Originally posted by Nephthys
That would be utilising something outside of their own powers, abilities and standard equipment. It would be like Darth Vader calling down a Star Destroyer to help him in a fight. Or Kirk getting beamed up to the Enterprise and then blasting the crap out of the opponent. Or... 🙄 Harry Potter apparating to the ministry, getting some time turners, chilling in the hall of prophecies, sipping some luck potion and then returning to the fight. Teleporting away to get a bomb? That isn't a testamount to the characters strength, but just to some random bombs. [b]It doesn't represent the powers of the character but rather that of the setting they exist in. Besides which 'teleport away, find a bomb, arm it, teleport the bomb, drop it, and win.' That takes waaay too long. If they do that then how the eff is it still even a fight? They'd both change location ( I doubt the opponent would stand there twiddling his thumbs waiting for them to come back 😬 ) so they'd have to actually look for each other, neither of them are in direct physical conrontation and neither of them are actually fighting anymore.Also the word 'retreat' intrinsically denotes a ceaseation of fighting. [/B]
That's a giant strawman.
Forget about the bomb and then what does your point become? Nothing. You have no point. Additionally, why can a bomb not be used? McClane can use anything around him...and no one would complain about that. But all of a sudden, a teleporter cannot use what is within less than a few seconds of their reach? More gimping. 😬
No matter how you try and spin it, restricting a teleporter's range, if it can be used advantageously in a fight, is gimping. There is not debating this matter. Only stalling the inevitable conclusion of you admitting that it's a gimp and not going to fly.
I will call you and anyone else on it as many times as you try and gimp.
No more gimping. Let them use their abilities. Think of other ways to win other than gimping one side.
Additionally, failed analogies still do not change the fact that you guys are coming up with "ring-out" ideas because you have no imagination. Surely you can think of a way to win other than trying to gimp one side's powers by restricting legit movements?
If a character can teleport all the way across the planet and back in less than a few seconds, then restricting them to a very small area is the epitome of gimping. No analogies are needed. Pretending that a failed analogy or comparison makes that point any less valid is just fail.
Maximum range is basically pointless in these fights unless someone (RJ) is going to say that a wizard will apparate to Hogwarts and bring something back. Which is likely outside the OP to begin with.
I'm fine with allowing a wizard to jump on over to China and back in the fight, compared to only allowing them to apparate within the given battle-field(an island, a warehouse etc.). But as I asked RJ and he avoided, how does apparating to China help when it's not used to run away.
Forget about the bomb and then what does your point become? Nothing. You have no point.
I would apply the same resitriction to teleporting away to get anything. It's not about the bomb dude.
Additionally, why can a bomb not be used?
Because it does not represent the actual abilities of teh character but rather the setting in which he is placed. Also it would require him to actively flee from the fight in order to win. That would be like me saying that Vader can take out Hogwarts because he can run away to his Star Destroyer and nuke it from orbit. Obviously that does not mean that Vader is actually >>>> Hogwarts though. Or that McClane can take out Hit-Girl because he can run away and then bomb her house in her sleep.
No matter how you try and spin it, restricting a teleporter's range, if it can be used advantageously in a fight, is gimping. There is not debating this matter. Only stalling the inevitable conclusion of you admitting that it's a gimp and not going to fly.I will call you and anyone else on it as many times as you try and gimp.
No more gimping. Let them use their abilities. Think of other ways to win other than gimping one side.
You can call me whatever you want. The mods are on my side.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Funny, you didn't have a problem with Timecop leaving the battlefield to get a bomb.
How many times do I need to tell you that was a joke thread for people to have a laugh in.
And as I said, I'm fine with your precious wizards teleporting anywhere they can, as it doesn't really matter unless you're going to argue that they'll bring back baby-tears, brooms and such which weren't in the OP. But staying within the given battle-ground is something that's been a rule for some time now; you now this.
Originally posted by RobtardDude, I'd be saying the same thing for any combatant. The fact that it's wizards makes no difference. I learned the hard way about gimping an OP. All combatants should always start out with full powers.
How many times do I need to tell you that was a joke thread for people to have a laugh in.And as I said, I'm fine with your precious wizards teleporting anywhere they can, as it doesn't really matter. But staying within the given battle-ground is something that's been a rule for some time now.
And both combatants not being able to leave a given battle ground isn't a "gimp." It should really be up the the creator though, imo. As I said, I'm fine with Dumbledore teleporting over to Thailand to tickle a slave-boy and long as he does it very quickly during a fight.
These are gimps: Snape can't cast the death-spell, Vader can't Force-crush, Riggs can't do a sloppy spin-kick etc.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah........Question: In the HP movies, are wizards able to apparate across great distances, instantly?
Answer: I think Dumbledore could and overall distance is limited to the strength of the wizard.
Why are you asking me though, you're more of an HP "expert" supposedly? So get to you point.
Originally posted by Robtard
Answer: I think Dumbledore could and overall distance is limited to the strength of the wizard.Why are you asking me though, you're more of an HP "expert" supposedly?
Answer is yes, wizards can apparate over great distances.
Next question: Is confining this power to a certain area, when the wizard can actually apparate anywhere, limiting their powers?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Answer is yes, wizards can apparate over great distances.Next question: Is confining this power to a certain area, when the wizard can actually apparate anywhere, limiting their powers?
AND WE'VE COVERED THIS ALREADY. BEING ABLE TO TELEPORT TO HOWARTS AND BACK SERVES NO PURPOSE UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO ARGUE THAT THEY'LL BRING SOMETHING BACK WITH THEM TO HELP TURN THE FIGHT.
Which is what you're trying to secure, if in a Vs thread you can't argue how any given wizard wins over any given opponent within the confines of the OP, you'll argue something like: "Potter will apparate to Howgarts and heal himself with wizard-tears and bring back a luck potion, lolz, lolz, luck potion FTW!" Which would likely be against the OP.
Again, both combatants being limited to the same battle-ground has been a rule in here for some time.