Originally posted by SamZED
Wasnt even talking about this video. Not the first time I have a similar debate with you and again you're trying to dismiss something you dont like when there's no reason to. Nevermind, its old and off-topic.
Sam, I don't even recall the last time I've debated with you. If it is you trying to pulll a rabit out of your crack (IE: trying to pull inconclusive feats out of your @$$) then yes, it's the same old shit... And like before, your still not providing anything.
Originally posted by SamZED
No. Im sorry DZ I DON'T have to provide any reasons. As pretty much everything you said is an assumption. "Jin was never out"?, "Why not send his people?", "Why act so arrogant"?, "Why attack Kazuya"? Sorry but that's grasping at straws, you're basically questioniong the video being canon going by what in your opinion a real-life war should look like. The tournament never starts imediately after being announced. There could be gazillion reasons why Jin ended up on that highway and more than enough time for it to happen. And just because you personally disagree with the way Jin (a videogame character) acted in that particular situation doesnt make it any less legit.
Are you serious? Your the one trying to admit faulty logic as evidence and now your copping out. If you can't explain it, then just say so... Seriously, Corroborate the feat or GTFO. It's not oppinion as much as it is carefully deduced chain of events. Ok, now you've raised more claims, here we go again...
#1: Prove that the announcement of the tournament was not immediate as was said during both Kazuya and Jin's prologues.
#2: If Jin is aware that there is a price on his head, and made the announcement based on that fact, then why oh why did he charge out on his own to G-Tek, nearly get charblasted by rocket artillery, then charge up the tower despite all his plans to the contrary to awaken Azazel... This point is actually VERY IMPORTANT. he stated as such during the story mode. Why would he risk getting killed, or killing Kazuya for that matter before Azazel's resurrection? He had been aware of Azazel ever since Tekken 5, so any excuse you could conjure would defy this fact, as in Jin's entire reason for starting the war would be completely null and void by this one action.
Originally posted by SamZED
It does actually. Perfectly. It's a small sample of the story described in the prologue. But you're entitled to your opinion ofcourse. But dont be surprised if its brought up in every tekken thread as canon evidence. Because as far as I know you're the only one who even questions it being canon.
Perfectly my ass, read above.... Either you havn't beaten the campaign mode, or your trying VERY hard to lie through your teeth. And I don't particularly care if I am alone in voicing my point, ad-populem is hardly a substitute for being correct.
Originally posted by SamZED
What do you mean by using it as a metaphore? And why shouldnt I use it as a legit feat? Look what we have so far:
In prologue it's said: Kazuya and Jin are at war and Jin has a bounty on his head.
In the video we see: Exactly that - Kazuya and Jin being at war and Jin with a bounty on his head.
Why should I assume it's not canon?
While you for some reason believe that one has nothing to do with the other.
Read above, specifically point 2, you have not taken any context into account when trying to summarise the story, it goes a hell of a lot deeper than your stating. You should try a little harder next time. If the video contradicts higher canon, then it is disreguarded unless coroborated.
Originally posted by SamZED
Im not asking you to prove a negative, I said that if you're gonna question it being canon there better be reasons to do so. And I dont see any. You want me to prove the feat happened? Open youtube and watch the video, that's the proof. The fact that it is there and the fact that it fits the storyline, while not controdicting it in any way should be enough for everybody. What you're asking for arent proofs. You want me to show you the punch being mentioned in a prologue and saying you wont accept it otherwise. Which is a ridiculous request.
You are not reading what I said, either that, or it's selective reading... I said, prove the feat happened IN STORY! It DOES NOT fit the story, and contadicts major events despite your protestations. Counter my points above and you may have a case. If G-Tek HQ was damaged during a fistfight before the tournament started, but after the announcement would have been mentioned in at least one prologue. It wasn't. Why should we assume then that the event happened? It's out of character, it's uncoroborated, and it doesn't fit the story or the timeline.
I will now wait to see what excuse you'll pull out of thin air next....
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Shin Gouki, would be defeated by the Shin Evil Ryu present in AE. So I don't think Gouki is too much for ANY SF to handle. Unless he transforms into the Kuruoshiki Oni.
That I'm not too sure of. Normal Gouki is still in the highest tier, and is well beyond ordinary fighters.
Remember, this isn't Gouki, Shin Gouki, Patella Gouki, or any of that, this is Akuma. And since Akuma is the American name for Gouki Akuma is, naturally, a lot weaker than Gouki.
Now that I've finished trolling, I can say that Akuma's power is pretty much limitless, but lets just say for a moment he has the same power as he does in most of the games (Air Hadouken, Shin Goku Satsu, low health, etc.) Then the match might be even (hey I'm only looking at it from a title perspective here, and not a post perspective). But since you guys talk about power levels and chi levels so much it kinda nullifies what the topic is about.
To the OP: You really have awoken the fanboys.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
True, that "He's a GOD" is a bunch of nonsense and I can understand why the average Joe does it, but Mortals beat gods all the time in fiction, there's a difference between the capital "G" God and the lowercase "g" god.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
To all of those who are saying Akuma could but wouldnt..I am not asking if someone would or will I am asking if they CAN. I am asking if it is stated that Akuma or Ryu could destroy the planet. I love tekken, I enjoy street fighter...I was simply wondering if there are characters on both ends that can destroy the planet.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That I'm not too sure of. Normal Gouki is still in the highest tier, and is well beyond ordinary fighters.
It is said in the SFIV developers blog that K.Oni and Evil Ryu are meant to be beyond the current bosses of SFIV. Hence the "X Factor glow" being constantly active.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Shin Gouki, would be defeated by the Shin Evil Ryu present in AE. So I don't think Gouki is too much for ANY SF to handle. Unless he transforms into the Kuruoshiki Oni.
And SamZED, don't argue with the diehard fan who's bias is nothing short of stupendous. You know you're right about the event being possible (does not contradict T6 story, despite DZ's noise) and a perfect display of Kazuya and Jin's power.
To start, lol @ Lars legitimately beating Azazel and lol @ Akuma being above everyone in Tekkenverse, one-on-one or otherwise.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
I think I'm more or less getting opinions. A friend of mine is a long time street fighter fan, and says that Ryu could scrape any character from tekken.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
So I possed what would happen if Jin and Kazuya fought Ryu and Akuma. My argument was that despite Ryu and Akuma being powerful, both Jin and Kazuya have the power to destroy the entire planet, and that ryu and Akuma can not top that level of destruction.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
Seeing as Jin's grandfather Jinpachi when Jin defeats him, grants jin his power(This being cannon ending of dark resurection) Jin now literly has the power to at will destroy everything on the planet. Kazuya has this latent as well from being of the same power.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
However it was mentioned in an interview with Katsuhiro Harada (I beleive it was) That The older generation of Jin's family has greater power tapped inside however it is harder to reach the full potential.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
Not to mention Jin has killed a god, and that the lable for the strongest street fighter I know of would be at the level of demon or demi god at most never a full blown god. If I am wrong would someone please correct me?
Originally posted by samirerre
against AKUMA !???
boy you will woke up the fan boys
if you wont watch out
Originally posted by BloodRain
Akuma is is above anyone in Tekken, but would like to see this Jin/Kazuya planet destroying power just in case.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
You say that, but (and I may be wrong) Didnt ryu beat Akuma at some late ponit yet?
Originally posted by zuleselkie
I guess I use the end example as this, Jin and Kazuya have killed GODS...and in terms of power comparison and standards no one in the street fighter relm has been a god. The world destroying power they hold is exampled. Ofcoruse they dont show it because if they didnt there wouldnt be an iron first tournement anymore yet if you take the end result of the depth of each individuals power it would come down to that.
On another note, Akuma means "devil" in Japanese also, but he isn't second, third, or fourth to God, just like Devil Kazuya or Ogre aren't. They are glamorous titles given by the companies. It's the same thing with designs. Namco made Azazel look like an over-sized chicken but we all know he's virtually the strongest Tekken being, and WAY stronger than a chicken.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
Albeit most fighters in tekken are normal fighters with no fantastic means other then humanly strength.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
Yet you have those like Lee, Kazuya, Jin, Heihaichi, Jinpachi, Ogre, Jun, And then there is Dragunov who has power above almost any known human and is able to content with "Devil" jin as is his mission to capture him by the russian command.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
I realize many fanboys will tell me how I am dead wrong that Ryu alone could take on everyone in tekken..as a few of my own friends say this. Yet I am not doubting the power of any character in Street fighter.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
I am simply saying that I beleive the max destructive power of Jin and his family members beats out that of Akuma or ryu or any other character in Street fighter.
Originally posted by BloodRain
There isnt a canon scene where Ryu beats Akuma that Im aware of.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Wait if they've never demonstrated planet level power where are you getting that idea from?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Ryu couldnt defeat the top tier of Tekken verse, but the likes of Akuma can.
Originally posted by BloodRain
YouTube video
0:35 Akuma charges a punch that sinks a small island. Thats strength above anyone in Tekken.
Originally posted by BloodRain
YouTube video
If I remember right Devil Jin was capable of something on this level, right? If so the destructive powers are on par,
Check 0:15YouTube video
Originally posted by BloodRain
but top tier SF fighters are physically stronger and more durable.
Originally posted by crimson_2010
Orly? Sorry to bother you but did you see jinpachi's ending? have you read azazel's profile? did you see Devil jin tk5 ending? they all demonstrated power that can destroy the entire planet. I love sf characters but don't underestimate tekken cast.
Originally posted by crimson_2010
as for the match, it could go either way, Kazuya and Ryu seems equal to me, Jin has demonstrated that he can go toe toe with the like of Akuma (well he defeated Ogre, Heihachi, Devil Jinpachi and Azazel).
Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
Since Gouki is in the fight, the "Street Fighter team" wins.
Originally posted by StyleTime
It can't go either way. Ryu might have a harder time, but Akuma is going to kick their asses.
Originally posted by Phanteros
Akuma takes this in a bloody stomp. In the Udon comics(cannon I think) Akuma mashed a meteorite that was about to crash into the earth, and if it isn't, well he still has his island busting feat.
Originally posted by samirerre
if akuma can do that then he is stronger then all tekken+sf cast toghether,seariusly i miss the days where street fighter was actual
street fighters and not dragon ball z wannabi,the only one i can see take him down now is orochi himself
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
With Oni Akuma introduced, I wonder what other ridiculous things he can do now? I wouldn't be surprised if he was on DBZ level now.But yeah, it also pisses me off how SF went from deep, serious martial arts to "ultra super powerful attacks" mess.
Originally posted by unrealman
Capcom fighting Jam ending is not cannon.how powerful is Gouki? let's just saying that Kenshiro can still kick all their butts singal handly.
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Originally posted by crimson_2010
Well in Raven storymode, its said Jinpachi full power can destroy the world, the proof is there : *click quote to see links in this post*
I don't see the feat where Akuma can do such a thing, would you give me a proof?Azazel is a demonic world destroyer, his ressurection would mean the end of the world except if someone who get the devil gene kick his ass.
Originally posted by crimson_2010
*click quote to see links in this post*
this vid shows what Jin and Kazuya can rly do with a power punch. Well Akuma will have a hard time against these two.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hyperbole is fun right? I mean it's not like Lars didn't beat his shit in at all right? Demonstrated power is relevant, not conjecture by fallible characters. Nobody knew what Azazel could have or could not have done. He had ample time to execute his plot, and yet got his shit kicked in royally.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
AHAHAHAHAAA! Your relying on an intro video thats meant to glamorise the characters?! No man.... That event never happened in Tekken's storyline at all.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I've lost count how many times I have refuted these points over the years.... 🙁
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Akuma decimating and cratering a forest with nothing but the recoil from this attack.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
and are all official to Gouki's storyline,
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
not glamorised intros or conjecture by other characters.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Are we in another capcom hating phase? It comes and goes every few years.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Jinpachi's ending is non canon (as is Devil Jin's), and his ending does not explicitly state that he destroyed the planet, just that he affected it in some way. Most likely wiped out all life over the course of months.
Azazel also is likely a life-wiper on the same, and he didn't exactly demonstrate any sort of planet-destroying power. He also got owned by Lars.Akuma could destroy the entire planet if he wanted. He obviously wouldn't do it in one shot, but he could still do it. He's still more powerful than anyone in the Tekken cast.
Originally posted by StyleTime
That isn't canon, but you are right; Akuma is above them regardless.
Originally posted by StyleTime
I want to help you understand though. In this type of argument, you use "feats" to prove your case. "Feats" are, ideally, indisputable examples of your character's abilities. If you can't show a someone destroying the world, we generally assume he/she can't. The same goes for Azazel or Jinpachi. As of now, they were just potentially powerful beings who got beat by humans.
Originally posted by StyleTime
On the other hand, we actually saw Akuma destroy an island. This is well beyond any Tekken character's destructive capacity, so we rank Akuma higher than Jin and Kazuya.
Originally posted by StyleTime
We're not mean people, but we want you to understand why your argument can't work. I hate pulling the "You can trust me because I don't like the guy I'm arguing for" card, but.....I am not an Akuma fan and I still think he wins. I actually like Tekken more than Street Fighter, but Akuma's feats speak for themselves. He'd wreck anyone in Tekken along with 90% of my favorite characters from other fighting games.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Honestly, I think this is an example of someone who is just new to this. Outside of internet debate forums, most people would probably accept "Dude. He's a GOD. He wins!" Heck, I used to do it myself. I knew the denotation of the word "feat", but I didn't apply it like we do here.
Originally posted by SamZED
On-topic, its pretty much what everybody else says. Akuma is too much for any Tekken or SF character to handle in h2h.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It did? When? And if so, then what was Jin's point of wanting the two to clash before either was ready? That pretty much destroys the validity of his entire story in Tekken 6, including Lars's speech.Sorry mate, but I'll take the actual story arch over the intro which is glamorised and has no place in the actual story.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroAnd SF prologues talk about a big rock splitting, kicking a ship from an ocean and shooting a beam into the sky now rofl2? Remind me later to drop Comedy Central.
It covers a war... a WAR, Not Jin charging into G-Corp tower like a lunatic alone. That never happened, not in anyone's story. Like I said, glamorised introduction. It's hardly the same thing as the Tekken 5 intro, because at least some of the events in that are corroborated in the story.. I am pretty sure Jin and Kaz dropping G-Corp towers in a fistfight would have been mentioned somewhere in the characters stories somewhere, but no....Is it now? Well then, can you demonstrate when it took place? Can you find me anything to corroborate or substantiate the feat? Gouki at least has that.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Even if it is canon does it really matter? Its not their best destructive feat and is hard to gauge as a strength feat, or is below strength already shown.
Originally posted by zuleselkie
I honestly did not Believe that it would become this level of a debate, I had simply asked if they CAN destroy the planet. To all of those who are saying Akuma could but wouldnt..I am not asking if someone would or will I am asking if they CAN. I am asking if it is stated that Akuma or Ryu could destroy the planet. This being said, I would also note that in Tekken it HAS been mentioned that one with the devil gene can destroy the earth, not wipe our mankind not change the earth forever(As in Jinpachi's ending) As in destroy the entire planet. As to the argument of cannon or not, the thing is jinpachi's ending is not cannon to the story but is still an outcome that would have happened and thus showing that it COULD have happened. Just because somthing DIDNT doesnt mean it COULDNT. It has even been mentioned before that the dragon ball movies despite not beign Cannon COULD have happened had events folded out that way. Look at broly for example, the movies arnt Cannon, but had events built up as such, they also would have ended as such would they not? Also in adress to the street fighter and tekken fans alike let us not forget that for combat purposes the fighters will verry obviously be on equal grounds in the game, but let us not get TOO far out of hand with these arguments because there are characters such as The Hulk, and Doomsday, Superman, Dante, Itachi characters that could most take down many if not every character from both relms at once. The Hulk and Dante being unable to die(Or stay dead) Superman doomsday and Itachi being of such power in either physical or other means that they can cap out others easily. And then there would be Broly, Goku, Vegeta...those characters that would Look upon Jin and Akuma alike and go "Really?....No...Just no." And utterly break them in two. I love tekken, I enjoy street fighter...I was simply wondering if there are characters on both ends that can destroy the planet. Twas all. I apreciate the number of responses though, didnt think it would build up so fast.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
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Going to ignore your later post(s) since they basically regurgitate this crap.
Originally posted by SamZED
Wasnt even talking about this video. Not the first time I have a similar debate with you and again you're trying to dismiss something you dont like when there's no reason to. Nevermind, its old and off-topic.No. Im sorry DZ I DON'T have to provide any reasons. As pretty much everything you said is an assumption. "Jin was never out"?, "Why not send his people?", "Why act so arrogant"?, "Why attack Kazuya"? Sorry but that's grasping at straws, you're basically questioniong the video being canon going by what in your opinion a real-life war should look like. The tournament never starts imediately after being announced. There could be gazillion reasons why Jin ended up on that highway and more than enough time for it to happen. And just because you personally disagree with the way Jin (a videogame character) acted in that particular situation doesnt make it any less legit.
It does actually. Perfectly. It's a small sample of the story described in the prologue. But you're entitled to your opinion ofcourse. But dont be surprised if its brought up in every tekken thread as canon evidence. Because as far as I know you're the only one who even questions it being canon.
What do you mean by using it as a metaphore? And why shouldnt I use it as a legit feat? Look what we have so far:
In prologue it's said: Kazuya and Jin are at war and Jin has a bounty on his head.
In the video we see: Exactly that - Kazuya and Jin being at war and Jin with a bounty on his head.
Why should I assume it's not canon?
While you for some reason believe that one has nothing to do with the other.Im not asking you to prove a negative, I said that if you're gonna question it being canon there better be reasons to do so. And I dont see any. You want me to prove the feat happened? Open youtube and watch the video, that's the proof. The fact that it is there and the fact that it fits the storyline, while not controdicting it in any way should be enough for everybody. What you're asking for arent proofs. You want me to show you the punch being mentioned in a prologue and saying you wont accept it otherwise. Which is a ridiculous request.
Originally posted by elfirrepins
Remember, this isn't Gouki, Shin Gouki, Patella Gouki, or any of that, this is Akuma. And since Akuma is the American name for Gouki Akuma is, naturally, a lot weaker than Gouki.Now that I've finished trolling, I can say that Akuma's power is pretty much limitless, but lets just say for a moment he has the same power as he does in most of the games (Air Hadouken, Shin Goku Satsu, low health, etc.) Then the match might be even (hey I'm only looking at it from a title perspective here, and not a post perspective). But since you guys talk about power levels and chi levels so much it kinda nullifies what the topic is about.
To the OP: You really have awoken the fanboys.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Seems some members here hate how powerful SF characters are. Jealousy maybe? It's just a game.
-LF
Typo Fixing
Corrections from my last post:
Originally posted by Lethal Force
Tell me one strength feat of Akuma that ranks higher than Feng Wei's best.HisAkuma's strongest (quantifiable, and unconfirmed) feat is splitting Ayers Rock in 4 / 5 sections. Feng Wei’s in comparison is busting amolten rock of epic proportions, and arun-of-the-mill mountain into countless pieces which he was then levitating with his power. To suggest Akuma is "too much" for even the top of the top tiers of Tekken is crazy.
Originally posted by Lethal Force
Yes, lol @ that being against Jin's personality. You (DZ, not SamZED) mean how Jin went from being poster boy to straight up cocky and ambitious almost immediately after T5? Heck, what he says in his T6 win poses is confirmation of said personality change, and what’s this shit about risking his life? You mean how he casually dodged the shit out of everything in that trailer, wrecked Kazuya’s soldiers and held his own fine against Kazuya himself? Yup, his life’swas on the ropes there mate.
What?! Ryu never beat Gouki. The amount of socks and noobs lately is astounding. And the socks have gotten worse. Being away for while should make you less brainless, hateful, and clueless.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterHmmm, very fishy.
Was I even talking to you? Or about you?
Originally posted by Lethal Force
No proof the new "Oni" is Akuma unless you have it. On other sites and Capcom Unity people are revealing there's no evidence linking the two, and it'd be pointless considering he’s done nothing above regular Akuma.
The creators of the game have stated that Kuruoshiki Oni is Gouki and was created to be at a level beyond Shin Gouki. He also rips off his prayer beads in his fight intro.
-Kuruoshiki Oni (which I shall translate as Batshit-Insane Oni) was created to be beyond Shin Akuma
Even though I'm certain you're a sock, you should still take my advice. Do your research before you attempt to participate in any discussions.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
What?! Ryu never beat Gouki. The amount of socks and noobs lately is astounding. And the socks have gotten worse. Being away for while should make you less brainless, hateful, and clueless.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Hmmm, very fishy.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
The creators of the game have stated that Kuruoshiki Oni is Gouki and was created to be at a level beyond Shin Gouki. He also rips off his prayer beads in his fight intro.http://shoryuken.com/content/ssf4-developer-s-blog-details-oni-4194/
Even though I'm certain you're a sock, you should still take my advice. Do your research before you attempt to participate in any discussions.
From your own link:
CHARACTER INTRODUCTION
-Kuruoshiki Oni (which I shall translate as Batshit-Insane Oni) was created to be beyond Shin Akuma
-Created using Akuma as a base, but because of his different appearance, techniques, properties, etc., he's pretty much an entirely different character
Being "beyond" Shin Akuma doesn't mean it's the same person. If, for example, there's a character stronger than S. Akuma, they he can be dubbed "beyond Shin Akuma" as well, and it fits the entirety of the quote, and even if that's now miraculously the same character with the evidence against you, I highly doubt it would be canon and thus not valid in the match (thread starter didn't use Oni).
I don't post without doing research beforehand, like right now for example.
By the way LOL @ troll points durlaugh
Originally posted by Leafhopper
Troll points:
Ono - 17989
Harada - 5
Originally posted by Lethal Force
So saying what apparently happened in Ryu's Alpha 2 ending makes someone those correct 🙄? And I was just countering the "lol Lars defeated Azazel" bs. No need to blow off your top. It's fiction.He more or less seemed to be referring to all on one side. Why you're taking these things personally, is what's fishy.
Do you read your own sources?
From your own link:
Being "beyond" Shin Akuma doesn't mean it's the same person. If, for example, there's a character stronger than S. Akuma, they he can be dubbed "beyond Shin Akuma" as well, and it fits the entirety of the quote, and even if that's now miraculously the same character with the evidence against you, I highly doubt it would be canon and thus not valid in the match (thread starter didn't use Oni).
I don't post without doing research beforehand, like right now for example.
But Ryu did not win in A2. 😕 You have less that 20 posts. Why are you so angry and hostile?
I didn't get that from his statement. And I'm just saying, your reaction was strange. I don't know how that's personal.
The points below the first statement are very clearly talking about gameplay. That is VERY obvious. He takes off Gouki's beads before every fight, has the same voice as Gouki, and uses Ansatsuken. My point in posting that was to show that he is stronger than Shin, which you said he was not.
It is still very clear you didn't do your research and lack enough knowledge to positively contribute to this discussion. I wish you well before your ban.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
But Ryu did not win in A2. 😕 You have less that 20 posts.
Why are you so angry and hostile?
I didn't get that from his statement. And I'm just saying, your reaction was strange. I don't know how that's personal.The points below the first statement are very clearly talking about gameplay. That is VERY obvious. He takes off Gouki's beads before every fight, has the same voice as Gouki, and uses Ansatsuken. My point in posting that was to show that he is stronger than Shin, which you said he was not.
It is still very clear you didn't do your research and lack enough knowledge to positively contribute to this discussion.
I think the problem with some like C-M is whenever someone posts his or her opinion that Tekken or (insert some fighting verse that isn't KoF) can match SF in cases, that some automatically assume their's SF hate. That's not the case, like with me for example. Why would I, for example, hate one of the first series I've gotten into (i.e. became a fan of) since 15 years ago? Doesn't make sense.
So what if he has the same voice, so is Hercule from Dragon Ball Heihachi now because they have the same voice? Is KH Sephiroth the same as FF7 Sephiroth because "lol they have the same voice" (and no, I'm not being hostile now either, just posting this way since it humors me)? And saying he uses Ansatsuken isn't a good argument. There are several who use it, and Oni's style is a lot closer to Gouken's than Gouki's, hinting he's probably another dark student of Gouken's (for all we know, so it's just a thought).
That's your opinion though. It may or may not be referring to gameplay. Heck, as I've explained, being "beyond Shin Akuma" does not have to mean it's the same dude. If you or I was stronger than S. Akuma then we can be called "beyond S. Akuma", so for all we know this is what the author meant, thus there's no concrete evidence to establish Oni = Akuma in a greater form, and I said he wasn't stronger in terms of demonstrated capabilities, which is what we go off of nowadays.
Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
I wish you well before your ban
Originally posted by Lethal Force
What's my post count have to do with this, and I wasn't hostile. You don't want to see what me being "hostile" is. 😄
I'm just saying you haven't been around long enough to be so mad at everyone who likes SF/Capcom.
Originally posted by Lethal Force
I think the problem with some like C-M is whenever someone posts his or her opinion that Tekken or (insert some fighting verse that isn't KoF) can match SF in cases, that some automatically assume their's SF hate. That's not the case, like with me for example. Why would I, for example, hate one of the first series I've gotten into (i.e. became a fan of) since 15 years ago? Doesn't make sense.
But he wasn't directing that comment at you. The members he was referring to, ARE haters. And what's sad is, the haters are making the threads, they like to pick fights. The fact that you just joined and reacted so violently towards a comment made before you registered just seems like a bad look on multiple fronts.
Originally posted by Lethal Force
Silliness about Oni not being Gouki
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/character.html
Roughly translated by Vasili
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Onigami to Pierce the Heavens
The having continued consequence of being exposed to "satsui no hadou", Gouki's appearance transfigured to one completely not of a person. Already now for the flesh and sentiment as a human being almost unremaining, with just a consciousness toward pure-like combat is retaining his shape. For the one who stood before that, to fight entirely the limit of desperate effort maybe, only the option of giving up to die perhaps is not being granted.
Name: Kyouoshiki Oni
Represented nation: unknown
Birthday: unknown
Height: unknown
Weight: unknown
BWH sizes: unknown
Blood type: unknown
Likes: unknown
Dislikes: unknown
Special skill: unknown
Fighting style: noneUltras include the tenchi soukaigen and the meido gou hadou which has two alternate forms: the messatsu gou zankuu and the messatsu goutenha, and new sure-kill techniques include the gourai hadouken (the only "gou" matching with Goutetsu's name, all others are the same as in Gouki's), the zankuu hadoushou, the akaboshi jiraiken, and the rakan dantoujin. And because it was previously asked and now answerable, his uppercut which looks like a shin shoryuken is named the gou shoryuken.
Okay, I believe I'm caught up now..
Now please. Stop.
Originally posted by Lethal Force
So what you're getting at is, anyone who disagrees with you is banworthy? Sorry you didn't explain this part well.
Not that I have anything against you, but it's clear are a sock account of a member who was previously banned more than once already. That is why I can foresee that your stay here may, very well, be cut short.