Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's strange though how sometimes the symbol of your enemy and the one who attracts the most hatred is spared the worst of the treatment.Take General Custer for instance, he was one of the few fallen soldiers at the Battle of the Little Big Horn who wasn't scalped.
The grudging respect for the fallen foes cruelty etc.
This whole thing is bizzare, now the US is changing the story again. He wasn´t armed after all and his wife wasn´t been used as a human shield.
this dude has some good points.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In theory after you take an "eye" for the original lost "eye," the scale has been balanced and that is that. Any further action would be the start of a completely new and separate incident... in theory.
In theory, yes. But in practice it isn't like this.
In blood feuds if your brother kills my brother someone from your family must give up a family member of their choice to be killed as blood money. You can choose the member that committed the murder or any other one as chosen by the father or grandfather or whatever.
If your father's oldest son, for example committed murder, then father may chose to send the youngest one to die instead as blood money.
After having killed your chosen family member, by blood feud law, you have the right to ask for another family member (after certain period of time - not right now) to be killed to pay off the blood of your other chosen family member. And so on and so on and so on.
This used to be the way everyone dealt with everything - hence we made a justice system where individuals will be judged by their lawful peers and not victims.
However, somewhere between one theory and this wonderful justice theory we understood that we should take our lawful peers to pass down revenge.
Tribal instincts appear so difficult to suppress.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's strange though how sometimes the symbol of your enemy and the one who attracts the most hatred is spared the worst of the treatment.Take General Custer for instance, he was one of the few fallen soldiers at the Battle of the Little Big Horn who wasn't scalped.
That is very interesting, I wonder why this is? Do you think it may have something to do with some weird, cynical sort of respect?
Originally posted by Liberator
That is very interesting, I wonder why this is? Do you think it may have something to do with some weird, cynical sort of respect?
I think so, we also tend to end up wearing their skins. Be it Manson tshirts or Eminem dressed as Bin Ladin. So many comedians dressed as Hitler during and after the war. We turn the big bad into a figure of fun.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
I think so, we also tend to end up wearing their skins. Be it Manson tshirts or Eminem dressed as Bin Ladin. So many comedians dressed as Hitler during and after the war. We turn the big bad into a figure of fun.
It makes a good market. People don't want to think of the reality of the situation - if it can be dismissed as good humour and fun they by all means they will take it.
The stark reality is, I can only envision things getting worse from here in terms of Al Qaeda resistance. America never learns from their mistakes, if you give death out you will get death back.
Nothing is changing - at least to my knowledge. Soldiers are staying put, the Patriot Act (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) is still in effect.
I'm still in a bit of shock to all of this, how utterly pointless. To learn he was unarmed as well... and I'm sorry, I just can't buy that he used his wife as a human shield.
Originally posted by Liberator
It makes a good market. People don't want to think of the reality of the situation - if it can be dismissed as good humour and fun they by all means they will take it.The stark reality is, I can only envision things getting worse from here in terms of Al Qaeda resistance. America never learns from their mistakes, if you give death out you will get death back.
Nothing is changing - at least to my knowledge. Soldiers are staying put, the Patriot Act (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong) is still in effect.
I'm still in a bit of shock to all of this, how utterly pointless. To learn he was unarmed as well... and I'm sorry, I just can't buy that he used his wife as a human shield.
Agreed.
Ah, the vilification and defamation of the arch foe in his lair. It really did read like a Tom Clancy film didn't it.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
Agreed.Ah, the vilification and defamation of the arch foe in his lair. It really did read like a Tom Clancy film didn't it.
Very climatic ending too. SEAL Team raid on a complex late in the night, helicoptor takes some sort of damage and forces a landing. 40 minute stand off in which they finally take down their target.
Makes a good read!
Originally posted by Liberator
That is very interesting, I wonder why this is? Do you think it may have something to do with some weird, cynical sort of respect?
Edit: Also it occurs to me that in Custer's case it might have been that none of the individual warriors thought they were 'worthy' of taking such a prize as Custer's scalp.
Originally posted by Daemon Seed
I think so, we also tend to end up wearing their skins. Be it Manson tshirts or Eminem dressed as Bin Ladin. So many comedians dressed as Hitler during and after the war. We turn the big bad into a figure of fun.
I've always found it interesting that Hitler was introduced to me as a punch-line in South Park. I knew the name from like grade 6-7 history, I knew generally what ww2 was, but as for Hitler, my first real intro was when Cartman dressed up as him for Halloween
I tend to think that is the greatest victory we can ever have over a person like that. Hitler was evil, legitimately scary, but that idiot mustache is, in contemporary culture, a gag.
you can dig deeper into it and find some cynical analysis of this concept, but in general, I love. We should laugh at evil people, their ability to frighten us is where they get a huge degree of their power
Originally posted by truejedi
Don't they already call us the "Great Satan"? And isn't being Satan worse than being a demon?
define "they"
people who already want to kill us and are not going to be dissuaded no matter what we do? sure, but nothing we do to Osama's body would change that. There is no burial we could give that would change this.
the people on the Muslim street who are already concerned that America is waging a religious war against Muslims? THOSE are the people you have to worry about. They are the ones who, dumbly, rioted about the Quran burning. These are the hearts and minds America has been trying to win, and doing anything bad to the corpse of a dead Muslim will not make us their friend.
Originally posted by inimalist
I've always found it interesting that Hitler was introduced to me as a punch-line in South Park. I knew the name from like grade 6-7 history, I knew generally what ww2 was, but as for Hitler, my first real intro was when Cartman dressed up as him for HalloweenI tend to think that is the greatest victory we can ever have over a person like that. Hitler was evil, legitimately scary, but that idiot mustache is, in contemporary culture, a gag.
you can dig deeper into it and find some cynical analysis of this concept, but in general, I love. We should laugh at evil people, their ability to frighten us is where they get a huge degree of their power
There's supposedly an essay by some soldier that knew Hitler during WWI, when Hitler originally sported a wide and long Prussian style mustache, but was ordered to trim it because it didn't fit under the gas-mask worn in the trenches.
Originally posted by Robtard
There's supposedly an essay by some soldier that knew Hitler during WWI, when Hitler originally sported a wide and long Prussian style mustache, but was ordered to trim it because it didn't fit under the gas-mask worn in the trenches.
hahahahaha
thats amazing 🙂
take that charlie chaplan