitgirl is clearly the better pistol marksman.

47 did have the scene (2:57-3:06) where he shot all those armored mooks did in the eyes, but that is his only viable expert pistol marksman feat, since all of his other kills consisted of ambushes, sniper, automatic weaponry/grenades, and armor

but that ain't shit compared to Hit girl's pistol shots in that hallway

You guys are arguing about how skilled the mafia mooks are. Watch at 0:39 and 0:50. Those bullets are clearly aimed straight for her face and she consciously moved her head. that counts her as a bullet dodger. All she has to do is dodge is bullet and simultaneously make a headshot and she's got this.

bladefight....

Give a minute.....

Blade fight? If she has her cable knives or any blade she can throw, HG wins 10/10. If it's her Mindy stick, HM wins 8/10.

she used over 4 clips to shot 9 guys

those head tilts aren't shyt. she did it only what 3 times? not even consecutively 😐.

those goons were not marksmen. did anybody see the paper flying all over the place? they were hitting nothing but books.

47 actually has sense so he'll just wait for her to walk past him & shoot her azz. or they have a shoot out in which she'll lose.

because 1.she used over 4 clips to shot 9 guys (no aim) & she shot guys who were stumbling around in the dark
2. 47 has aim those goons didn't so she'll need to dodge more than just 1 HS at time just.

47 was Hitgirl level trained when he was a kid, if not better. Now he is a man. Math is simple.

One could argue that Hitgirl was a prodigy. But so was 47.

47 in that godawful film took out a bunch of arms dudes in a large open bar. And took everybody down without bothering with cover.