Originally posted by RagingBoner
No one denies that Ragnos was both powerful and a pimp. I'm not a completely biased douchelike Soranus, but His Imperial Majesty is better.And the ladies love him. Ragnos is just gay.
Ragnos is gay as in filled with joy that Sidious comes to him for advance, usually on his hands and knees.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
No one denies that Ragnos was both powerful and a pimp. I'm not a completely biased douchelike Soranus, but His Imperial Majesty is better.And the ladies love him. Ragnos is just gay.
Yeah, but Palpatine fathered a retarded mutant with 3 eyes. And then named him Triclops. 😐
Player he aint.
Also, the evidence for his lack of creativity and laziness is piling up.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I'm not anyone who's banned, you can be assured of that. I'd call you something unflattering, but with a name like Raging Boner, I think it's obvious you're compensating for something.
I drive a Honda Accord and it's really small, so I'm compensating for that. haermm
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So because George Dubya Bush came to power and made a country more militant than it was, a country which outnumbered say, ancient Rome and was technologically more advanced (meaning Dubya's boys could pwn ancient Rome), this makes Dubya more accomplished and martially have more prowess than Julius Caesar?Does not compute.
While I am profoundly insulted that you dare compare His Imperial Majesty to George W. Bush, I will remain civil and awesome enough to address you. Mark A. Ragnos was confined to the galaxy's backwater; that he was the strongest and dominant Sith Lord of his time does not make him a scholar. We haven't a clue what he studied, how often he fought, or the nature of the fights themselves. What we do know is that he was cunning and manipulative throughout his reign, pitting rivals against one another (the Essential Guide to the Force) and that he was confined to the technology and knowledge of his aforementioned backwater empire -- but you can't even tell me how much of a scholar he was.
Meanwhile, the true badass in this equation sought the galaxy for all sorts of Force-related arcana and knowledge, specifically for study. You haven't the means to conclusively assert Mark's dominance even if you wanted.
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Ghost Ragnos doesn't have legs, dude. He can't kneel or be pushed over chairs with ease.
But he can be effortlessly crushed by a neophyte Jedi Knight.
😐
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You're not talking about me, so I'll accept that you tried to be objective once.
Are you sure I'm not talking about you?
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I'd say Coleman Trebor could beat him if it'd keep you and Lightsnake reeling in terror. Sometimes, I just have to be spiteful to find any joy at KMC. And the over-reaction justifies the act.
There is no over-reaction, there is only the Force.
fvck you
bbl Soranus. luv u
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Originally posted by RagingBoner
I drive a Honda Accord and it's really small, so I'm compensating for that. haermm
Evil foreign car driver! That's un-American.
While I am profoundly insulted that you dare compare His Imperial Majesty to George W. Bush, I will remain civil and awesome enough to address you. Mark A. Ragnos was confined to the galaxy's backwater; that he was the strongest and dominant Sith Lord of his time does not make him a scholar.
We haven't a clue what he studied,
Sith alchemy, Sith sorcery. The Dark Side. Have you read Golden Age of the Sith?
how often he fought,
He ruled undisputed for over a century in a martial society which advocated disposing of your leader when he grew weak. Even on his deathbed, no one disposed of Ragnos he was so strong. As a ghost, they knelt before him and feared him, heeding his will. Simus, the one he beat to become king, was powerful enough to live for a century as a head, a feat more or less not duplicated later in the saga. Exar Kun, who defied the Jedi Order and betrayed Freedan Nadd, knelt before Ragnos and was given his title without complaint or attempt to destroy. Freedan Nadd who made his own dark side order, considered Ragnos above him. Kreia considers his grasp of the Dark Side "frightening". This is a woman who ate her lunchables with Nihilus and Sion; the former ate planets and the latter could not be physically destroyed so long as he was fueled by hate.
or the nature of the fights themselves.
Occam's Razor suggests that we ought to take the implication at face value, instead of applying "supposes" to it. Ragnos ruled the Sith in their Golden Age, keeping his opponents from destroying him for a hundred years (more than Sidious' generation, and Sidious didn't even have an empire's worth of Dark Siders to keep tabs on!). If you want to imply that he fought them all from orbit using nukes, go right ahead. It's baseless.
What we do know is that he was cunning and manipulative throughout his reign, pitting rivals against one another (the Essential Guide to the Force)
Which means he's strong and smart enough to stave off defeat for a hundred years. How is this bad? Do you think he kept the other Sith from beheading him by being them in a game of Checkers? Telling their mommies? Was he the gangster who paid Bruno to send Vinny into the drink?
and that he was confined to the technology and knowledge of his aforementioned backwater empireAt this era, even the Jedi did not have wireless lightsabers. This point is moot.
-- but you can't even tell me how much of a scholar he was.
Gee, he made a Sceptre which does all sorts of nifty things. He must have totally pulled that out of the Sith Local Library. I bet everyone had them. It was like a ****ing Sith Hogwart's.
Meanwhile, the true badass in this equation sought the galaxy for all sorts of Force-related arcana and knowledge, specifically for study. You haven't the means to conclusively assert Mark's dominance even if you wanted.
Que?
But he can be effortlessly crushed by a neophyte Jedi Knight.
Considering it took tons of Force power to attempt to resurrect him, that's telling in itself. Inhabiting Tavion's weak body did not equate to Ragnos in the flesh. There's no way to indicate how great the difference was; I'd argue that considering it took several planets' worth of Force power nexuses to even try to resurrect him, that's just friggin' sick.
Are you sure I'm not talking about you?
You wouldn't be so foolish as to assume I'm being anything less than open-minded. I have yet to write a full essay on the power of Dooku, Revan, or Ragnos.
There is no over-reaction, there is only the Force.fvck you
Rofl.
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Evil foreign car driver! That's un-American.
I am the SenateAmerica.
SYes it does.
No, it doesn't. Drafting an epistle doesn't make one a scholar, it makes one a writer. When we see evidence of Mark masterminding something like this, I'll be impressed.
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Sith alchemy, Sith sorcery. The Dark Side. Have you read Golden Age of the Sith?
Specifically what, though? And to what extent? Where are the sources, quotes, and feats that testify to Mark's undeniable scholarly brilliance in the ways of the Force?
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He ruled undisputed for over a century in a martial society which advocated disposing of your leader when he grew weak. Even on his deathbed, no one disposed of Ragnos he was so strong. As a ghost, they knelt before him and feared him, heeding his will. Simus, the one he beat to become king, was powerful enough to live for a century as a head, a feat more or less not duplicated later in the saga. Exar Kun, who defied the Jedi Order and betrayed Freedan Nadd, knelt before Ragnos and was given his title without complaint or attempt to destroy. Freedan Nadd who made his own dark side order, considered Ragnos above him. Kreia considers his grasp of the Dark Side "frightening". This is a woman who ate her lunchables with Nihilus and Sion; the former ate planets and the latter could not be physically destroyed so long as he was fueled by hate.
"Once he gained control of the Sith Empire, he maintained dominance by pitting his detractors against one another, manipulating them into challenging him, or simply assassinating them." -- The Dark Side Sourcebook, page 69.
Fighting his rivals was only one of the ways that Mark maintained his dominance, Soranus. We have no idea how often he indulged in one-on-one combat to cement his superiority.
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Occam's Razor suggests that we ought to take the implication at face value, instead of applying "supposes" to it. Ragnos ruled the Sith in their Golden Age, keeping his opponents from destroying him for a hundred years (more than Sidious' generation, and Sidious didn't even have an empire's worth of Dark Siders to keep tabs on!). If you want to imply that he fought them all from orbit using nukes, go right ahead. It's baseless.
It's not baseless, given the above source. He relied on assassination and manipulation as well. If you don't like it, take it up with the source.
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Which means he's strong and smart enough to stave off defeat for a hundred years. How is this bad? Do you think he kept the other Sith from beheading him by being them in a game of Checkers? Telling their mommies? Was he the gangster who paid Bruno to send Vinny into the drink?
It's not bad, in the same way that Palpatine's political brilliance isn't bad. But you seem to be under the impression that Mark was entering the fray left and right, kicking ass and taking names like some sort of Sith!Dwayne Johnson, which isn't supported by the source material.
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At this era, even the Jedi did not have wireless lightsabers. This point is moot.
wut?
There are other Force-using sects out there than just Mark's Sith empire. Palpatine made an effort to study all of them. Point unmooted.
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Gee, he made a Sceptre which does all sorts of nifty things. He must have totally pulled that out of the Sith Local Library. I bet everyone had them. It was like a ****ing Sith Hogwart's.
Gee, why would he make such a scepter if he could do that shit on his own? By your reckoning, Palpatine can obliterate planets singlehandedly because he commissioned the construction of the Death Star.
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Que?
The Dark Empire Sourcebook mentions how Palpatine expended great effort and resource to collect Force knowledge across the galaxy, a luxury that Mark didn't share.
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Considering it took tons of Force power to attempt to resurrect him, that's telling in itself. Inhabiting Tavion's weak body did not equate to Ragnos in the flesh. There's no way to indicate how great the difference was; I'd argue that considering it took several planets' worth of Force power nexuses to even try to resurrect him, that's just friggin' sick.
Eh? According to Luke, reanimating dead cells (to resurrect a body) requires a "high enough concentration of Force energy" (26:39). Not because Mark is some sort of cosmic Sith badass.
But then, it took the effort of every Jedi "who came before [Luke Skywalker]" to keep Palpatine's spirit trapped in limbo, so would you consider that a measure of great power?
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You wouldn't be so foolish as to assume I'm being anything less than open-minded. I have yet to write a full essay on the power of Dooku, Revan, or Ragnos.
I'm afraid the dark side of the Forceintense jealousy is clouding your vision, my friend.
Spoiler:
You would if you could.
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Rofl.
That's right, you roll on that floor. You belong at my feet!
But then, it took the effort of every Jedi "who came before [Luke Skywalker]" to keep Palpatine's spirit trapped in limbo, so would you consider that a measure of great power?
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I though Jedi became one with the force when they died. Do they keep their consciousness? Because that doesn't make sense. Only those who can become spirits can keep their individuality. At least thats what I thought.
Or does Star Wars have a heaven now?
Originally posted by Nephthys
🤨I though Jedi became one with the force when they died. Do they keep their consciousness? Because that doesn't make sense. Only those who can become spirits can keep their individuality. At least thats what I thought.
Or does Star Wars have a heaven now?
I'm pretty sure all Jedi become "one with the Force" when they die; they vanish into the energy field and literally become part of it. Certain Jedi who know certain techniques are able to maintain their identity and separate themselves from it, like Yoda, Qui-Gon Jinn, etc.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Then how do they have the ability to consciously exert the effort to block Palpatine? Unless hes just being held back by just Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon and Anakin.Which would make sense imo. mmm
I'm hunting the scan for you now, but Wookieepedia has the full line: "Luke…Palpatine will die with me. He will never return. The Force—and all the Jedi who went before us... will make sure of that. Goodbye, my friend."