If you ask me SF is overrated, then I must say, sometimes. This is one of the example.
Shin Bison is a city buster according to some people and he trashed Ryu possibly without much of a problem. Seth has no feats but he pummeled Ryu. Yes. Seth is strong. No doubt about it. But, can Seth bust an island with a mere punches and kicks? Don't tell me these two people have an island busting feat too.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You keep insisting it's canon so provide the proof ala link or anything. You just keep saying Ryu's endings are canon then the proof should be easy.
Read the other thread.
Do your research.
Follow the chain of events.
Do this and you may debate further.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The reason he holds back is because he does it's in character for him to do so. But akuma isn't in this debate so kindly drop it.
The reason he is brought up is because of his fight with Ryu, which is a legitimate wat to guage his strength against a WELL holding back Gouki, who STILL sunk Gokentou with that level of power.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroIf you cannot post the proof then you must concede the point.
Read the other thread.Do your research.
Follow the chain of events.
Do this and you may debate further.
The reason he is brought up is because of his fight with Ryu, which is a legitimate wat to guage his strength against a WELL holding back Gouki, who STILL sunk Gokentou with that level of power.
Akuma isn't ryu so it holds no weight anyways as it hasn't been proven and he only wanted to test Ryu not kill him.
Originally posted by Bro SMASHAlright, this is gettting ridiculous. We had our wave of MK, Tekken, Namco, etc. fanboys before who couldn't handle the fact that Sf is more powerful.
You still didn't provide any conclusive evidence.Either prove that it was a casual punch that he just happen to hit Ryu with or just drop it!
It isn't our job to prove to stubborn or stupid people that the punches Akuma was doing was held back. Akuma hasn't even had any canon fights going all out. Anybody who knows anything about SF should know this. It isn't our fault that people aren't educated on the material. I hate when people ask for someone to "prove" something just to stall time.
It's like someone saying normal Goku wasn't holding back against Vegeta in the fight where he could go SSj3.
Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
If you ask me SF is overrated, then I must say, sometimes. This is one of the example.Shin Bison is a city buster according to some people and he trashed Ryu possibly without much of a problem. Seth has no feats but he pummeled Ryu. Yes. Seth is strong. No doubt about it. [b]But, can Seth bust an island with a mere punches and kicks?
Don't tell me these two people have an island busting feat too. [/B]
No, what the opposition is doing is known as feat skewing. No different than saying that if Superman pummels Brainiac and Flash does it, then Flash has a feat of pummeling islands, it's flawed logic and irrelevant due to the powerset. Everything can be overrated sometimes, and MK and Tekken are no exception. I get tired of people coming in here using the "he's a God excuse", and frankly asking the SF side to provide the same evidence over and over and over again for 6 or 7 years is equally annoying as well. Some things are just known knowledge.
But two can play it at that game, I want all of these other feats "proven" for me.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alright, this is gettting ridiculous. We had our wave of MK, Tekken, Namco, etc. fanboys before who couldn't handle the fact that Sf is more powerful.
yes, those people are just able to deny 'til death canon facts or keep saying that SF are overrated, while overrating their favourite chars, like someone that told that Devil Jin power up in Tekken 5 dark resurrection ending (that just cracked some rocks and raised some dust) into "OMG!!! DEVIL JIN HAS THE POWER TO BLOW UP THE ENTIRE EARTH!!!"
I repeat it: I prefer Fist of the North Star to Dragon Ball Z, and I prefer Batman to Superman, but I've no problem to admit that DBZ verse has stronger chars than Fist of the North Star verse, and that Superman is way stronger than Batman.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you cannot post the proof then you must concede the point.Akuma isn't ryu so it holds no weight anyways as it hasn't been proven and he only wanted to test Ryu not kill him.
If you cannot accept proof, then you must GTFO.
It's not about Akuma specifically Quan, besides, your using A>B>C logic in both threads anyway, why can't we?
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroYou haven't provided proof you have speculated it's proof. If you can't tell the difference between the two I can't help you.
If you cannot accept proof, then you must GTFO.It's not about Akuma specifically Quan, besides, your using A>B>C logic in both threads anyway, why can't we?
I have used direct showings from Shao Kahn in another thread to showcase how he wins or how powerful he is portrayed. You use noncanon endings. That sums it up.
Originally posted by NemeBroLink ?
The ending where Akuma destroys the island is specifically referenced in following games though.What's it like being an intellectual lightweight compared to everyone you meet Quan?
I've noticed both here and in the movie versus section you have become emotional. I hope everything is ok with you.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Alright, this is gettting ridiculous. We had our wave of MK, Tekken, Namco, etc. fanboys before who couldn't handle the fact that Sf is more powerful.It isn't our job to prove to stubborn or stupid people that the punches Akuma was doing was held back. Akuma hasn't even had any canon fights going all out. Anybody who knows anything about SF should know this. It isn't our fault that people aren't educated on the material. I hate when people ask for someone to "prove" something just to stall time.
It's like someone saying normal Goku wasn't holding back against Vegeta in the fight where he could go SSj3.
Except SF really isn't more powerful.
You say it's not your job all because you CAN'T prove it. It's just another way for you to overrate Ryu's durability. I can say that Shang Tsung tried to steal Liu Kang's soul during their fight and couldn't, even though there's no proof stating that. That's just like this situation.
Don't try to make a point you can't prove. If you don't have anything stating that Ryu took a casual punch by Akuma that also happened to be "island-destroying", then don't bring it up. You'd only sound like a fanboy if you do.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You haven't provided proof you have speculated it's proof. If you can't tell the difference between the two I can't help you.
Ok kid, this is where I am going to pummel your Quan logic into the damn ground.
First: How the ever living hell can one "Speculate it's proof"? That entire line makes not a bit of sense.
Second: Nothing I have said in either of these two threads have been assumption, speculation, oppinion or any other ill contrived word you could conjure. Established fact is established fact, and you not researching is not my void to fill, since your the damn OP of this thread.
Third: Your hypocritical use of the term "Proof" has been exposed as a horrid delaying tactic. Not only do you shout it out, but you have the most unrealistic expectations of proof, and then try to play the fools game by not providing a single shred of evidence yourself, and then tell ME that I have to do the legwork for you ad in the same breath claim that "It's all ingame". Meanwhile, you have been shown a video of the ending your trying to snipe and have the gall to tell us that "It's not canon" despite the fact that A: it is needed for the chainof events to continue not only in A2, but in every subsequent sequel of SFer.
Conclusion: you are a biased hypocritical trolling fool who's only aim is to say MK>SFer without so much as a single shred of anything resembling either credible or evidence at all.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I have used direct showings from Shao Kahn in another thread to showcase how he wins or how powerful he is portrayed. You use noncanon endings. That sums it up.
REALLY? So tell me, what makes the stuff you show any more canonically valid than ours Quan?
Oh wait, don't tell me, it's Quan Logic at work again right? So because YOU posted it, it must be valid and to hell with everyone elses evidence?
That settles it then, you and both of your threads can F@*k off then.
I see Heihachi as a great fighter and I truly respect him and how many times he's avoided death, he's actually one of my top 3 favorite Tekken characters but on that note I just can't see him taking Ryu :/... Although from reading everything that's been going on I'm surprised someone hasn't been like "Heihachi would just sidestep the HadouCAN'T and punish him..Ryu can only move two ways ;P" x]
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroA characters ending isn't canon unless it's stated in the game as canon. If Liu Kang wins the tournament that doesn't mean his ending from the previous game is accurate. Until we see the next game and get confirmation of how it ended we simply don't know. The events I have used in another thread are in continuity not just in a specific character's ending just like heihachi's actions are in the gameplay's story mode separate from their own individual endings.
Ok kid, this is where I am going to pummel your Quan logic into the damn ground.First: How the ever living hell can one "Speculate it's proof"? That entire line makes not a bit of sense.
Second: Nothing I have said in either of these two threads have been assumption, speculation, oppinion or any other ill contrived word you could conjure. Established fact is established fact, and you not researching is not my void to fill, since your the damn OP of this thread.
Third: Your hypocritical use of the term "Proof" has been exposed as a horrid delaying tactic. Not only do you shout it out, but you have the most unrealistic expectations of proof, and then try to play the fools game by not providing a single shred of evidence yourself, and then tell ME that I have to do the legwork for you ad in the same breath claim that "It's all ingame". Meanwhile, you have been shown a video of the ending your trying to snipe and have the gall to tell us that "It's not canon" despite the fact that A: it is needed for the chainof events to continue not only in A2, but in every subsequent sequel of SFer.
Conclusion: you are a biased hypocritical trolling fool who's only aim is to say MK>SFer without so much as a single shred of anything resembling either credible or evidence at all.
REALLY? So tell me, what makes the stuff you show any more canonically valid than ours Quan?
Oh wait, don't tell me, it's Quan Logic at work again right? So because YOU posted it, it must be valid and to hell with everyone elses evidence?
That settles it then, you and both of your threads can F@*k off then.
It's simple I only use events that have occurred not certain endings I really want to argue for. In both tekken and mk the story mode is canon and that which the game previously establishes as canon.
This isn't hard to understand or so I thought.
Originally posted by quanchi112
A characters ending isn't canon unless it's stated in the game as canon. If Liu Kang wins the tournament that doesn't mean his ending from the previous game is accurate. Until we see the next game and get confirmation of how it ended we simply don't know. The events I have used in another thread are in continuity not just in a specific character's ending just like heihachi's actions are in the gameplay's story mode separate from their own individual endings.
We just got through telling you that SFers chain of events require that event to be canon in order for the story to progress, your simply a raging fool if you cannot understand this.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It's simple I only use events that have occurred not certain endings I really want to argue for. In both tekken and mk the story mode is canon and that which the game previously establishes as canon.
Kinda hard to compare then, since SFer does not HAVE an adventure mode, the entire story is derived from intros and endings. It's not my problem you can't sort whats canon and non-canon, and you simply want to cherrypick what suits your argument.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't hard to understand or so I thought.
Like I said, SFer does not have an adventure mode, conquest mode story mode or any other mode that tells the story except arcade mode. Don;t like it, then don't debate it! Now, that is simple.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThat isn't proof though if a current street fighter hasn't recongized it just like Liu Kang's endings aren't necessarily canon despite him winning the first 4 tournaments.
We just got through telling you that SFers chain of events require that event to be canon in order for the story to progress, your simply a raging fool if you cannot understand this.Kinda hard to compare then, since SFer does not HAVE an adventure mode, the entire story is derived from intros and endings. It's not my problem you can't sort whats canon and non-canon, and you simply want to cherrypick what suits your argument.
Like I said, SFer does not have an adventure mode, conquest mode story mode or any other mode that tells the story except arcade mode. Don;t like it, then don't debate it! Now, that is simple.
I believe the intros are canon but the endings are not because they aren't all beating seth. It is a different sort of game and street fighter from my experience doesn't do a great job of establishing what is canon and what isn't.
I will debate it despite not liking it but this doesn't make all street fighter endings canon and if you want to argue it's based off of their abilities because it's a possible outcome then the same has to be said of all mk or tekken endings as well.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That isn't proof though if a current street fighter hasn't recongized it just like Liu Kang's endings aren't necessarily canon despite him winning the first 4 tournaments.
What the living blue hell are you on about now? Not recognised? That one event sparked off Ryu's journey to discover the truth about Satsui No Hadou within himself, which has been his primary story arc throughout the series, including the current SF4... This one event in A2, his fight with Gouki, thats how he discovered what happened during the fight with Sagat. Gouki's demonstration of the Satsui No Hadou's potential is what caused him to question his path, and lead to him losing later matches in the same game to Ken and Sagat.
Geez, the very fact that I have to BABYSTEP you through this is attrocious Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I believe the intros are canon but the endings are not because they aren't all beating seth. It is a different sort of game and street fighter from my experience doesn't do a great job of establishing what is canon and what isn't.
True, but you picking and choosing what is conveniant despite being told what the actual chain of events are is despicable on your part Quan.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I will debate it despite not liking it but this doesn't make all street fighter endings canon and if you want to argue it's based off of their abilities because it's a possible outcome then the same has to be said of all mk or tekken endings as well.
I never said all endings are canon... Name me ione time I have said as such please.
And while your at it do some goddamn research on Street fighters plot if you EVER plan on debating it. otherwise kindly leave it alone, as ignorance is no excuse for what you did.
Originally posted by NemeBroNobody directly.
C-Master called someone stupid.Huh. Never seen him insult in a thread before.
I'm scared. ._.
You must have never read my profile. I used to get into it quite a bit back in the day, ask Darkstorm.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Except SF really isn't more powerful.You say it's not your job all because you CAN'T prove it. It's just another way for you to overrate Ryu's durability. I can say that Shang Tsung tried to steal Liu Kang's soul during their fight and couldn't, even though there's no proof stating that. That's just like this situation.
Don't try to make a point you can't prove. If you don't have anything stating that Ryu took a casual punch by Akuma that also happened to be "island-destroying", then don't bring it up. You'd only sound like a fanboy if you do.
Not at all, because there are different types of damage. There's blunt, piercing, slashing, energy, etc.
Ryu has taken hits from all types of damage from high end characters and has been fine. Akuma wasn't in his Shin form but he only fights those who are worthy and he doesn't hit that lightly. They are rivals of sorts after all. It's not like people throw islands at each other in the game. But was the punch Akuma did casual? Yes, and unless you can find something to go against the canon source material (you can't) then you have no point. SF characters are on average more powerful. Don't be a fanboy. What have they done in canon that could surpass regular Akuma? Much less Shin or Oni?
Don't debate characters you're ignorant about.