Akuma vs. Shao Kahn

Ok so what..? Dieties? Better for u? Does it matter honestley...? The ''title'' is just that but it is also because of the level they're in... Akuma's in such a level isn't he? I'm not saying they're omni-anything, just calling them that because of the feats they do ( you lov feats u oughtta know) 🙂 u know... ''godlike feats'' resurrection, supernatural ability, semi-immortality.. Something regular humas don't posses... So if a being like kahn can take on said extraordinary ''gods'' then... Why not akuma? like i've stated before... Akuma's more skilled as a martial artist.. But kahn's fought wars, raided realms, ripped out souls from a distance (though it might've been a cermony or ritual or something as previously stated), took on raiden (who in the story is referred to as a thunder-god guardian of earthrealm.. More importantly, personification of lightning!!) then... Well, dare i say it, he might stand a chance against akuma... 🙂

Originally posted by Innominate__1
Ok so what..? Dieties? Better for u? Does it matter honestley...? The ''title'' is just that but it is also because of the level they're in... Akuma's in such a level isn't he? I'm not saying they're omni-anything, just calling them that because of the feats they do ( you lov feats u oughtta know) 🙂 u know... ''godlike feats'' resurrection, supernatural ability, semi-immortality.. Something regular humas don't posses... So if a being like kahn can take on said extraordinary ''gods'' then... Why not akuma? like i've stated before... Akuma's more skilled as a martial artist.. But kahn's fought wars, raided realms, ripped out souls from a distance (though it might've been a cermony or ritual or something as previously stated), took on raiden (who in the story is referred to as a thunder-god guardian of earthrealm.. More importantly, personification of lightning!!) then... Well, dare i say it, he might stand a chance against akuma... 🙂

No, what I dislike is using the connotations like "A defeated a "God/Devil/Deiety/whatever title you wish" therefore he must trump B". It's a bullshit attempt to cover up deficiencies of proof. The fact is, IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT THEY ARE CALLED, If they do not have the capabilities to beat the opposition, then they do not beat the opposition. A>B>C logic is faulty for this very reason.

A>B>C logic...?? Hm... Kinda like island punch>greater than lots of other feats out there concluding>akuma doing said punch just wins...?? You know what i hate? Hypocrisy, seriously... Why can't defeating a ''god'' be a feat?? I mean gees an island won't defend itself or dodge an attack that can sink it... A ''god'' might... But hey... That doesn't mean anything right? But ok so then when kahn fought raiden he was fighting ''someone'' (will try not to use god) who is somewhat a diety that seems immortal and has alot of power/control over the natural force of lightning and electricity (both are pretty much the same) and managed to defeat him... Or before him he was able to defeat blaze who's ''godlike powers'' don't mean squat apparantley... will lose to akuma? Who's powers seem just a bit below the other 2 imo... Idk... I don't see the logic...

Featwise Akuma is more powerful than any fighter in MK, and this includes the said ''god of thunder'' Raiden.

Not One Being Onaga vin

^I meant to say playable characters only.

Originally posted by stargun
Featwise Akuma is more powerful than any fighter in MK, and this includes the said ''god of thunder'' Raiden.

Yes when it's feats of strength but anyone will tell you strength alone won't win a fight.. Plus, if anything having alot of power seems more favorable then strength... here's one thing ''the god of thunder'' raiden has been able to pull off that akuma hasn't? Resurrection... 🙂 so how is that akuma'll win? By throwning many island sinking punches srriking him only so he can ressurect? at this rate you guys will make it seem that akuma will be able to even challange the elder gods and be victorious!! (In your very weird and disturbing dreams) akuma's still a human who trained alot and embraced the dark hadou power crap (from what i gather) strong as he is rayden and kahn are more adept in supernatural power feats... So what? Is akuma immune to those as well? 🙂

Gill resurrects. Gouki beat him. Akuma has strength, speed, power, warping, projectiles.

Shinnok was beaten by Johnny Cage. The gods in the series aren't unstoppable in feats. They get more hype from narration than anything.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
Yes when it's feats of strength but anyone will tell you strength alone won't win a fight.. Plus, if anything having alot of power seems more favorable then strength...

Oh, I don't think so mate, there are a few other factors Akuma has over his opponent, skill, actual combat techniques, and akuma does have many powers at his disposal. As I said, for all of Kahn's necromancy and soul manipulation, Akuma has soul "Destroying" capability, which is superior to simply soul posession that Kahn employs. Not to mention thats all still backed up bu far more destructive feats that anything Kahn has accomplished in an actual battle.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
here's one thing ''the god of thunder'' raiden has been able to pull off that akuma hasn't? Resurrection... 🙂 so how is that akuma'll win? By throwning many island sinking punches srriking him only so he can ressurect?

The need to Resurrect proves that Akuma can, not only kill him, but do it repeatedly. Akuma has dealt with resurrectors before, as C-Master pointed out above.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
at this rate you guys will make it seem that akuma will be able to even challange the elder gods and be victorious!! (In your very weird and disturbing dreams) akuma's still a human who trained alot and embraced the dark hadou power crap (from what i gather) strong as he is rayden and kahn are more adept in supernatural power feats... So what? Is akuma immune to those as well? 🙂

Prove they work on someone as strong willed and bodied as Akuma is then. Your snide remarks prove your being bias BTW. Nobody said he'd challenge the Elder Gods.

Well the fact that he ripped off the souls of the entire population (intro to mk3) and it wasn't that they were strong willed.. Raiden protected those souls from being taken... Kinda like ''his team of guardians of earth''... Plus if you read scorpion's bio from Ultimate MK3 it is stated that shao kahn opened a portal into the netherealm as well... And as for johnny cage defeating shinnk? I think you mean lui kang (MK4) in MKA the ''shinnok'' fighting johnny is actually his clone... I beleive he can pretty much rip akuma's soul... In terms of fighting ability akuma's got more... But as far as feats... I'd say shao kahn... Though they are more magical and/or supernatural in nature 🙂

As slow and weak as Kahn is Akuma would kill him before he could react.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
Well the fact that he ripped off the souls of the entire population (intro to mk3) and it wasn't that they were strong willed.. Raiden protected those souls from being taken... Kinda like ''his team of guardians of earth''...

There where souls of evil people that where not under raiden's protection that didn't get ripped dude... Guys like Rain, the Lin Quei, the Red Dragons and a whole mess of others.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
Plus if you read scorpion's bio from Ultimate MK3 it is stated that shao kahn opened a portal into the netherealm as well... And as for johnny cage defeating shinnk? I think you mean lui kang (MK4) in MKA the ''shinnok'' fighting johnny is actually his clone...

*Shrugs* Losing to Kang is just as big a loss.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
I beleive he can pretty much rip akuma's soul... In terms of fighting ability akuma's got more... But as far as feats... I'd say shao kahn... Though they are more magical and/or supernatural in nature 🙂

No dude, it doesn;t matter if they are more magical or supernatural in nature if he still gets his ass canned by mortals with no magical or supernatural powers. Liu Kang kicked his arse twice, and Liu would never defeat Akuma.

Liu kang cannot defeat akuma therefore shoa kahn cannot? Isn't that a>b>c logic? Anyway liu kang's a human, yes.. But he meditates alot and dedicates his life to training making him exceptional.. He beats shinnok because shinnok is a FALLEN elder god and as such is stripped from his powers(defeats the elder gods through an amulet before raiden takes him down)... As far as shao not ripping the souls of the lin kuei, it's mostly because most already have no soul (cybernetic ninjas), furthemore, there were survivors of the soul rip kahn did on earth.. In which kahn also sent extermination squads for... Still, ripping the souls of millions of people is a pretty impressive feat though supernatural in nature, plus kahn's got more battleling experience and more knowledge of dark arts... And power wich is granted to him by the souls he takes... So yeah i see kahn takes this... Not without trouble of course 🙂

Originally posted by Innominate__1
Liu kang cannot defeat akuma therefore shoa kahn cannot? Isn't that a>b>c logic? Anyway liu kang's a human, yes.. But he meditates alot and dedicates his life to training making him exceptional.. He beats shinnok because shinnok is a FALLEN elder god and as such is stripped from his powers(defeats the elder gods through an amulet before raiden takes him down)...

Did I say that? Where? All I said was in response to your position that Cage didnt defeat the real Shinnok, but Kang did, and my reply was that losing to Kang is no better than losing to Cage. You say you use context....

Uhuh, still a god that lost to a mortal, thereby proving that the title of God is just that, a title.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
As far as shao not ripping the souls of the lin kuei, it's mostly because most already have no soul (cybernetic ninjas), furthemore, there were survivors of the soul rip kahn did on earth.. In which kahn also sent extermination squads for...

Funny... Cyrax still has a soul, as does the Cyber Smoke... and not all the Lin Quei had undergone the cyberization proccess at that point, unless your reffering to MK9's alternate timeline.

kahn sending externimantion squads only proves my point, that there where people not affiliated with raiden's protection who resisted the mass soul rape.

Originally posted by Innominate__1
Still, ripping the souls of millions of people is a pretty impressive feat though supernatural in nature, plus kahn's got more battleling experience and more knowledge of dark arts... And power wich is granted to him by the souls he takes... So yeah i see kahn takes this... Not without trouble of course 🙂

*Shakes head* Kahn's soul manip is not a battle power like Shang Tsung's is. he's never done it in mid battle unless the opponent is already defeated, so thats a moot point right there. Battle experience that netted him two losses to Kang... And compare Kang's skills and feats to Akuma, then Akuma is a much more powerful and dangerous foe... Kahn cannot match the powers akuma will be using, including the massive BFR level attacks Akuma can utilise right from the get go, without having to reduce Kahn to a quivering mess first....

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Akuma wins with ease.

Originally posted by stargun
As slow and weak as Kahn is Akuma would kill him before he could react.

Except Kahn isn't slow and weak.

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Except Kahn isn't slow and weak.

Well.... I can't agree that Kahn was slow or weak, especially compared to most fighters..... But in that same token, he ain't as strong or fast as Akuma is either.

I'm just saying, even if that is true, this surely won't be an easy fight for Akuma.

@DSZ Ok the cyber-ninjas can be reprogrammed (Sektor and cyrax either malfunction or go haywire but i do believe in smoke's ending in mk3, that smoke does find his soul, prob. not canon though, and cyrax's soul eventually starts to reassert itself when found by sonya and jacks, and it helps that they give him memories of his past..) The intro to MK3 states that kahn was ripping the souls of everyone on earth realm (it's assumed the lin kuei as well, for the others that werent cyber-ninjas).. Then states he sent his extermination squads on the remaining, still ripped about a billion or so roughly (yours or someone else's point was ''anyone who had ressistance..'' so no, i didn't prove YOUR point did i? Haha... But ok ill let you have this one 🙂 ) when did i call shao kahn a god? I said he fought and defeated one, raiden, and (though just ''a title'' to you) his feats prove he's at least immortal lightning incarnate that has to take on a human form to fight in the MK tournaments.. And like i said shinnok did lose but as a FALLEN elder god (no longer at full power since he spend his time before MK4 in the netherealm) plus when he's defeated by johnny cage it's his clone which is also depowered like himself.. As for lui kang, he's just exceptional.. As a monk he meditates and trains daily and as an mk champ has stunted age, posseses great martial arts skill, determination, agility, as well as elemental powers of his own(is how he defeats goro, kintaro, shang tsung and shao kahn, and a depowered shinnok, that did not have the komidogu in his hands) yet in spite of this, in the entire original mk storyline(canon at that) the winner in MKA is shao kahn (how he got away from onaga and defeated blaze or whatever is beyond me)... So as far as the story goes, all his skills in the black arts and everything else stated as an advantage in his favor must count for something whether being defeated before or not i see as irrelevant but it does Leave us to wonder... If the deadly alliance hadn't killed LK would the result still be the same? crazy... 🙂

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Except Kahn isn't slow and weak.