Originally posted by truejedi
Maul was already dead while falling down that hole, his eyes wide open, no way to stop himself from hitting whatever he was falling towards on a hostile planet with no other allies around at a time when Sidious didn't even have ONE other apprentice. Whatever happened is going to be unbelievable.
Maybe they got ahold of the Sceptre of Ragnos or somesuch.
Originally posted by Borbarad
Erm. You did see that he caught them off-guard with the force attack, given that they were engaged in a saber lock, obviously focusing on eachother, rather than on Savage?
Yes but he was force choking both of them simultaneously! And they culdnt break it!
Originally posted by Borbarad
You do also notice how they blast him aside, once on their feet again?
Ermm yeah after he sent them both flying back.. (this time they were expecting it).. But yeah then both of them had to put their powers together to blast him away.
Originally posted by Borbarad
He, essentially, engaged the duo in a corridor, where they had to take him straight on. With his sheer mass and a double blade, he obviously blocked the entire corridor rather well, leaving not too much space for them to manouver or drive him back exactly. So they took the only option left and went back.
Urm yeah not really buying any excuses for that. He sent both of them plus a whole army of battle droids to the floor with a Force Blast.
Hey Ventress gave both those 2 a run for their money in enough open space. And she even managed to force choke them both when cornered, so im not buying those 2 just culdnt take Savage (whose clearly significantly more powerful than Ventress) due to a corridor.
Originally posted by Borbarad
And he did better than Dooku? Did I miss him knocking one of them out, removing him from the fight or was that just not present?.
Ok thats a fair point. I guess theyve both owned this duo at one point.
Originally posted by Borbarad
He's physical more powerful than the Count, I'll give him that, but he clearly lacks finesse in terms of saber ability and force mastery.
He physically a lot more powerful, and his natural force tk has a lot more raw power to it as well. Whilst the Count has the skill, mastery and finesse in the Saber and Force department.
Originally posted by Borbarad
I'm rather sure you're underestimating Maul's ability. You may want to read the books about him. He's far more badass than he appears to be on screen in the EU.
Oh no Im not underestimating Maul. But if he had the same raw power as per TPM that Savage had during his boost in force power, then he obviously would have just sent Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan flying around all over the place.
Originally posted by axel_jovan
But, nah, he is not going to trounce Dooku.
I’d say in terms of force power: Anakin/Obi-Wan < Oppress < Dooku
Hey Il believe you as soon as I see Dooku force choke both Savage and Ventress together, or send them both flying back with the force simultaneously, or put down Obi-Wan and Anakin and 3 Destroyer droids and an army of battle driods all in one Force wave!
Originally posted by Galan007
IF Maul is resurrected, I'm curious how it will happen. Did the Nightsisters mend his two halves together via magic? Are his lower extremities going to be robotic, as they were in Visionaries? Is he just going to be a talking torso? Etc.Imo, it's kind of ridiculous to bring him back, just for the lulz. Seems like something they would do solely to boost ratings/make $.
Dave Filoni was saying Lucas wanted to bring Maul back, and Maul was always a fan favorite, but Filoni told him its a bit hard to bring someone back whose been cleaved in 2, so they thought up Savage Opress instead.
Obviously Lucas still wasnt satisfied and wanted the real Maul Lol. I think your nightsister explanation makes more sense than him being cybernetic. But either way, Im looking forward to it. Maul was always a bad ass! 😮💨
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes but he was force choking both of them simultaneously! And they culdnt break it!
You mean in the ENTIRE 3 or 4 seconds they were being choked? Wow! You're basing an awful lot on such limited information.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ermm yeah after he sent them both flying back.. (this time they were expecting it).. But yeah then both of them had to put their powers together to blast him away.
Just because both of them happened to blast him together doesn't mean that they needed to do so. That's a logical fallacy DP.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Urm yeah not really buying any excuses for that. He sent both of them plus a whole army of battle droids to the floor with a Force Blast.
This has nothing to do with the 'saber portion of the fight', which is what you posted, of which Borbarad was responding to.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
You mean in the ENTIRE 3 or 4 seconds they were being choked? Wow! You're basing an awful lot on such limited information.
Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Just because both of them happened to blast him together doesn't mean that they needed to do so. That's a logical fallacy DP.
Iv yet to hear any decent logic how Dooku is more powerful than or even as powerful as Savage (after his power boost).. What proof do you need before you accept it?? He Force chokes Dooku and Ventress together.. Oh he got them by surprise ok?? Well they had time to react and break out of it, but clearly could not..
What else, he chucks them both away with the Force.. This also doesn't count for some reason?? Ok.. Then Ventress and Dooku must put their powers together to blast him away, and then they both run from him.. But what for absolutely no reason Im supposed to believe that Dooku could have done that by himself without Ventress.. Really?
Then he's able to use his TK to chuck both Anakin and Obi-Wan simultaneously, and pretty damn far.. Dooku was never able to use his TK to overpower both these 2 simultaneously that Badly..
And then he uses a massive force wave which puts down 2 Jedis, 3 Destroyer droids and an army of battle droids.. A feat way beyond any TK we've ever seen from the likes of Jedi/Sith on the caliber Mace Windu/Count Dooku. Thats the biggest TK feat we've seen since Starkiller.
Your coming up with too many maybes, what if's, and just missing the blatantly obvious that any one watching the episode could see. Savage was a monster, created by nightsister magic, Possibly more powerful than any jedi. Hey Im a fan of Count Dooku, but im not gna ignore what they blatantly show us.
If you dnt see it now then enjoy your time of denial before next season, because you know they're gna continue to show how uber powerful this guy is.
Iv yet to hear any decent logic how Dooku is more powerful than or even as powerful as Savage (after his power boost).. What proof do you need before you accept it?? He Force chokes Dooku and Ventress together.. Oh he got them by surprise ok?? Well they had time to react and break out of it, but clearly could not..
Uh, he really didn't have them for very long, just a few seconds before tossing them.
And even after he did so, Dooku was still going back and forth between him and Ventress and still doing fine.
Originally posted by truejedi
um, no ways, cause Ventress was choking Obi-Wan and Anakin for 3 or 4 seconds, and they didn't block, and it doesn't mean they COULDN'T block.
Yeah but she didnt go on to chucking them both away with the Force and having them both on the run.
If they culd have blocked the choke then why exactly didnt they? Sidious says at the beginning of the episode She's becoming too powerful. She might not have been able to keep up that choke, but it showed she has clearly become better with the Force than either of these two.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
^ A wounded Ventress Force-choked Obi-Wan and Anakin simultaneously two episodes or so prior. Does that make her more powerful than either of them, when she is (at best) their equal?
Maybe both examples should be chalked up to the writers not knowing a damn thing about logic power levels.
There is no reason to believe that Ventress is more powerful than either Anakin or Obi-Wan nor is there reason to believe Savage is more powerful than Dooku. In a moment of extreme rage, Savage throttled two duelists focusing on one another. Before that, he was a nuisance to the good Count and nothing more.
Originally posted by Q99
Uh, he really didn't have them for very long, just a few seconds before tossing them.
And this proves Dooku's more powerful than Savage how exactly?
Originally posted by Q99
And even after he did so, Dooku was still going back and forth between him and Ventress and still doing fine.
Urm no, he only focused on her for a second to make his escape after they'd blasted him away together.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
There is no reason to believe that Ventress is more powerful than either Anakin or Obi-Wan nor is there reason to believe Savage is more powerful than Dooku. In a moment of extreme rage, Savage throttled two duelists focusing on one another. Before that, he was a nuisance to the good Count and nothing more.
This is just a theory of yours. Theres no proof this power boost was temporary. He uses it against Anakin, and ObiWan and then on all those droids e.t.c.
We'll find out next year anyway. But nothing to suggest he's lost that extra power so far.
Well, I'm no expert, but I can't recall an instance in which Force users gain permanent powers from calling on rage in the midst of a duel. In fact, common sense dictates this isn't the case: If Ventress had become so powerful as to manhandle Kenobi and Anakin simultaneously, would she not be on par with the Count?
Originally posted by RagingBoner
^ A wounded Ventress Force-choked Obi-Wan and Anakin simultaneously two episodes or so prior. Does that make her more powerful than either of them, when she is (at best) their equal?
She went all out with the force, after being disarmed and cornered. Sidious says at the start of the episode shes becoming too powerful.
She actually put Obi-Wan down disarming him in the Saber fight as well, while fighting off Anakin.
Originally posted by RagingBoner
I'd actually say it's the writers understanding the temporary power afforded by a Force-user who taps into his rage.
That would be like doubling in power (the power needed to overwhelm two people at about the same strength as you simultaneously). Thats a little extreme don't you think?