Lol he asked Dooku "how do you defend against such power", and Dooku said "a good master does not give away all his secrets at once" (my secret of putting your lightsaber in the way!!)
In all seriousness I think the whole triliogy shows FL is not as easy to defend against as we orginially thought.. Even Ventress aided by 2 nighsisters were unable to do so. Or maybe Dooku's FL is a lot more powerful than we thought.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
In Opress's own words, Dooku was "too powerful."
That was before his power boost.. We know Dooku was more powerful before that point.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
In a typical fight, Dooku would defeat Opress. He's just better.
Unless he goes into this mysterious Force Rage state again??
I honestly think his boost in power was permanent. There was no indication anywhere it was temporary. And it lasted a while. If nothing else it shows his potential, and how powerful he will learn to be "permanently" by next season.
Originally posted by RagingBonerAgreed. It could also be argued that Dooku not being prepared for Savage's enormous boost in power, and subsequent attack(s), is how he [Dooku] was momentarily 'overpowered' - but either way, I don't think it can be argued that Savage isn't powerful enough to pose a threat to Dooku... But that's neither here nor there.
In a typical fight, Dooku would defeat Opress. He's just better.
Unrelated tangents aside, Savage at the height of his season 3 power would trounce TPM Maul.
Originally posted by truejediSavage also competed with Anakin and Kenobi pretty equally in sabers - something I can't imagine TPM Maul doing with the same degree of ease (if at all.) Just my opinion.
maybe not either. In pure power yes, but very unrefined with a saber. Maul was a master swordsman...
Originally posted by Galan007
Savage also competed with Anakin and Kenobi pretty equally in sabers - something I can't imagine TPM Maul doing with the same degree of ease (if at all.) Just my opinion.
The Nightsisters are sending Oppress to be trained by Maul for a reason though. What would that reason be? My guess is to refine his lightsaber ability and to some extent, his Force abilities.
With refinement in these areas, Oppress should pose a serious threat to everyone, save for possibly Master Yoda.
Originally posted by Jinsoku TakaiRight. I'm just saying that as of right now Savage's feats > Maul's. But considering how the animated Clone Wars series likes to shit on established continuity, we'll really just have to wait and see what happens next season...
The Nightsisters are sending Oppress to be trained by Maul for a reason though. What would that reason be? My guess is to refine his lightsaber ability and to some extent, his Force abilities.
Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. It could also be argued that Dooku not being prepared for Savage's enormous boost in power, and subsequent attack(s), is how he [Dooku] was momentarily 'overpowered'
Yes but look at what he did after that? Sent Obiwan and Anakin flying back simultaneously. Was Overpowering both of them in Sabers and with the Force. Sent a whole army of battle driods, 3 Destroyer droids and Anakin and Obiwan down in one Force wave! This was all way beyond anything Dooku has ever displayed!
Originally posted by Galan007
Unrelated tangents aside, Savage at the height of his season 3 power would trounce TPM Maul.
At the "Height" of his power he would also trounce Dooku. But before his power boost Id say he was probably in Maul's league. Perhaps his skill was less refined, but on the other hand he was physically stonger than Maul.
I'm guessing that by "height of his power", you're referring to his rage boost, correct? If so then I strongly disagree!! Count Dooku is FAR too refined to be defeated by Oppress. Yes Savage is insanely powerful physically, but he is a clutz compared to Dooku. Had Dooku been ready for such an attack, he would have skewered Oppress.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
The Nightsisters are sending Oppress to be trained by Maul for a reason though. What would that reason be? My guess is to refine his lightsaber ability and to some extent, his Force abilities.With refinement in these areas, Oppress should pose a serious threat to everyone, save for possibly Master Yoda.
Agreed.
I’d also speculate that Maul got more powerful in the force during his stay in the Outer Rim.
Well, we’ll have to see how it plays out in the next season.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERAt the "Height" of his power he would also trounce Dooku. But before his power boost Id say he was probably in Maul's league. Perhaps his skill was less refined, but on the other hand he was physically stonger than Maul.
But, nah, he is not going to trounce Dooku.
I’d say in terms of force power: Anakin/Obi-Wan < Oppress < Dooku
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It does count because during that fight Savage got a serious Force power boost.. Before that him and Ventress together could not defeat the Count. But after that Ventress and Dooku together were on the run from him.
Erm. You did see that he caught them off-guard with the force attack, given that they were engaged in a saber lock, obviously focusing on eachother, rather than on Savage? You do also notice how they blast him aside, once on their feet again?
Plus he was completely overpowering Anakin and Obi-Wan together, and even driving them back in just the Saber portion of the fight. A much better showing than what Dooku has shown against those same 2. (I sense Borbarad will have my head for this)
He, essentially, engaged the duo in a corridor, where they had to take him straight on. With his sheer mass and a double blade, he obviously blocked the entire corridor rather well, leaving not too much space for them to manouver or drive him back exactly. So they took the only option left and went back.
And he did better than Dooku? Did I miss him knocking one of them out, removing him from the fight or was that just not present? He's physical more powerful than the Count, I'll give him that, but he clearly lacks finesse in terms of saber ability and force mastery.
He may not have yet been Maul's equal before he got that huge power boost, but he became wayyy more powerful than TPM Maul during that fight. But we'll have to wait and see if they really do bring Maul back, if he's grown more powerful as well.
I'm rather sure you're underestimating Maul's ability. You may want to read the books about him. He's far more badass than he appears to be on screen in the EU.
IF Maul is resurrected, I'm curious how it will happen. Did the Nightsisters mend his two halves together via magic? Are his lower extremities going to be robotic, as they were in Visionaries? Is he just going to be a talking torso? Etc.
Imo, it's kind of ridiculous to bring him back, just for the lulz. Seems like something they would do solely to boost ratings/make $.
Originally posted by truejedi
Maul was already dead while falling down that hole, his eyes wide open, no way to stop himself from hitting whatever he was falling towards on a hostile planet with no other allies around at a time when Sidious didn't even have ONE other apprentice. Whatever happened is going to be unbelievable.
You're telling me that, because his eyes were wide open when he was falling, that means he was dead? Dude didn't blink once until he finally got sliced in half. His eyes were ALWAYS open.