Originally posted by RagingBoner
I don't think that should 'count', exactly, because Dooku was tooling him and Ventress at the same time. Under normal conditions, the good Count would slaughter Mr. Opress.
It does count because during that fight Savage got a serious Force power boost.. Before that him and Ventress together could not defeat the Count. But after that Ventress and Dooku together were on the run from him.
Plus he was completely overpowering Anakin and Obi-Wan together, and even driving them back in just the Saber portion of the fight. A much better showing than what Dooku has shown against those same 2. (I sense Borbarad will have my head for this)
Originally posted by RagingBoner
Dooku's words suggest that Opress is not yet Maul's equal, but he does have superior showings.
He may not have yet been Maul's equal before he got that huge power boost, but he became wayyy more powerful than TPM Maul during that fight. But we'll have to wait and see if they really do bring Maul back, if he's grown more powerful as well.
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It does count because during that fight Savage got a serious Force power boost...
It counts about as much as Ventress doing the same thing in Nightsisters: She Force-choked Kenobi/Skywalker at the same time while wounded. Does that mean she's on par with Opress because she was able to take on Obi-Wan and Anakin simultaneously? No. Opress and Ventress were the beneficiaries of temporary battle rage that bolstered their abilities. Under normal circumstances, Obi-Wan and Anakin would defeat Ventress and Dooku would manhandle Opress.
Originally posted by RagingBonerIn all fairness, that was before Savage got the 'warrior rage' force boost. Either way, all I was saying is that Savage seemed to be depicted as a pretty legitimate threat to Dooku. I mean, the good Count surely would have broken free of the force choke if he could have. That's not to say that Savage would beat Dooku in a force contest - just that his power [I]is[/] enough to pose a threat to someone of Dooku's caliber - thus he should smoke Maul in that area.
I don't think that should 'count', exactly, because Dooku was tooling him and Ventress at the same time. Under normal conditions, the good Count would slaughter Mr. Opress.
Im not buying this temporary Force boost thing that just happened in those circumstances and most likely wnt be accessed again when needed.
I dnt think Anakin and Obi-Wan were ever going to lose to Ventress together, even when they were being choked. Its not clear how long she could have kept that up, and this after they already had chances to kill her if they wished. But I think it did show shes better with the Force than either of them.
And Im not convinced at all Savage's boost was temporary. It lasted long enough for him to first tool Ventress and Dooku together and have them on the run, then go on to tool Anakin and Obi-Wan, and still have enough power left to put down a droid army with one blast.
Even if that is temporary, it's certainly a very powerful state he's capable of achieving in battle. A boost Dooku has never been seen to have access to. So I say he tools Dooku. And lets not forget Savage actually beat Dooku in the Saber fight even before the Boost. All Dooku could do was keep him at bay with his FL, and thats actually what triggered his Force Boost.
In any case we will find out next season if he managed to keep that level of power, but I dnt see why not.
That wasn't exactly a duel between Opress and the good Count. He swung, Dooku evaded; he swung again and knocked Dooku's lightsaber away. Opress wasn't capable of hanging with Dooku on his own, hence why the good Count was evading and outmaneuvering both of them despite the restricting confines of his quarters. Dooku was more agile, more experienced, and better trained. In Opress's own words, Dooku was "too powerful."
Only when he tapped deeper into his rage than we've ever seen was he capable of temporarily gaining the upper hand. But, again, Ventress did the exact same thing with Anakin and Obi-Wan, but she's barely a match for one of them in a conventional duel, let alone both.
In a typical fight, Dooku would defeat Opress. He's just better.
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Wait, Opress disarmed Dooku is [b]two strikes!?LMAO, how the hell is that not proving he's better again? [/B]
I'm guessing you actually haven't watched the duel given the question, so it might be wise to refrain from your sarcastic questions until you've actually done so. queerbayt
Here you go, being the good Samaritan that I am. The good Count is disarmed simply because Opress's strength is sufficient to hurl him across the room, where he drops his lightsaber. If you continue to watch the episode, you'll notice that both Obi-Wan and Anakin are knocked aside by Opress's prodigious strength and yet both manage to keep hold of their lightsabers. Are they better duelists than Dooku because they managed to keep hold of them? No. The unarmed Count was then able to evade Ventress and Opress, continuing the duel and overpowering the Zabrak with Force lightning. Opress's own admission is that Dooku is too powerful for him.
The conclusion is that while Opress is a very dangerous fighter and is physically leagues beyond Dooku, the good Count is a more powerful, dangerous, and skilled combatant.
I'm guessing you actually haven't watched the duel given the question, so it might be wise to refrain from your sarcastic questions until you've actually done so. queerbayt
I was going from your own words sir! Which clearly state 'He swung, Dooku evaded; he swung again and knocked Dooku's lightsaber away.' How else was I to take that to mean?
Don't blame me for your poor expository skills, you cad.
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I was going from your own words sir! Which clearly state 'He swung, Dooku evaded; he swung again and knocked Dooku's lightsaber away.' How else was I to take that to mean?Don't blame me for your poor expository skills, you cad.
Well that's clearly not what happened in the video, which means you're wrong and I'm not because you're queer and queers are wronger than straight people who are wrong because that's what the Bible says so fvck you.
And if 'cad' is a reference to Cad Bane, I gladly accept.
Ok, looking at the fight, I do get the impression Dooku was solidly the strongest there. Sure, Opress started doing a lot better when he was force-raging, but he grabbed them when Ventress and Dooku were fighting each other, and he didn't hold them too long so it's hard to say whether they could've broken free. After he threw them, they both blasted him, and at no point was Dooku not splitting between two opponent.
As for the Jedi, they seemed to largely playing it cautious, throwing out few attacks but generally keeping a solid defense, likely wary of a lucky attack from his strength.
Even when in his 'force rage' mode he was throwing a lot more powers out, but others were still able to keep some control of the fight.
So I'm with RB on this.
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Opress is someone who easily *could* grow into a fighter who'd be really uber, and is still formidable as-is but needs more training.