Multiverse fight: Hit-Potter Vs Grammaton Vader

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
If he searched for them ala ESB beginning, (Essentially Force-divining) and he could get to within choking range and kill them, were it not for his perchance for f**king around with lightsabre duals... going by screen feats.

Ah, so now Force choking has limited range? Might wanna take a second to pull your foot outta your mouth.

The question needs to be revised because Yoda and Obi Wan can conceal their presence in the force.

Revision: Episode VI. Let's say at the very beginning, Vader decides to force choke Solo (obviously out of the carbonite) and Calrissian. Could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?

And the same question, but let's say his victims are two people he has never met before. Could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?

Originally posted by Robtard
Basic SW knowledge told to use throughout the films. "Feel with the Force, Luke."

Indeed. Where taking such advice is shown to pay dividends.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That would depend entirely upon how close they were. As you see in ANH, Vader can feel Kenobi's presence unprompted just because the guy is close, and in ROTJ he feels Luke above Endor, again, merely from proximity. However, the universe is far too vast to feel and pinpoint one specific person (in the movies anyway, they do that shit all the time in the EU) across galactic distances.

Also remember that Jedi can blunt each others senses and stuff. See: the Luke vs Vader ROTJ fight.

So the force has limited range. Thank you. Excellent answer. (We will no doubt circle back to this.)

I revised the original question due to a force users ability to conceal their force presence.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ah, so now Force choking has limited range? Might wanna take a second to pull your foot outta your mouth.

The question needs to be revised because Yoda and Obi Wan can conceal their presence in the force.

Revision: Episode VI. Let's say at the very beginning, Vader decides to force choke Solo (obviously out of the carbonite) and Calrissian. Could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?

And the same question, but let's say his victims are two people he has never met before. Could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?

Nope. No mistake by me at all.
Im speculating (And not without great cause to do so) that it could be done from greater distances, but, unlike you, I don't feel that speculation is evidence.

Youre dragging this needless dicking around out, RJ.
He'd have felt they were there, were they of concern to him, then they'd be dead....yes.

Anyway...youre ignoring the various other things that'd seal their fate and masturbate about hypotheticals.

They'd be either sensed via the force, precogged and premptively met at that position and ambushed, all kinds of other shit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So the force has limited range. Thank you. Excellent answer. (We will no doubt circle back to this.)

I revised the original question due to a force users ability to conceal their force presence.

Nope. The force isnt a gun, you fool.

Its the whole galaxy/maybe universe. 🙄

Doing the Flattley dance again? 🙂

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So the force has limited range. Thank you. Excellent answer. (We will no doubt circle back to this.)

I revised the original question due to a force users ability to conceal their force presence.

The Force does not have limited range. Vaders perception of it does. Just as you cannot see everything at once, so too can he not sense everything at once. Force users can sense things from across galactic distances (the destruction of Alderaan, death of the Jedi, Anakin getting angry etc), tehy just don't do this all that time.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. No mistake by me at all.
Im speculating (And not without great cause to do so) that it could be done from greater distances, but, unlike you, I don't feel that speculation is evidence.

Youre dragging this needless dicking around out, RJ.
He'd have felt they were there, were they of concern to him, then they'd be dead....yes.

Anyway...youre ignoring the various other things that'd seal their fate and masturbate about hypotheticals.

They'd be either sensed via the force, precogged and premptively met at that position and ambushed, all kinds of other shit.

Episode VI. Let's say at the very beginning, Vader decides to force choke Solo (obviously out of the carbonite) and Calrissian. Could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?

And the same question, but let's say his victims are two people he has never met before. Could Vader have, right then, right there, have force choked them? Without seeing them? Without knowing where they were?

Anyone?

You're an idiot.

Guess not. Pretty simple yes or no question.

Rock on, Rage Boy.

This is on of those instances where you're clearly wrong about something and just too stubborn to admit it.

Dodging the Force, that's funny.

See,there you go, putting words in my mouth. I said "certain force attacks", not the force in general.

Force choke is easily dodged if one can teleport, apparate, or is as fast as Yulaw/Gabe Law, Hit Girl, Yang, etc.

but when they reappear they'd be force choked 😐

force is just too much

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
but when they reappear they'd be force choked 😐

force is just too much

it needs detailed explanation?

well... HP is standing at point A teleports to point B thus avoids getting choked in point A to be inevitably choked in point B 🙂

see?

No, I don't. As I said, force choke is an aimed attack. It is aimed at the victims windpipe. If the force choke is still being directed where HP was instead of where he is he's fine.

Watch this vid:

YouTube video

Vader force choked dude when he dissed the force. Now, why was the one guy the only one affected? Because the force choke was aimed at him. If the force choke went everywhere, then they would all have been choked.

The FORCE is everywhere, that's a given, BUT that doesn't mean the force choke will follow the victim when he/she teleports or does a YuLaw speed blitz.

BTW, FYI, and definitely FTW, all a teleporter has to do is teleport more than 12 miles away and there's no way Vader force chokes them. The Executor is 19,000 metres (12 mi) in length, and we all know that Vader and Ozzel were on the same ship when Vader force choked him. ✅

Another fact, Manhattan Prison is WAY larger than 12 miles.......

Something to think about.......

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
See,there you go, putting words in my mouth. I said "certain force attacks", not the force in general.

Force choke is easily dodged if one can teleport, apparate, or is as fast as Yulaw/Gabe Law, Hit Girl, Yang, etc.

Teleport/Vanish away, maybe, as I said, who knows. Choke might hold, might not. Really no way to prove it either way.

"Dodged", no, the Force is not like a projectile, dude. Why you continue despite the mound of evidence is what I'm talking about. Stubborn *******.

Originally posted by Robtard
Teleport/Vanish away, maybe, as I said, who knows. Choke might hold, might not. Really no way to prove it either way.

"Dodged", no, the Force is not like a projectile, dude. Why you continue despite the mound of evidence is what I'm talking about. Stubborn *******.

I don't understand what both you don't understand about the other's point.

The force is focused on a small area to make force choke. It's instant. It has no travel time.

This also means that if someone very quickly moves from that small area, the area being focused on becomes empty air. It's TK, not HP magic, so it is directly controlled by the "choker" and doesn't have an auto-pilot that magically follows around the neck.

That said, yes, I agree that someone that teleports would be quickly caught again. A force user has precog and they would easily tell exactly where the teleporter would go to. As long as it was in range, someone like Vader could quickly latch right back onto the throat.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
BTW, FYI, and definitely FTW, all a teleporter has to do is teleport more than 12 miles away and there's no way Vader force chokes them. The Executor is 19,000 metres (12 mi) in length, and we all know that Vader and Ozzel were on the same ship when Vader force choked him. ✅

Another fact, Manhattan Prison is WAY larger than 12 miles.......

Something to think about.......

Alderaan was lightyears away from Kenobi when he felt Alderaan destroyed.
Do you really think that your above post doesnt sound silly/gimpish?

Something to think about.

Originally posted by Robtard
Teleport/Vanish away, maybe, as I said, who knows. Choke might hold, might not. Really no way to prove it either way.

"Dodged", no, the Force is not like a projectile, dude. Why you continue despite the mound of evidence is what I'm talking about. Stubborn *******.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't understand what both you don't understand about the other's point.

The force is focused on a small area to make force choke. It's instant. It has no travel time.

This also means that if someone very quickly moves from that small area, the area being focused on becomes empty air. It's TK, not HP magic, so it is directly controlled by the "choker" and doesn't have an auto-pilot that magically follows around the neck.

That said, yes, I agree that someone that teleports would be quickly caught again. A force user has precog and they would easily tell exactly where the teleporter would go to. As long as it was in range, someone like Vader could quickly latch right back onto the throat.

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