Originally posted by Meioh_HadesNot the first time around though. These events were all changed by Raiden. LOL.
In MK 2011 we have seen that "soul sucking modern day earth" was NOT Shao Kahn's feat, but a long and complex ritual that Quan Chi tired to do (and he was interrupted by Nightwolf).
I don't even think the character existed at the time of mk 3 in sub zero mythologies so yeah I'm right as per the norm.
"I'm right as per the norm"
LOL... Quite full of yourself, little troll! You don't ever see that everyone here think that you're just a MK fanboy that can't accept that there are 'verses more powerful than the MK one.
And btw... Why Shao Kahn NEVER stolen a soul of someone more powerful than a normal being? And in MK3 intro is explained that Kahn SLOWLY transformed Earth intro a part of Outworld, claiming normal people's souls. So, a long ritual like that is not a thing that can be useful in an actual battle, or else he would simply suck the souls of Liu Kang, Kung Lao, etc. with a snap of his fingers, instead of fight them and get his ass kicked.
And what he did to Shang tsung in MK 2011 doesn't count: Shang Tsung already sold his soul to the Emperor, in exchange of greater powers. Basically Shao Kahn gave Shang Tsung a vast portion of his powers, and could get them back (and he actually did that to empower Sindel).
Originally posted by Meioh_HadesYes, a ritual was used to drain an entire planet of billions of souls which is an amazing feat.
"I'm right as per the norm"LOL... Quite full of yourself, little troll! You don't ever see that everyone here think that you're just a MK fanboy that can't accept that there are 'verses more powerful than the MK one.
And btw... Why Shao Kahn NEVER stolen a soul of someone more powerful than a normal being? And in MK3 intro is explained that Kahn SLOWLY transformed Earth intro a part of Outworld, claiming normal people's souls. So, a long ritual like that is not a thing that can be useful in an actual battle, or else he would simply suck the souls of Liu Kang, Kung Lao, etc. with a snap of his fingers, instead of fight them and get his ass kicked.
And what he did to Shang tsung in MK 2011 doesn't count: Shang Tsung already sold his soul to the Emperor, in exchange of greater powers. Basically Shao Kahn gave Shang Tsung a vast portion of his powers, and could get them back (and he actually did that to empower Sindel).
Also Shao Kahn drained Shang Tsung's soul in the game and amped Sindel in that fashion thus proving he can easily do so to Akuma.
He also begged for his life against Shao Kahn after his first defeat not hand over his soul. It's Shang Tsung's power to consume souls to maintain his youth/optimum power.
It's the same thing like Ermac blowing up Jax's arms despite it being in a cinema he can't actually do so in a mk matchup despite having the power to. LOL.
Shao Kahn stole Tsung's soul a soul stealer himself when he wanted to in combat so I'm right and you're wrong just like I initially said.
Also the same logic for your Shao Kahn reasoning can be used against you. Why doesn't Akuma easily defeat his foes due to his superior striking power since he's an island buster, hmmmm ?
I just explained why Shang Tsung soul drain is not valid.
He couldn't do it to anyone besides Shang Tsung (the Emperor easilly drained Shang Tsung's soul, 'cause the sorcerer already gave him his own soul). I say that 'cause, if Shao Kahn could easilly drained the soul of another fighter, he would have drained Liu Kang's one, instead of get his ass kicked by the Shaolin Monk. And remember that Gouki's spirit is VERY strong (or esle his own soul would have been already consumed by his own powers).
And about Gouki... He didn't easilly defeat his opponents when he fights against chars that are TRULY strong, like Gouken. And he didn't just stomped Ryu 'cause he was intrigued with the boy's potential.
Originally posted by Meioh_Hades
And about the "tremendous strenght" of Shao Kahn... In MKA intro he threw people like ragdolls with an hit of his Wrtah Hammer, but is nowhere comparable to the strenght that Gouki uses in his CANON endings when he destroys islands, mountains, etc.And the fact that Raiden has to do a self-destructive attack to do something that freakin' CHUN LI can do without killing herself is quite the ultimate proof that SFverse > MKverse.
Ehh! That's going too far while some SF characters are up there, their verse isn't on the same level overall as MK. In terms of stakes the MK verse is way more epic than SF.
Originally posted by AllanklesThere are people in SF who also have TK.
He made a fair point about guys like Ermac. His combat viable TK would make minced meat out of a lot of people in many game verses.
Originally posted by Allankles
Ehh! That's going too far while some SF characters are up there, their verse isn't on the same level overall as MK. In terms of stakes the MK verse is way more epic than SF.
You may be right about "stakes" but as far as the power level of the casts, per character and overall. SF comes out on top by a noticeable margin.
Well MK tends to have more of the "take over the world" storyline, SF has the more powerful characters. Many just want to get stronger in SF, except for the likes of Bison and Seth, who *do* want to take over the world. The story just doesn't focus on it much. SF has numerous stories going on at once where MK focuses on one big story. So it does seem more "epic" that way.
Originally posted by Meioh_HadesWhen did Shang Tsung give him his soul ? When ?
I just explained why Shang Tsung soul drain is not valid.He couldn't do it to anyone besides Shang Tsung (the Emperor easilly drained Shang Tsung's soul, 'cause the sorcerer already gave him his own soul). I say that 'cause, if Shao Kahn could easilly drained the soul of another fighter, he would have drained Liu Kang's one, instead of get his ass kicked by the Shaolin Monk. And remember that Gouki's spirit is VERY strong (or esle his own soul would have been already consumed by his own powers).
And about Gouki... He didn't easilly defeat his opponents when he fights against chars that are TRULY strong, like Gouken. And he didn't just stomped Ryu 'cause he was intrigued with the boy's potential.
It never occurred to my knowledge and Shang and Quan defeated a clone of Shao Kahn before. They also met on the battlefield of armageddon and Shang didn't have his soul drained.
That's not how games work. Plus I feel it would violate the rules of the tournament anyways.
Despite ermac tking someone's arm off he doesn't do that in typical fights but still has the ability in a vs. match.
I don't see Ryu ever dreaming of beating Liu Kang either or anyone in street fighter for that matter. Akuma might be the only one capable of beating him and I don't see it happening there either.
From Shang Tsung MKA bio:
"In an instant, Raiden's blast destroyed us all! Our souls intertwined, we did battle in the ether. But I was drawn away by a magic more powerful than death. My essence returned to Outworld, where I found myself face to face with Shao Kahn! He was alive! Quan Chi and I had slain him in his fortress -- or so we thought. Yet here he stood. At his side was the Shokan prince, Goro! My ghostly visage startled them at first, but Shao Kahn knew what had transpired. Long ago I HAD PLEDGED MY SOUL TO THE EMPEROR. That pledge was binding even beyond death. But if he were to die, so too would those who served him. At the time I believed it to be merely another empty vow, yet here I am. My soul has returned from beyond to rejoin Shao Kahn."
And, from Shang Tsung's MK 2011 bio:
"Originally from Earthrealm, Shang Tsung's magical abilities led him to discover the realm of Outworld. There he fell in league with its ruler, Shao Kahn, and pledged his life to him in return for enhanced power. He is now bound to the emperor by powerful dark magic."
That's why Shang Tsung victories in the MK Tournament "belonged" to the Outworld, and not Earthrealm. If you remember, in MKD Conquest mode, Bo Rai Cho stated that he couldn't fight in the MK Tournament, 'cause he's from Outworld. So, even if he's a good guy, his victory would have been an Outworld victory.
Originally posted by Meioh_HadesOk.
From Shang Tsung MKA bio:"In an instant, Raiden's blast destroyed us all! Our souls intertwined, we did battle in the ether. But I was drawn away by a magic more powerful than death. My essence returned to Outworld, where I found myself face to face with Shao Kahn! He was alive! Quan Chi and I had slain him in his fortress -- or so we thought. Yet here he stood. At his side was the Shokan prince, Goro! My ghostly visage startled them at first, but Shao Kahn knew what had transpired. Long ago I HAD PLEDGED MY SOUL TO THE EMPEROR. That pledge was binding even beyond death. But if he were to die, so too would those who served him. At the time I believed it to be merely another empty vow, yet here I am. My soul has returned from beyond to rejoin Shao Kahn."
And, from Shang Tsung's MK 2011 bio:
"Originally from Earthrealm, Shang Tsung's magical abilities led him to discover the realm of Outworld. There he fell in league with its ruler, Shao Kahn, and pledged his life to him in return for enhanced power. He is now bound to the emperor by powerful dark magic."
That's why Shang Tsung victories in the MK Tournament "belonged" to the Outworld, and not Earthrealm. If you remember, in MKD Conquest mode, Bo Rai Cho stated that he couldn't fight in the MK Tournament, 'cause he's from Outworld. So, even if he's a good guy, his victory would have been an Outworld victory.
But wasn't it always Goro winning the mk tournaments until Liu Kang dethroned him. Shang Tsung might have been hosting the tourneys but it was still Goro winning them.
I hated the lack of bios for armaggedon and then when they finally released them they stopped after about 10 or so in.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroCorrect but the outworld domination began after Goro won and kept winning.
No, at least not entirely.From what I remember of the original MKI script, Shang was the champion much earlier, and had lost to the original Kung Lao, then, at the next tournament, Original Kung Lao was killed by Goro.