Jin and Kazuya Vs Ryu and Akuma Street fighter Versus Tekken

Gouki's fight with Ryu wasn't a actually fight , it was just Gouki testing Ryu. this wasn't a fight, it was just a test.

Ryu has found Gouki at Gouki's island of Gokuentou and challenges him as a
fighter. But Gouki was only testing him. Seeing Ryu battle, he tells Ryu
that Ryu wields the same power as he does! The murderous intent, satsui no
hadou, which is what happened to Ryu when Ryu defeated Sagat. He tells Ryu
that once he can magnificently draw it out, to find him, then he and Ryu may
have a real battle [Official].

Originally posted by Lethal Force
How far did you get in Scenario Campaign? Completing it you would know Lars didn't beat Azazel, a serious one anyway. Golden Azazel is where it's at.

Which has nothing to do with the argument at hand. If Azazel could be defeated by Lars (And he was) then how is he a DBZ Planet Buster that people have claimed here?

Originally posted by Lethal Force
Never has an intro been noncanon in the Tekken series. Nevertheless it'd be more accurate than noncanon ENDINGS, which you never hesitate to use for SFers.

Ok, 2 things, first, name one non-canon ending I have used. Go on , really, name one, and actually explain why it's non-canon.

Second: So all the intros are canon now right? I guess Heihachi is a machinegod that likes to pose slowly and growl in front of a mechanical Kong Of Iron Fist Logo... 🙄

Originally posted by Lethal Force
You 90% of the time haven't refuted squat.

Right, and you would know, right newbie? April 29th start and yo know my 7 year career here so well... Exept your horribly inaccurate.

Originally posted by Lethal Force
Lol’d at “cratering” and saying that was due to a "recoil" is about as dumb as saying Devil Jin wiped out a forest from the recoil of launching himself backwards. It has no evidence and just wanks the feat, and a forest? How about 50 meters in diameter of one. What half of Devil wiped was a forest, not Akuma. Never mind that the T5 intro and Jin’s prologues are canon while Akuma's SSIV ending isn't.

Watch the damn video again, tell me where the blast hit ground, or was even aimed at the ground, then come back and tell me that. Then explain to me why that intro contradicts the story, while Akuma training and inventing new techniques is not. 🙄

Originally posted by Lethal Force
Sure, if you use fan-typed FAQs that even contain disclaimers about the one typing them having no right to establish facts or working for Capcom for that matter, or, something else that isn’t legit or confirmed in the games.

*shakes head* I have been the strongets advocate of disreguarding Tiamat for years, I never used it. You WF once praised people who did, why the change of stance?

Originally posted by Lethal Force
Gotta love the Tekken hate on KMC.

Perceived Tekken hate on your part for not letting bullshit fly.

Originally posted by Lethal Force
And even if this shit was correct, it wouldn’t be legit in matches (accurate power displays) despite your persistent wank by using unconfirmed SF endings, amirite?

Unconfirmed? The very reason the island sinker is admissable is because that entire scene is needed to move the plot forward (hence leading to the scenes with Ken and Sagat), te others are in character for Akuma and do not conflict with the plot of the story hence they can be taken as legit. The intro, by contrast conflicts with known plot and scenes by way ofjumping jin out of turn and going against his entire planned course. The differences are staggering, and you choosing to ignore it is, frankly, disturbing.

Originally posted by Lethal Force
And SF prologues talk about a big rock splitting, kicking a ship from an ocean and shooting a beam into the sky now rofl2? Remind me later to drop Comedy Central.

The scenes where the feats happened stand on their own and do not contradict, thats a substantial difference. As I said, if the contradiction to established plot was not there, I would be more than happy to take the feat as legitimate, unlike your sorry self.

Originally posted by Lethal Force
Hypocritically using unconfirmed endings, while arguing they "lol dun contradikt storylinez.”

Going to ignore your later post(s) since they basically regurgitate this crap.

Then explain to me why it's hypocritical that we should'nt use a contradictory source to suddenly give jin and Kaz a feat they don't posess, while not giving characters with established plot feats these capabilities despite being well within the reasonable limits of evidence?

Heh, Translation: "So I can't counter any points you've made therefore i'm going to cop-out and save my ass and ignore them". Oh and BTW, I know it's you WF. What, still having trouble letting go eh? You have to follow me into other threads?

Planet

Oh wow. Don't you even know that the planet is not even round? But an ellipsoid!? Each pole is entirely made of ice. Did you even watch the video?

Tekken

That is the worst analogy I have ever read in my life. Tekken is Japanese for fist, so of course it is less powerful than Street Fighter, because the name Street Fighter implies using the whole body in combat. What you said makes no sense.

I have

No you haven't. Stop lying to all of us. It's like saying you are gonna put on your Nikes and succeed in NBA. It just doesn't happen.

I'm gay

Oh jeez. State the obvious why don't you.

It

Makes your

Oh now you're just contradicting yourself. How can you say "Makes" and "your" in the same sentence and expect that to hold up? I mean, you'll need some kind of super dooper excuse for that one. Go jump off a bridge and do us all a favor.

Thread

Yeah exactly. That's why you have to make a thread, because you want people to read what comes out of your mouth. But then you come along and make no sense whatsoever. And on top of that, you say that I don't make any sense? What kind of imbecile are you!?

(OK... I've release my inner troll. I am going to stop now. I did this because I was hoping that this thread would be a pretty good one, but instead it turned into a sea of virgin poop. I'm gonna stop reading now because I know this is gonna end soon.)

Originally posted by Lethal Force
What's my post count have to do with this, and I wasn't hostile. You don't want to see what me being "hostile" is. 😄

I think the problem with some like C-M is whenever someone posts his or her opinion that Tekken or (insert some fighting verse that isn't KoF) can match SF in cases, that some automatically assume their's SF hate. That's not the case, like with me for example. Why would I, for example, hate one of the first series I've gotten into (i.e. became a fan of) since 15 years ago? Doesn't make sense.

So what if he has the same voice, so is Hercule from Dragon Ball Heihachi now because they have the same voice? Is KH Sephiroth the same as FF7 Sephiroth because "lol they have the same voice" (and no, I'm not being hostile now either, just posting this way since it humors me)? And saying he uses Ansatsuken isn't a good argument. There are several who use it, and Oni's style is a lot closer to Gouken's than Gouki's, hinting he's probably another dark student of Gouken's (for all we know, so it's just a thought).

That's your opinion though. It may or may not be referring to gameplay. Heck, as I've explained, being "beyond Shin Akuma" does not have to mean it's the same dude. If you or I was stronger than S. Akuma then we can be called "beyond S. Akuma", so for all we know this is what the author meant, thus there's no concrete evidence to establish Oni = Akuma in a greater form, and I said he wasn't stronger in terms of demonstrated capabilities, which is what we go off of nowadays.

So what you're getting at is, anyone who disagrees with you is banworthy? Sorry you didn't explain this part well.

Originally posted by Lethal Force
Do you read your own sources?

From your own link:

CHARACTER INTRODUCTION
-Kuruoshiki Oni (which I shall translate as Batshit-Insane Oni) was created to be beyond Shin Akuma
-Created using Akuma as a base, but because of his different appearance, techniques, properties, etc., he's pretty much an entirely different character

Being "beyond" Shin Akuma doesn't mean it's the same person.

Do you have at least 2 working brain cells?

Oni is stated as "an entire different character" 'cause gameplay-wise he's very different from the normal Gouki, but canon-wise he IS Gouki!

Call me what you like - it doesn't change the fact that even on sites like Capcom Unity people are debating whether or not it's the same character.

I have catch-up to do with some things so this'll be my final for some (no need for getting personal, here I've not flamed a person and the old feud in another topic is over, nor is there a need to take fictional debates to a personal level. It only shows who's a you-know-what and is meaningless) time, and if there's a response to it, hopefully it isn't an attempt to put down someone.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
I'm just saying you haven't been around long enough to be so mad at everyone who likes SF/Capcom.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
But he wasn't directing that comment at you. The members he was referring to, ARE haters. And what's sad is, the haters are making the threads, they like to pick fights. The fact that you just joined and reacted so violently towards a comment made before you registered just seems like a bad look on multiple fronts.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/character.html

Roughly translated by Vasili

http://shoryuken.com/f12/warriors-fate-street-fighter-story-thread-revived-173/index624.html

Now please. Stop.

And unfortunately I must repeat myself. This must also be canon since the OP never mentioned Oni, or, Akuma's "Oni" form if some prefer, and since we all like to go by doings, than what's Oni done beyond old Akuma? I've seen his SSIV ending a while back; again, nothing short of Akuma's potential besides the durability / heat resistance.

Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
Not that I have anything against you, but it's clear are a sock account of a member who was previously banned more than once already. That is why I can foresee that your stay here may, very well, be cut short.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Which has nothing to do with the argument at hand. If Azazel could be defeated by Lars (And he was) then how is he a DBZ Planet Buster that people have claimed here?

And no one brought up planet detonation. That's just what some assumed was meant by few people.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ok, 2 things, first, name one non-canon ending I have used. Go on , really, name one, and actually explain why it's non-canon.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Second: So all the intros are canon now right? I guess Heihachi is a machinegod that likes to pose slowly and growl in front of a mechanical Kong Of Iron Fist Logo... 🙄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Watch the damn video again, tell me where the blast hit ground, or was even aimed at the ground, then come back and tell me that. Then explain to me why that intro contradicts the story, while Akuma training and inventing new techniques is not. 🙄

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
*shakes head* I have been the strongets advocate of disreguarding Tiamat for years, I never used it. You WF once praised people who did, why the change of stance?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Perceived Tekken hate on your part for not letting bullshit fly.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Unconfirmed? The very reason the island sinker is admissable is because that entire scene is needed to move the plot forward (hence leading to the scenes with Ken and Sagat), te others are in character for Akuma and do not conflict with the plot of the story hence they can be taken as legit.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
The intro, by contrast conflicts with known plot and scenes by way ofjumping jin out of turn and going against his entire planned course. The differences are staggering, and you choosing to ignore it is, frankly, disturbing.

The rest was either a repeat on your part or a failed attempt at a put-down. It's excluded as such. Take care btw. hug

And all group

@ the sock

Vasili can read and speak Japanese. All he did was translate the text on the site. You're just biased and grasping at anything. And the UDON comic has been stated to show canon powers and compared to the real canon, the comic has LOWER showings. They don't do very much in the comic.

Again, an instance where research would have done you some good. You know nothing of SF and you should learn before entering a discussion.

You guys having fun.

No, not really. I'm rather bored, which is the only reason why I would come to KMC anyway.

We need to chill at my place.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
No it does. Azazel, weakened purple one, was the one put down by Lars. Golden Azazel came back like a raging storm and considerably more powerful so...what's Lars now? Crap in comparison.

Azazel, in any form, should have beaten Lars if he had the level of power claimed by some in this very thread. He didn't, and thus we are back to sqare one.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
And no one brought up planet detonation. That's just what some assumed was meant by few people.

Orly? :

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Orly? Sorry to bother you but did you see jinpachi's ending? have you read azazel's profile? did you see Devil jin tk5 ending? they all demonstrated power that can destroy the entire planet. I love sf characters but don't underestimate tekken cast.

as for the match, it could go either way, Kazuya and Ryu seems equal to me, Jin has demonstrated that he can go toe toe with the like of Akuma (well he defeated Ogre, Heihachi, Devil Jinpachi and Azazel).

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Well in Raven storymode, its said Jinpachi full power can destroy the world, the proof is there :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-wNF5ewguw&feature=related
I don't see the feat where Akuma can do such a thing, would you give me a proof?

Azazel is a demonic world destroyer , his ressurection would mean the end of the world except if someone who get the devil gene kick his ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXX2XrILyvY
this vid shows what Jin and Kazuya can rly do with a power punch. Well Akuma will have a hard time against these two.

I'm pretty sure thats a claim for planet destroying power right there dude.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
Well they (a number) AFAIC are not canon since they aren't confirmed to be in games or other company-made canon stuff, like many fighting game endings aren't, and if something's translated by someone who lacks authority to establish anything then it should be obvious what this is.

Sure, some endings are not canon, but not the ones your claiming.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
Ones that depict events (canon or otherwise), sure, so your example isn't such an event. Alisa appearing on a big screen TV isn't either. It's that "glamorous" part of an intro since visually it make no sense (another instance is Xiaoyu's phone having T6 gameplay on it). Kazuya and Jin fighting isn't some flashy on-screen pop-up and they, of all characters, would not be shown in an inaccurate manner, and it's not like this is Namco X Capcom Jin and Kazuya. It shows the same versions.

So, now your deciding to pick and choose which parts of the intros are canon? No... just no.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
You're guessing the area flattened from a recoil. For all we know it was a released surge coupled with it, and I didn't say that intro "contradicts the story" 😕 nor did I say the ending contradicted anything.

Guessing? The beam never touched ground! Watch the vid mate.

Umm, you said we should disreguard the SF endings for the same reason as I disreguard your intros, despite the fact that the circumstances bitween the two are entirely different. I said we should disreguard the intro for it's contradictory nature to the known Tekken 6 plot. You now want to disreguard the SF endings because..... Why again?

Originally posted by Swift Silence
No, I never praised anyone [b]for that. I wasn't a proponent of out-of-game info unless it's backed up by the makers (that would include translations by them, and not anonymous people).[/B]

Bull... You never countermanded Sado's use of Tiamat for the 3 years you where a legal member. In fact, you outright agreed with him.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
Sure thing mate.

*Shakes head* You know I'm impartial, and I have stomped on my fair share of SFer fanboys, so don't even pretend I'm wrong on that.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
Neither does Feng Wei's T6 volcano ending for example (by the way his T6 prologue confirms he got the scroll without confronting Jinpachi, and it gave no power-up), but you didn't hesitate to oppose it time ago. Hopefully you're opinion on that changed though.

The reason I oppose it is because that ending was determinal on the scrolls actually providing a powerup to Feng, which we find in Tekken 6 that it does not, thus the feat is non-canon. Context - look it up sometime.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
He was wanting to awaken Azazel. This is caused by evil energy building up on the Earth, which, all that intro was accomplishing - launching missiles on the streets, high-speed chases, bombs detonating trains, and Jin fighting Kazuya only furthers Jin's goal here, and what's honestly messed up is thinking one, Jin is portrayed as suicidal in it despite him doing things rather casually, two, the trailer isn't an accurate potential display despite it's a company promoting their game, three you comparing it to an intro with Heihachi's face fading in from the background when it's not depicting an event canon or otherwise, and last but not least, you using UDON comics for evidence regarding another series, which completely nulls your argument against the use of the trailer.

Name me one time I've utilised UDON. I said numerous times that Capcom's statement refutes your grudge against that, but I myself have not used it ever. As for your assessment, Jin was going in for the kill in that clip, which directly contradicts his plan. Plus, why would he charge in solo when he has an army of his own? Your still using faulty logic to try and justify this. Oh, and I used the Heihachi fade as an example of non-canonicity within intros, which you claimed where canon in their entirety originally, and thus I proved you wrong.

Originally posted by Swift Silence
The rest was either a repeat on your part or a failed attempt at a put-down. It's excluded as such. Take care btw. hug

And all group

Thus you fail to address any later points I made to cover yourself yet again, this is becoming a bad habbit of yours WF...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The Hulk could be beaten, the others would win. Then you have Darkstalker characters who walk all over them, so there are always other characters out there.

Originally posted by zuleselkie
ACtually if you read the hulk lines, the Hulk CANT die, even when fighting future form of himself, his body heals far to quickly for him to die; a broken neck resulting in a week of simple paralysis, and if he is in red hulk form he can literly crush an entire continent with his two hands. Stan lee admited in an interview "We cheated when we did the Hulk, we made a super Hero that Cant die and has unlimited power" During one of his later interviews about his career and favorite characters.

Which is why I said "could". He also has "potentially" unlimited power, which is quite different.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
We need to chill at my place.

Dim the lights, light a few scented candles to set the mood and it's a deal. 😄

I meant my forum, but... 😛

Senile Stan Lee.....gotta love him.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Err, no it doesn't. It said that "Mankind will be exterminated", in an unspecified manner mind you. No indication of how. You've automatically assumed that he is somehow going to "Detonate the planet" ala DBZ style.... That is not the case.

Well, you have to remember that Jinpachi got revived by a Devil who want to destroy all existence, here is the bio : http://fenixware.net/fab/fab_charBio.asp?id=414&order=0
Also Jinpachi's ending prove my point, the "what if" Jin can't beat him, everybody would die and it doesn't matter how he'd do it because the world will be destroy by him anw..

I don't see how it is relevant because your point is simply conjecture. However, demonstrated feats give Gouki a massive physical strength and energy manipulation edge.

Jin and Kazuya have also demonstrated energy manipulation (heck the spark which surrender them) and have mastered their fighting style ( mishima ryu for Kazuya and kazama style+ traditional karate for Jin). Have you seen Feng wei ending? His feat is comparable to Gouki

Hyperbole is fun right? I mean it's not like Lars didn't beat his shit in at all right? Demonstrated power is relevant, not conjecture by fallible characters. Nobody knew what Azazel could have or could not have done. He had ample time to execute his plot, and yet got his shit kicked in royally.

Lol 😆 , it's not a Hyperbol, have you read Zafna profile? Did you follow the scenario compaign? You will understand why Jin went through all this shit to save the world from a giant egyptian chiken, yeah he got his ass handed to him by Lars because Lars is a mishima and cuz of PIS.....

AHAHAHAHAAA! Your relying on an intro video thats meant to glamorise the characters?! No man.... That event never happened in Tekken's storyline at all.

I've lost count how many times I have refuted these points over the years.... 🙁

This intro show canon feat, it show what happen when this two collide. Also yeah because they can do more than that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqTZCvwfIE

Lol i didn't see Akuma on planetary level, he hasn't show the feat besides he tied with his brother who didn't have his destructrice power.

Ppl who can destroy the world or scratch it doesn't necessary mean they can beat everybody : Liu Kang defeated Shao kahn ( who has surnatural strenght and can destroy a dimension), Genra (who could oneshot a city) got owned by Ayane, Nightmare ( who defeated a whole army) tied with Siegfried, Orochi who is a God got beaten by the 3 sacred treasure, etc...

I'm sure Jin alone could put up a good fight against Akuma.

Do.... you.... not.... read.... what.... I.... post?!

No, seriously. All you did was return to previously shot down points and say "No, your wrong because I say so!" Not one attempt to even read the posts of this thread... I swear this is tedious.... 😠

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Well, you have to remember that Jinpachi got revived by a Devil who want to destroy all existence, here is the bio : http://fenixware.net/fab/fab_charBio.asp?id=414&order=0
Also Jinpachi's ending prove my point, the "what if" Jin can't beat him, everybody would die and it doesn't matter how he'd do it because the world will be destroy by him anw..

The terms "Wanted to" and "succeeded in accomplishing" or "Can do" are not interchangable. You cannot give a fat based on a "what if" scenario. The characters actually have to have accomplished the feat, for the feat to be logically enabled.

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Jin and Kazuya have also demonstrated energy manipulation (heck the spark which surrender them) and have mastered their fighting style ( mishima ryu for Kazuya and kazama style+ traditional karate for Jin). Have you seen Feng wei ending? His feat is comparable to Gouki.

REALLY! Have they demonstrated it to the levelof their opponents? Not on your life. And read previous posts reguarding Feng, neither feat is official. The tekken 5 one is based on a what if conjecture, and the tekken 6 one hasn't been confirmed yet.

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Lol 😆 , it's not a Hyperbol, have you read Zafna profile? Did you follow the scenario compaign? You will understand why Jin went through all this shit to save the world from a giant egyptian chiken, yeah he got his ass handed to him by Lars because Lars is a mishima and cuz of PIS.....

Zaffina's profile is also largely conjecture at this point because she feared Azazel's revival. This only demonstrates that she had no chance. Dude, You previously stated that only DG users could defeat Azazel, which is patentely wrong, as demonstrated by Lars who does ot have the DG. Mishima blood had stuff all to do with it.

Originally posted by crimson_2010
This intro show canon feat, it show what happen when this two collide. Also yeah because they can do more than that : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkqTZCvwfIE

What does the Tekken 5 intro have to do with the canonicity of the Tekken 6 one? And unless someone can reconcile the two points I raised earlier in the thread, then guess what, it's conjecture and a glamorised intro. not a legitimate feat. Nobody here has posted a single logical reconciliation bitween known plot and those events in the intro.

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Lol i didn't see Akuma on planetary level, he hasn't show the feat besides he tied with his brother who didn't have his destructrice power.

I didn't see Jin or Kaz on a planetary level either exept in glamorised what ifs. I'm fairly certain I can find many fanfics which has Akuma dominating DBZ characters, and that would be just as legit as your so-called "proof".

Originally posted by crimson_2010
Ppl who can destroy the world or scratch it doesn't necessary mean they can beat everybody : Liu Kang defeated Shao kahn ( who has surnatural strenght and can destroy a dimension), Genra (who could oneshot a city) got owned by Ayane, Nightmare ( who defeated a whole army) tied with Siegfried, Orochi who is a God got beaten by the 3 sacred treasure, etc...

Which is the exact reason why you should not use the title to describe Ogre and then give that as a reason why it's such a good showing. Especially since Ogre is essentially featless.

Originally posted by crimson_2010
I'm sure Jin alone could put up a good fight against Akuma.

And again, I ask for proof, becuase akuma's established feats would mean he turns Jin into fishpaste and red vapour in a single punch.

Yawn.

I just love when fanboys, in total absence of any proof, just say something like "I'm sure that X can beat Y".

But I can think "I'm sure that crimson_2010 is just a Tekken fanboy" 😛